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Peter McLennan

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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »

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Peter McLennan

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2018, 11:05:58 AM »

Your image, Peter?  One picture worth thousands words.

I wish.  One of the most powerful images Iíve ever seen.  And Iím nearly as old as RSL.

Google Images sourced.
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2018, 11:32:52 AM »

I wish.  One of the most powerful images Iíve ever seen.  And Iím nearly as old as RSL.

Google Images sourced.

When Trump sees that picture he will retweet it and relocate all plastic pollution deniers to those plastic islands. As he often says, most people don't know about these things.

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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2018, 11:45:16 AM »

Some facts that old fact denier's who seem like a shoe-in for the next EPA chief will ignore but the rest of us can and should examine.

First, how long it takes for these items to decompose.
Styrofoam cup:   50 years
Baby diaper:       450 years
Plastic bottle:     450 years
Plastic straw:      450 years

And:
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2018, 11:52:44 AM »

Not to worry, when the ice melts we'll have plastic bottle islands for the penguins to live on.

Cheers,

Now I can see that post is sarcasm..... :)

Jim
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2018, 12:12:13 PM »

I'm ROTFL at the predictability of what I see here.

Predictability = pre-judging = prejudice. 
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2018, 12:13:39 PM »

Phil, I'm old enough to have seen this kind of doomsday crap over and over and over. We're still here. We'll probably still be here for a long time to come. A much more serious threat is something like an asteroid strike. But that's not a concern of left-wing politics, so nobody's hiding under the bed because of it.

Russ - even though I don't always agree with you - especially on guns....... I do generally respect your position. 

Seriously though, the posts you have made in this thread seem to indicate we are poles apart.  An asteroid strike is very unlikely in our lifetimes, or that of our children and grandchildren.  Yes the world will end eventually.  Trump, Putin or Kim might decide to start a nuclear war which will certainly put plastic into perspective. 

But in a relatively short time mankind has turned our world into a rubbish dump (garbage to you Americans), and that actually is something you and I can do something about.  If left wing politics is about the environment and right wing is about making a quick buck whatever the environmental impact, then I know which way I'm going....  WTF has it got to do with left and right anyway, are the right wing concerned about asteroid strikes more than the left?  I'm not hiding under the bed, but if you think hiding under a bed will save anyone from an asteroid strike then by all means do.  I'm not frightened by plastic any more than I'm frightened by a person sat near me smoking.  I just don't want to be ingesting plastic or smoke, and I don't see why other living creatures should either.

Fortunately I can safely bet that my life is much more likely to be harmed by plastic in the environment than by somebody with a gun.  I think probably the same applies to your children and their children too.

Jim
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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2018, 12:30:07 PM »

Predictability = pre-judging = prejudice. 
QED

AND the results of his confirmation bias:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2018, 12:30:35 PM »

...Fortunately I can safely bet that my life is much more likely to be harmed by plastic in the environment than by somebody with a gun...

Precisely. Or an asteroid strike.

Plastic pollution is harmful, evident, increasing, and apparently inevitable given the current de-regulatory environment.

An asteroid strike is a vanishingly small possibility and impossible to prevent by any means, let alone regulation.
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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2018, 01:27:01 PM »

Well I think we certainly should pass a law against an asteroid impacting earth. And I think we should make the penalty severe enough that any asteroid would think twice before heading our way.

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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2018, 01:54:39 PM »

No need to pray or pass asteroid laws. According to NASA, no large object is likely to strike the Earth any time in the next several hundred years.
However, in the next decade there is a high probability of killing a lot of marine life and tourism business with the rapidly increasing plastic pollution.
 

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« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2018, 02:37:33 PM »

Well I think we certainly should pass a law against an asteroid impacting earth. And I think we should make the penalty severe enough that any asteroid would think twice before heading our way.

Some cling to the illusion that a Wall solves such issues ...

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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2018, 02:40:36 PM »

Some cling to the illusion that a Wall solves such issues ...

Cheers,
Bart

or dispatching a hundred Tomahawks against it.

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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2018, 02:42:51 PM »

You'd think reading Russ's responses that he is a 13 year old kid enjoying the spotlight, then you see his avatar.... Yikes
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Re: Microplastics in Arctic Ocean
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2018, 02:47:06 PM »

Okay guys, now I've heard a whole string of "Ain't it awfuls." What do you propose to do about it? Specifically? Taking into account the fact that any law passed by our absurd "United Nations" will either excuse China and other high volume dumpers or be ignored by them? Any of you familiar with the effectiveness of the League of Nations during the years leading up to WW II?

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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2018, 02:51:38 PM »

You can start by sending a letter to your governor requesting a ban of plastic bags and other plastic packaging. Rwanda has already done so, the country has banned the use of plastic bags.

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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2018, 02:56:57 PM »

I'm sure that'll stop the whole thing cold, Les.

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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2018, 03:01:32 PM »

Not completely, but it's a good start. One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.
I presume, you already reduced your personal plastic footprint.
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2018, 03:16:38 PM »

Okay guys, now I've heard a whole string of "Ain't it awfuls." What do you propose to do about it? Specifically?
It's rather easy to reduce your plastic consumption and no one should propose we eliminate plastic entirely. There's little reason for anyone other than the impaired and perhaps very old posters from ever needing a plastic straw! You can use glass rather than plastic containers. You can use compostable products and here's a web site that has a number of excellent products (yes, I've purchased many): http://worldcentric.org

Take your own water in plastic bottle?
Use glass or metal container; your health may depend on it!   
Bring your own container for take-out or restaurant doggy-bag.
Pack your lunch in reusable containers and bags.
Use fresh fruits and veggies instead of products that come in single serving cups/bags.
You can actually give a crap about the condition of the planet and those who presumably will occupy it after you're dead and gone!
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2018, 03:22:25 PM »

Not completely, but it's a good start. I presume you are already reducing your personal plastic footprint.

Exactly, not waiting for others to solve your problems, or the problems you cause others, is a good start.

In my country, we are also expanding the system of (money) deposits on plastic bottles and alumin(i)um cans, which helps to increase the amount that is returned for recycling. Free bags with each delivery are no longer allowed, but re-usable bags and containers are encouraged.  The use of Plastic straws being prohibited. We separate our garbage (paper, glass, plastics, chemicals, electronics, vegetable and garden waste, other) before collection. Small steps in the right direction, but a lot more must be done.

Industry is also encouraged to use less packaging if possible. Naming and shaming if need be.

A lot of things can be done to reduce the problem, but totally solving it will be an illusion. There will always be those misfits that ruin it for the others...

Cheers,
Bart
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