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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2018, 01:14:39 pm »

... he's getting positive results -- especially in the economy -- that we haven't seen since Reagan...

Huh?  ???

Simple googling, and I hope the titles are self explanatory:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/fed-emphasizes-solid-us-economic-growth-repeats-gradual-approach.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-roars-into-the-fast-lane-but-some-scratches-are-starting-to-show-2018-07-14

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/us-economy-great-china-not-192648932.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2018-07-12/fed-chair-powell-says-economy-in-good-place-at-moment

And a quote from a Financial Times article (bold mine):

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Jay Powell has given an upbeat assessment of the economy, predicting that tax cuts and spending increases could deliver a “significant” boost to the economy for at least the next three years.

FT article here: https://www.ft.com/content/8242652c-8607-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d

So... while you guys are playing with dolls and balloons... and engaging in other infantile activities...

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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2018, 01:28:24 pm »

Simple googling, and I hope the titles are self explanatory:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/13/fed-emphasizes-solid-us-economic-growth-repeats-gradual-approach.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-roars-into-the-fast-lane-but-some-scratches-are-starting-to-show-2018-07-14

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/us-economy-great-china-not-192648932.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2018-07-12/fed-chair-powell-says-economy-in-good-place-at-moment

And a quote from a Financial Times article (bold mine):

FT article here: https://www.ft.com/content/8242652c-8607-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d

So... while you guys are playing with dolls and balloons...

Oh, I'm not questioning that the economy seems to be humming along nicely.  Rather, I'm wondering what it is that makes Trumpers continually exaggerate, prevaricate and, well, just plain lie, about things that would be fine on the surface, but for some reason have to be made "the best" or "the biggest ever" or whatever other fish tale is being spun today.  Yeah, the economy is fine right now.  But we're not seeing much that's "the best ever since Reagan" unless you want to talk about figures that are clear extensions of trends from the previous administration.  The economy remains in fine shape today.  It was fine the last several years under Obama, too.

That last FT link is interesting, by the way.  How long do you think it would take me to find folks on this very forum who support Trump complaining about Obama deficits back in the day?  :)

And I'm not playing with balloons or dolls at the moment - I promised the wife I'd clean the house.  I'm starting with the toilets ;)

https://www.etsy.com/listing/605577936/trump-toilet-brush-make-toilet-great?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_c-home_and_living-bathroom-bathroom_decor&utm_custom1=041963da-969e-4958-a9bd-09550404e239&gclid=Cj0KCQjwvqbaBRCOARIsAD9s1XAvTPsKmqATyVkeFAIX34NjiGoMm72lvsdbrMlSUdzSP77G96hR--8aAqEsEALw_wcB
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2018, 01:33:47 pm »

They would have been more constructive protesting against Brexit

No, that would have been just as futile.

I make no point about whether Trump is a Good or a Bad Thing, or whether his effect on the economy (of the US or of anywhere else) has been malign or beneficial. My only point is that hanging around on street corners in Manchester, when Trump isn't coming within a hundred miles of the place, produces nothing but warm glows of smug self-satisfaction.

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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2018, 01:47:19 pm »

Any self-satisfaction belongs to London, of course, as the proposed state visit was reduced to a couple of out-of-town palaces.
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2018, 02:24:31 pm »

I make no point about whether Trump is a Good or a Bad Thing, or whether his effect on the economy (of the US or of anywhere else) has been malign or beneficial. My only point is that hanging around on street corners in Manchester, when Trump isn't coming within a hundred miles of the place, produces nothing but warm glows of smug self-satisfaction.

That's probably the way Trump felt about his Sun interview. I guess we'll see if his comments further poleaxe the beleaguered May, or if he's managed to pique enough Brits to balance it out.
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2018, 03:16:29 pm »

I read a thread like this one and have to laugh when I realize the people who are complaining because Trump is shooting off his mouth are the ones who are posting the kind of stuff I see in this thread. They make Trump seem positively quiet and subdued.
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2018, 05:20:46 pm »

That last FT link is interesting, by the way.  How long do you think it would take me to find folks on this very forum who support Trump complaining about Obama deficits back in the day?  :)

"As you know, we've inherited quite a budget crisis from President Trump," President Simpson told her first meeting of economic advisers in the Oval Office.
"How bad is it, Secretary (Milhouse) Van Houten?"

"We're broke."
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2018, 05:21:27 pm »

I dissagre...as discussed in The Conversation article:

As long as the protests remain peaceful and without violence, protests can indeed bring about change–even if the the change is difficult and slow to occur. Sorry, I'm an old hippy that was a Viet Nam war protester (never got busted and never engaged in violence) but it was the people who forced the United States to bring an end to that war.

Also from The Conversation website (and by the same aesthetics of protest group) is this article:

From billboards to Twitter, why the aesthetics of protest matters more today

Are you saying resistance is futile?


The "people"?

And all the while I thought it was the spirit of the indefatigable Viets and the sight of body bags coming home that turned political stomachs.

You also seem to have overlooked the resistance, the strength that's drawn from pure bloody hatred of those alien people in your country killing you and yours without word or possibility of word of explanation. Check out Afghanistan, Iraq etc. and tell me the effect student protest has had.

Personally, I think the whole youth protest thing had very little importance to governmental thinking which I would imagine was fixated on other things than pot-happy students. As with the soporific effect of national sports, allowing people to get stoned is a good way of keeping them occupied and reasonably docile whilst you get on with whatever you had in mind when running for political power. Seems a good reads for legalising drugs these days...

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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2018, 07:45:14 pm »

The troll is only $25.

Plenty of trolls here, for free ;)

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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2018, 08:32:12 pm »

Plenty of trolls here, for free ;)

Don't undervalue yourself, Slobo - I hear the Russians are paying reasonably well these days :-)
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2018, 08:39:54 pm »

No, that would have been just as futile.

I make no point about whether Trump is a Good or a Bad Thing, or whether his effect on the economy (of the US or of anywhere else) has been malign or beneficial. My only point is that hanging around on street corners in Manchester, when Trump isn't coming within a hundred miles of the place, produces nothing but warm glows of smug self-satisfaction.


I think you're quite wrong here.

It's about community and about showing support.  If nothing else, you've posted about it and brought that little protest to the attention of hundreds of people around the world - I doubt you're the only one to have commented.  In a connected world, everywhere can be next door and everyone your neighbour.

So while Trump accuses newspapers of telling lies even though they have the recording of him saying what they've quoted him as saying, the truth of the feelings of a wider community is easily conveyed and it resonates.  And when it's seen to be part of many protests and comments it forms part of a whole that is certainly large enough to make a difference.  Not to Trump - on that you're right.  He's sociopathic in many ways (I don't know if he's actually got antisocial personality disorder, but he shares a lot of the same traits).  So he doesn't care.  He only cares about himself (he's definitely a narcissist) and everything he does is for his own personal agenda of making him "the best" in his eyes.

But it does matter to other people, including people in his own political party, and even some of the people who voted for him (sure, there are those who will never vote for anyone other than whoever their party's candidate is no matter what and will defend them to the death pretty much - there are several in this forum).  This is true of all sides of politics.  The key, though, is those who are not extreme in their views, who are at least somewhat open about their politicial stands and who may choose to vote differently as a result.  It matters when enough people in his party start to speak against him.  It all adds weight.

Sure, it also makes people feel good.  What's so bad about that?
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Re: Get the Tee Shirt! (Trump Baby Blimp)
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2018, 09:05:50 pm »

Some Brits have had that commie streak for quite some time. The Cambridge Five.

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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2018, 11:11:48 pm »

It's usually risky assigning blame or kudos to the sitting authority when the economy is good or bad, not that it stops anyone. I was listening to a recent episode of the Indicator NPR podcast, whose subject was the jobless numbers statistics. US job creation was very good recently, 250,000 new jobs (forget which month), which is good, and job creation has been near 200,000 every month for the past 8 years. Economists are surprised because a job recovery has never lasted this long. No matter how good a job anyone thinks Trump is doing, it's difficult to imagine that his policies helped the economy for the 6 years preceding his election.

The podcast went on with some other interesting observations. The job recovery has NOT happened at the same time as wage recovery, which is stagnant, and in fact, below the current inflation rate for the last year. This is not good, for wage earners anyway.

Another point made was that the gig economy (Uber, AirB&B, etc.) has not had a major impact on permanent job growth. However, significant numbers of people are finding 2nd jobs with those companies. This may be part of a longer term trend. Middle class wages have been stagnant since the 1980s, which has meant that increasingly both husband and wife had to work to maintain the family lifestyle. I speculate that what might be happening now is that those same people might also need to take on 2nd jobs to maintain their lifestyle, and part of the reason for that is stagnant wage growth. It's difficult to be definitive about this since so much of people's lives have changed in that time, so that comparing lives now to lives in the 1950s is a little like comparing apples to oranges, but still if you have to work ever increasing hours to live your life, that's a bit of a reversal of historical trends.

One other thing they referred to was the odd timing of the tax cuts brought in by Trump. It's unusual to introduce economic stimulus when the economy is doing well. Up till now that was contra-indicated. The usual routine is to stimulate when things are slow, no need to do so when things are improving all on their own. Economists are watching this with interest, kind of a real-time experiment. But you wonder what Trump will do when the economy heads south again, if he's already used up some stimulus room.

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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2018, 11:16:03 pm »

Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing. As I walked through Manchester city centre yesterday, there was a crowd of 100 or so people in Albert Square being harangued by a Scottish woman claiming that he was too afraid of them to come to Manchester. They cheered her. And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are. He doesn't know about your silly little self-indulgent gathering and he wouldn't give a damn if he did.

Jeremy

Just saw this posting, so this response may be out of sequence. It's probably wrong to assign too much importance to this kind of public demonstration, but I don't agree with your casual dismissal. If these kinds of protests really were worthless, no one would pay them any attention, and authorities all over the world would not have expanded so much energy in thwarting popular protests over the years, and freedom of assembly would not be considered so important.
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2018, 03:35:06 am »

And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are.

Interesting train of thought there, Jeremy.
I could understand 'futile' , but self-important, smug, arrogant .. in response to an innocuous gathering ?
Better suited as an epithet on an 'arch-Leaver' Parliamentarian's Curriculum Vitae*

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*off-topic and Brexit related.
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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2018, 05:17:58 am »

Maybe the protest on such is of no influence, but how it is in the media....

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2018, 07:17:29 am »

Some from Scotland.

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2018, 07:38:55 am »

Jeff, it's infantile, feel-good protest that achieves nothing. As I walked through Manchester city centre yesterday, there was a crowd of 100 or so people in Albert Square being harangued by a Scottish woman claiming that he was too afraid of them to come to Manchester. They cheered her. And I thought, what a self-important, smug, arrogant bunch you are. He doesn't know about your silly little self-indulgent gathering and he wouldn't give a damn if he did.

Jeremy


For my penny, you have it exactly right.

Apart from the poor woman wasting her fifteen minutes in that manner, why in hell would anyone on a transatlantic trip want to waste taxpayer dollars going there?

People of great independent wealth - even many of much lower wealth - don't, for a nanosecond, consider or care what the rabble-rouser element thinks.

Politicians depend on their own, deeply embedded local heroes to do the heavy lifting whilst they do the public relations number in the eye of world media.

By and large, Brit (if Scot lady admits to that) opinion matters little to nothing at all on the international scene. A great power has decided to weaken its own power within its immediate neighbourhood, Europe, so how the hell would that poor, dementer lady in Manchester think she "makes a difference", to use a contemporary bleat of self-importance, within an even wider world that smiles at the UK as at some six-year-old who wants to be an engine driver when he grows up?

Fiddles, fires.

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2018, 07:48:42 am »

Looking at the evidence in the snaps from James Clark and stamper, you must conclude that Mr T has indeed been good for business, all over the world! None of that crap would have been manufactured without him.

There is almost always a positive side.

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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2018, 08:29:37 am »

Do the bleats of self importance here on LuLa make a difference?

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