Classic Left-Wing Logic

[RSL]

Every time you flush one of our new government-dictated low-flush toilets you save water. When you flush it three times to clear it, just THINK of all the water you're saving.

[LesPalenik]

With Amazon, you'll save even more.

https://www.amazon.ca/BQLZR-Portable-Urinal-Bottle-Collector/dp/B01CI0GM38

And you can use the content of the bottle as a lawn or garden fertilizer. Recent scientific studies have shown urine is a safe and very effective fertilizer for cabbage, beets, cucumbers, and tomatoes, and pretty much anything else you want to grow. Urine boasts a nitrogen-phosphorus-potassium (N-P-K) ratio of 10:1:4, plus more modest amounts of the trace elements plants need to thrive.

[RSL]

Great stuff, Les. And from what my nose told me, in the early fifties the Koreans understood all that.

[Chairman Bill]

Hilarious. Not sure how it's left-wing logic. I'm guessing that anything Russ doesn't like/agree with is left-wing.

BTW, we've had these for years here in Europe. They have two settings; one fully empties the water cistern & is perfect for clearing away solid waste, the other uses less water & is ideal for clearing urine. But that's us socialist lizard-alien commie nazis in Eurostan, so just ignore us.

[KLaban]

Hey, Russ needs a huge flush 'cause he's so full of it.

;-)

[Farmer]

Australia invented dual flush systems - one with a low for number 1, and with a normal for number 2.  They're legally required here - you can't install a single flush system.

Of course, the generaly design and mechanism of non-US toilets is also a little different (and I think better, overall), but you don't have to flush multiple times - you just choose the appropriate level and conserve water in the process.

http://archive.maas.museum/australia_innovates/index4dd3.html?behaviour=view_article&Section_id=1040&article_id=10044

32,000l of water a year per average household saved and thanks to an immigrant and some government assistance - don't tell Trump.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

That thing has always puzzled me. Isn’t saving the water actually detrimental to the environment? I mean, a more concentrated sewage is entering rivers and oceans, no?

[Rob C]

One of my loos has a dual system and the other loo is of the old, traditional and reliable type. It works perfectly.

The two-choice mother wastes a lot of water. I have been driven to a nervous state now where, every time I flush the thing, one half of the switch or the other, I end up having to wait until everything goes silent just to confirm the device has not jammed, as was it's wont, and which, undetected, ran through hours of wasted water in a land where water is both expensive and scarce.

Like I say, things often improve without getting any the better.

Rob

[JoeKitchen]

When the Comcast Center in Philly was going up, the original idea was to install waterless urinals, saving on both water and raw materials in the plumbing.  Then the pipe fitters union protested.

So it was built with waterless urinals, and all the plumbing as if it was not waterless.  So more then a million dollars of plumbing was installed that sits ideal and is never actually used. 

That's waste for you. 

[Two23]

My favorite:

https://www.ebay.com/i/332499095699?chn=ps

Wonder if you have to give it a shake when you're done?


Kent in SD

[Rob C]

That thing has always puzzled me. Isn’t saving the water actually detrimental to the environment? I mean, a more concentrated sewage is entering rivers and oceans, no?

No, our turds go to a sewage farm (or plant, if you prefer) where they get distilled and often give off amazing, breathtaking gasses that get right into your car as you drive past. I think that from there they go into the environment at a standard level of concentration or alteration, shall we say. That poor old sea... you'd think it suffered enough from the flushing yachts!

As expected, the offensive escapes of gas were always worse in the tourist summer season; however, the recent rise in mass cycle-freak winter holidays has given rise to a more perennial state off lung destruction. Must be the exercise and steroids.

I sometimes wonder if that means that one is just inhaling gas, or that the gasses also bear germs that can kill one seriously dead. I don't expect that asking the local council will provide an honest answer; it would probably deny the happenings are possible, that no perfumes of Arabia ever escape, ever.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

...That's waste for you. 

Well, not for the union and the plumbing manufacturers 

[Rob C]

When the Comcast Center in Philly was going up, the original idea was to install waterless urinals, saving on both water and raw materials in the plumbing.  Then the pipe fitters union protested.

So it was built with waterless urinals, and all the plumbing as if it was not waterless.  So more then a million dollars of plumbing was installed that sits ideal and is never actually used. 

That's waste for you.

Enjoyed the pun!

How does a dry urinal work? Are they exclusive to art galleries?

[Rob C]

Well, not for the union and the plumbing manufacturers 

I bet the Sopranos had a hand in it!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

The question, Rob, is whether every sewage system in the world goes through those “water reclamation” facilities (a nice euphemism in itself). I doubt.

Actually, the process does not create the smell on a permanent, daily basis. I was once on a tour of such a facility in our neighborhood, passing within a yard from the open pools (Olympic size) where the process takes place. No smell whatsoever. Once the dry matter is extracted, it is stored in huge warehouses. Once a week, they open the door of those warehouses for trucks to pick it up and deliver for agricultural use (fertilizers). That’s (open door) when you can smell it, if the wind direction works against you.

[Rob C]

The question, Rob, is whether every sewage system in the world goes through those “water reclamation” facilities (a nice euphemism in itself). I doubt.

Actually, the process does not create the smell on a permanent, daily basis. I was once on a tour of such a facility in our neighborhood, passing within a yard from the open pools (Olympic size) where the process takes place. No smell whatsoever. Once the dry matter is extracted, it is stored in huge warehouses. Once a week, they open the door of those warehouses for trucks to pick it up and deliver for agricultural use (fertilizers). That’s (open door) when you can smell it, if the wind direction works against you.

I don't see any open pool in this one on the road to Puerto Polensa but it stinks several times a week at least! As I pass it every day, I'm an authority!

There is/was? a massive one, complete with the pools, in Paisley, en route to the airport (called Glasgow Airport, oddly enough); can't recall passing it at unfortunate moments, though. I wonder if the Paisley Buddies feel offended not to have their airport bear their name? Just another instance of a superior economic muscle, I guess.

Now there's an assignment: I must sneak pictures of this local system as if it were an Iranian secret, undeclared location! Perhaps if I'm lucky I will survive to post a snap.

(This damned iPad insists on creating words I have not written; just had to edit this brief post again.)

[Two23]

I sometimes wonder if that means that one is just inhaling gas, or that the gasses also bear germs that can kill one seriously dead. I don't expect that asking the local council will provide an honest answer; it would probably deny the happenings are possible, that no perfumes of Arabia ever escape, ever.

Gasses do not carry pathogens (bacteria in this case.)  Many are anaerobic, meaning they are killed by oxygen.  The fumes themselves are another matter.  Out here in the Midwest there are astonishingly huge concentrations of livestock--principally cattle, pigs, and chickens.  They generate a LOT of poo.  You can't simply pack it into a spreader and go take it out over the fields--it stinks too badly.  What they do is put it all in a man made pit and try to get it to "digest" itself.  The solids are then put into a liquid manure spreader which is essentially a big tank on wheels with little plows on back, and the liquid manure is injected directly into the ground.  Back to the pits.  The concentration of ammonia and H2SO4 is very intense, and extremely hazardous.  It kills farm workers almost every year.  Here's a story:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/28/iowa-father-son-die-manure-pit-fumes/30811157/


Kent in SD

[Redcrown]

A few years ago, when California was having their bad drought, I flew through LAX airport. Went to the toilet with carry-on bag and a big winter coat. The toilets were all auto flushers. Some sort of motion detector.

Toilet flushed as soon as I entered. Flushed again as I stowed my bag and took off my coat. Flushed again when I sat down. Flushed again when I got up. Flushed two more times as I put on my coat and hoisted my bag. I stood outside the stall for a minute and listened to constant flushing from the row of 10 stalls. But I'm sure they were all water saving toilets. It's a left wing state.

[Farmer]

One of my loos has a dual system and the other loo is of the old, traditional and reliable type. It works perfectly.

The two-choice mother wastes a lot of water. I have been driven to a nervous state now where, every time I flush the thing, one half of the switch or the other, I end up having to wait until everything goes silent just to confirm the device has not jammed, as was it's wont, and which, undetected, ran through hours of wasted water in a land where water is both expensive and scarce.

Like a I say, things often improve without getting any the better.

Rob

This is a classic of why data is not the plural anecdote.  You have 2 units, one works and one doesn't.  That the one that doesn't work very well is dual flush is not proof that dual flush systems are less reliable.

As I said, they've been mandatory here for decades.  No problems.  Get a reliable unit :-)

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

What a shitty thread😉