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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 07:12:49 PM »

Thank you! Judging by the histograms are the shadows in the second version usable? I think the idea of using histograms is great specially with the variety of monitors out there. I wanted to insinuate the surroundings but you say they are very dark on your monitor, can you still see the background in the second version?

I should have been more clear. I can see most of the shadow detail in the second one. By comparison, there are larger areas in the first version where detail is lost, especially if I use the "printing" calibration on my monitor. Both are still very dark (your brightest highlights don't reach half way through the histogram), but that's obviously an artistic choice.

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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 07:52:41 PM »

The environment/background is a little too dark for me.  The second provides more context of where the man is. I would also lighten him ever so slightly.   Nice shot.

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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 08:24:53 PM »

I love most of #1 on my iPad and TV but prefer the central figure in #2. So I've lightened the figure just a touch…what do you think?

BTW, I think it's a terrific photo.

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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 11:33:41 PM »

I'm working with a calibrated monitor; actually with two calibrated monitors. I really need to look at the pictures in a darker environment than the one I usually work in, but the second picture seems to have enough detail. Slobodan's right. It's a Caravaggio, though Caravaggio's highlights were brighter. You might want to try bending the curve a bit to bring up the highlights without raising the lows. In any case, it's fine work.

Thanks! So the highlights could still get a boost and not affect the overall ratio of the image.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 11:35:46 PM »

Andres, you should be a painter. Maybe you are already...

Rob

Thank you sir! I do love art and visit them as much as I canon my trips and locally.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 11:37:41 PM »

On my really dark "for print" screen the 1st really is very dark, I can hardly see what is there. The 2nd is pretty brownish in the background, don't know whether this is what was wanted.

Thank you! This worries me since the purpose of the photos of this trip is to make a coffee table book for my house. The color grading was very warm intentionally.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 11:38:46 PM »

I must say, +1 to what Rob C said. I prefer the second, but my screen is uncalibrated so your mileage will vary. I also agree wholeheartedly with Martin on the brave part. Very well done Andres!!!

Thanks! I am trying different color palettes and light ratios.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 11:40:48 PM »

I see less Caravaggio and more Rembrandt in the way the figure melts out of the darkness, but in either case, it's an utterly fascinating imaging job.  Bravo.

Edit - I want to like the first one better, but there's just not quite enough detail in the shadows for me.  Almost though.

Thanks! I heard that quite a bit! I love the mood of the first one but I can tell what exactly is in the background.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 11:44:33 PM »

On my iPad earlier, it was the first. On my desktop (calibrated for printing), it is the second. iPad screens are great for web viewing though, so depending on the destination, you might want to use both versions.

On my iPad, the second version looks like a pea soup (the background), murky and featureless, forcing the eye to wander around looking for something, anything of value to see, thus distracting from the main point of interest.

Thank you, oh so the warm color came out as pea soup? That would be more of a greenish tint? The final output would be a book, I would need to match as close as possible the output of their printing machines.On my monitor the first one looked fine but I think it would be too dark for printing.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 11:46:29 PM »

On my uncalibrated laptop, I see the same as your iPad, and on my calibrated desktop the second works better for me as well.   This is one of the more display-dependent images I think I've come across, and I bet it would give a printer fits. :)

Thanks, I am getting the feeling that for a printed book the second one may work better, a bit worried about the color perspectives.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2018, 11:50:28 PM »

I love most of #1 on my iPad and TV but prefer the central figure in #2. So I've lightened the figure just a touch…what do you think?

BTW, I think it's a terrific photo.

-Dave-

Thank you!! Now I am starting to go back and forth with the images a lot , I would love for the other photographers to look at this version with fresh eyes. What do you guys think?
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2018, 08:27:59 AM »

Thank you! This worries me since the purpose of the photos of this trip is to make a coffee table book for my house. The color grading was very warm intentionally.

There is a reason that many photographers use a different setting when 'soft-proofing' for print, often reducing monitor brightness to the 80-110 cd/m² range, depending on printer and paper. I would strongly suggest printing a small book-sample including this image before you commit to a larger project. Make sure your sample is on the paper you will choose in the end. I don't have a lot of experience with book printing, but I recently pulled the trigger on a 100+ page coffee-table book with Blurb (just for myself). I 'soft-proofed' all my images, and needed to make some changes to many of them (increased overall brightness and more shadow detail mostly, contrast boost on some). I was very pleased with the results overall. On a few images the Blurb printing of very bright reds went out of gamut and I lost some of the subtle colour variations. On a few others, the shadows blocked up more than I expected they might (this is in comparison to prints from my Epson).

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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2018, 12:07:52 PM »

There is a reason that many photographers use a different setting when 'soft-proofing' for print, often reducing monitor brightness to the 80-110 cd/m² range, depending on printer and paper. I would strongly suggest printing a small book-sample including this image before you commit to a larger project. Make sure your sample is on the paper you will choose in the end. I don't have a lot of experience with book printing, but I recently pulled the trigger on a 100+ page coffee-table book with Blurb (just for myself). I 'soft-proofed' all my images, and needed to make some changes to many of them (increased overall brightness and more shadow detail mostly, contrast boost on some). I was very pleased with the results overall. On a few images the Blurb printing of very bright reds went out of gamut and I lost some of the subtle colour variations. On a few others, the shadows blocked up more than I expected they might (this is in comparison to prints from my Epson).

This is great to know since Blurb is the only company I have found to be very consistent with its product. It has been a while but I will check their new specs. The monitor to print book is very interesting and challenging.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2018, 01:08:59 PM »

It's a good suggestion to "hard proof" some critical images like this before jumping right into the "big thing". Such dark tones are a challenge, I wouldn't rely on "soft proofs" here. Also consider the viewing circumstances of the actual coffee table book.  I bet nobody will look at it unter controlled D50 light or something. Or under a real bright light that might show the last detail in the shadow. Rather one would be sitting in a comfy chair with a dim, warm light ... but perhaps you considered all that, just thinking aloud. ;-)
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2018, 12:17:11 PM »

I agree with Slobodan as to classical dark's in the shadows and while I like the second one from a perspective of the figure being brighter, I am not sure I like the BG brighter as well.

Perhaps an expanded mid-tone correction on the figure and leaving the BG dark as in the first rendition.
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Re: The Wanderer, which version?
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2018, 12:18:15 PM »

My edit didn't translate nearly so well as I had hoped but the idea is there, anyway  ;D
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