Photo of caged children

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

“Fundamentally different” with the same result: caged children. There is a term for that: “same difference.”

[RSL]

Hence we do not want your indeed problematic experience repeated here.

Exactly, Slobodan. And we see the problem all over the place. Here in the U.S. we watch people who leave California because of the wretched Socialist stuff that's happening there (check the streets of San Francisco), and then come to places like Colorado and continue to push the same left-wing policy errors that brought on what they're escaping (we call that Californicating Colorado). It happens in Europe with people from the Middle East, and it happens here.

[digitaldog]

“Fundamentally different” with the same result: caged children. There is a term for that: “same difference.”

You've proven with that idea, and the time it took you to post it, you didn't read the article. Sad but expected of those not only without compassion but close minded as well.


Obama’s immigration policy specifically sought to avoid breaking up families. While some children were separated from their parents under Obama, this was relatively rare, and occurred at a far lower rate than under Trump, where the practice flows from a zero tolerance approach to illegal border-crossings.

[RSL]

“Fundamentally different” with the same result: caged children. There is a term for that: “same difference.”

Ah yes, "caged children," a term used by leftists to make temporary confinement for the protection of those confined sound like something it isn't.

[digitaldog]

Ah yes, "caged children," a term used by leftists to make temporary confinement for the protection of those confined sound like something it isn't.

The Alex Jones Channel (the leftist) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSnfmJayJ8
President Obama Caught Putting Children In Cages Who Cross Border Illegally

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

You've proven with that idea, and the time it took you to post it, you didn't read the article. Sad but expected of those not only without compassion but close minded as well...

Those simpletonistic ideas are not difficult to grasp, even without reading, as they’ve been around in other articles. Nothing new.

What you are basically arguing is that caging 1000 children is ok, but 2000 isn’t.

[RSL]

The Alex Jones Channel (the leftist) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSnfmJayJ8
President Obama Caught Putting Children In Cages Who Cross Border Illegally

That probably would mean something to me if I'd ever watched You Tube, Andrew, but I'm talking about Jeremy's choice of title.

[digitaldog]

Those simpletonistic ideas are not difficult to grasp, even without reading, as they’ve been around in other articles. Nothing new.

Ah yes, all those other articles you didn't read; nothing new.

What you are basically arguing is that caging 1000 children is ok, but 2000 isn’t.

Yes, that and so much more. But your inability to read that of others and utter lack of compassion already proven multiple times here provides evidence that we will get nowhere in this thread, much like the one on climate change.
The difference at least in this post and the two sides is one side provides outside reference with the idea/desire the other side will read and comment (agree/disagree and why). One side has compassion for yes, that additional 1000 children Trump has caged in just two months! One side understands the intent of Obama and the intent of Trump and the results of that intent. I don't expect you to understand any of what I've written or expect that you even read it. Hopefully others will and attempt to engage in what this silly forum is intended for but rarely produces.

[digitaldog]

That probably would mean something to me if I'd ever watched You Tube, Andrew, but I'm talking about Jeremy's choice of title.

So you have no idea who Alex Jones is, that he's a leftist* by your own inability to look up who he is without the use of YouTube. I see, like Slobodan, the idea of engaging in a conversation here, with the idea of expressing differing opinions formed by outside references is of no use; you've made up your mind and it's always correct. Further, anyone who doesn't think as you do, is some wretched Socialist Californicating Colorado.
 
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Ah yes, "caged children," a term used by leftists to make temporary confinement for the protection of those confined sound like something it isn't.

No, it isn't. I've provided evidence why!

[Alan Klein]

It's more than a "suggestion," Jeremy: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/may/29/donald-trump/trump-correctly-tweets-democrats-mistakenly-tweete/

Jeremy, I really should add that that's just one of many. What you're seeing is a huge push from the left to lay this on Trump's shoulders. From what I read in less biased sources like the Wall Street Journal, Trump's doing his best to get this fixed, but his fixes are being resisted by Democrats who want to be able to keep up the misinformation and the pressure.

Don't confuse us with facts.  We'd rather believe the propaganda. 

[Alan Klein]

How Clinton used to snatch kids from parents' or relatives' arms:

Another guy who wants to bore us with facts.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Ah, Andrew, the famous “intent” argument! Just remember that  “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” That Obama’s more lenient policy was the cause of the surge in minors and families crossings that now need to be handled less leniently.

[Alan Klein]

Here is a link to John Moore photographs of the southern border:  https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/06/on-the-border-with-photographer-john-moore/563282/  It's a balanced representation even though his best known image is the one that went viral of the young child crying out for his parent.  Don't prejudge this, just take a look.

Picture #17 seems like a setup by the photographer. 

[Alan Klein]

Senator Cruz plan to hold families together to two weeks during which a determination will be made to allow them to stay or be returned to their home country seems reasonable. 

[Alan Goldhammer]

Overlooked in this whole discussion is the adverse impact all this enforcement will have on the economy.  ICE agents raided a meat packing plant in Ohio and arrested 146 workers who were here illegally.  In Maryland only to crab meat processing companies are open for business right now because there are not enough guest worker visas (industry largely relies on Mexican labor for the six months the plants are open; it's temp work).  I've seen reports about soon to be problems a number of norther states because temporary farm labor will be in short supply.  Most all slaughter house and food processing plants rely on first generation foreign labor; some cases temporary labor.  Do not forget that even if someone is here illegally they are likely contributing to the economy and paying taxes of one kind or another.  I don't know what it's like in other regions of the country but almost all lawn and garden care workers here are Hispanic as are many of the handymen who do painting and drywall work.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Overlooked in this whole discussion is the adverse impact all this enforcement will have on the economy....

Yes, terrible... wages for American citizens would have to go up.

[digitaldog]

Senator Cruz plan to hold families together to two weeks during which a determination will be made to allow them to stay or be returned to their home country seems reasonable.

What Trump calls “catch and release”, think he will sign Teds bill?
Does seem reasonable to me too; we agree! That is comforting.
Is what Ted proposed different than what we had prior to Trump/Session did in April? I haven’t read Teds bill so it is a legitimate question to anyone who ACTUALLY did read it.

[digitaldog]

Yes, terrible... wages for American citizens would have to go up.

Like all those jobs picking fruits and vegetables so many Americans are fighting each other to do, as one example of jobs American citizens want as work.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Yes, terrible... wages for American citizens would have to go up.

Show me the long lines of Americans who are looking for these jobs.  Certainly the lawn care and handyman markets are highly competitive in our region yet why is it that we see so few white or black Americans in these jobs.  Heavy construction from what I've observed is a little more balanced but still lots of Hispanics.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

To put things into perspective (bold mine):

It doesn’t look like all families apprehended by Border Patrol get separated — or even most of them. According to Border Patrol statistics, 9,485 migrants were apprehended in “family units” in May 2018 — 306 a day — while the CBP statistics on family separations suggest that 93 people were separated from their children or parents a day after the zero-tolerance directive went into effect.

Source: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents