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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2018, 07:27:25 pm »

Im fairly certain you too have had the same arguments across a couple of other threads :)

That being said I'm excited for the tail end of this year and the Photokina that will show us all the way, probably will be the most important one of the last few years for the big players.
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2018, 07:59:14 pm »

Im fairly certain you too have had the same arguments across a couple of other threads :)

That being said I'm excited for the tail end of this year and the Photokina that will show us all the way, probably will be the most important one of the last few years for the big players.

Certainly. There is no reason why logic would change over the course of a few weeks. ;)

It just doesn’t make sense to attempt to forecast the strategy of Canikon from the angle of what it would take not to hurt the insecurity of owners of equipment manufacturered by their most fierce competitor i.e Sony). :)

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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2018, 11:55:00 pm »

Certainly. There is no reason why logic would change over the course of a few weeks. ;)

It just doesn’t make sense to attempt to forecast the strategy of Canikon from the angle of what it would take not to hurt the insecurity of owners of equipment manufacturered by their most fierce competitor i.e Sony). :)

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Interesting thoughts, based on industry leaders interviews:

https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/5014039475/cp-2018-interviews-the-reign-of-the-dslr-is-almost-over

Certainly, there will be interesting news leading up to the 2020 Olympics. Nothing to do with the need to defend Sony or insecurity.

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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2018, 02:05:11 am »

https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/5014039475/cp-2018-interviews-the-reign-of-the-dslr-is-almost-over

Certainly, there will be interesting news leading up to the 2020 Olympics. Nothing to do with the need to defend Sony or insecurity.

Indeed.

I don't believe that anyone here is debating the fact that Canon and Nikon are coming way too late to the mirrorless party. The question is how they will start to play.

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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2018, 05:00:16 am »

Indeed.

I don't believe that anyone here is debating the fact that Canon and Nikon are coming way too late to the mirrorless party. The question is how they will start to play.

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IMO it is clear that Canon will enter with a bang, if they introduce a pro-MILC. Their pro-camera needs to be at least as good as their current pro-DSLR, and it needs to convince pros to change. If they need to change mount (which I doubt), they will do it; they did before.

As for Nikon, they seem to be in a worse starting point; now, that comment piece in DPR suggested a very interesting possibility, namely that Nikon could adopt the open-public Sony E mount. That would be interesting!

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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2018, 07:30:58 am »

As for Nikon, they seem to be in a worse starting point; now, that comment piece in DPR suggested a very interesting possibility, namely that Nikon could adopt the open-public Sony E mount. That would be interesting!

This would be very interesting indeed. ;)

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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2018, 08:02:51 am »

IMO it is clear that Canon will enter with a bang, if they introduce a pro-MILC. Their pro-camera needs to be at least as good as their current pro-DSLR,

Not a high bar to set there though... Maybe that's been Canons strategy for the past 8 years- be mediocre so your mirrorless camera can arrive with a bang?
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2018, 08:23:37 am »

Not a high bar to set there though... Maybe that's been Canons strategy for the past 8 years- be mediocre so your mirrorless camera can arrive with a bang?

Could you please stop bashing Canon? ;)

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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2018, 09:53:53 am »

IMO it is clear that Canon will enter with a bang, if they introduce a pro-MILC. Their pro-camera needs to be at least as good as their current pro-DSLR, and it needs to convince pros to change. If they need to change mount (which I doubt), they will do it; they did before.

As for Nikon, they seem to be in a worse starting point; now, that comment piece in DPR suggested a very interesting possibility, namely that Nikon could adopt the open-public Sony E mount. That would be interesting!

The E-mount is open...but I highly doubt it is public. I would think Sony still has control who uses the mount and creates a legal agreement with manufacturers.
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2018, 11:19:22 am »

Not a high bar to set there though... Maybe that's been Canons strategy for the past 8 years- be mediocre so your mirrorless camera can arrive with a bang?

Oh my, all those photographers using mediocre cameras, they must be all wrong...

The only mediocre thing I see around here is your comment, really:

https://www.shutterbug.com/content/get-load-all-camera-gear-canon-has-brought-2018-winter-olympics

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« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2018, 11:35:22 am »

Oh my, all those photographers using mediocre cameras, they must be all wrong...

The only mediocre thing I see around here is your comment, really:

https://www.shutterbug.com/content/get-load-all-camera-gear-canon-has-brought-2018-winter-olympics

And why do you think they need to bring that many replacement units? ;-p
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2018, 04:38:27 am »

And why do you think they need to bring that many replacement units? ;-p

In my simple way if thinking, I would say that it is because:

1. Their camera got hit by a player that was rushing to try and get the ball before it goes out of the field. I see this often in football matches.

2. The cameras and lenses need to be used under harsh conditions, no matter what.

3. Shit happens.

Anyway, if I were a sports pro assigned to such an event, I would be glad I had that kind of support.

It would be interesting to know how many cameras and lenses Canon and Nikon need to provide as replacement units during such large events.

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« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2018, 05:40:00 am »

Perhaps these were also for rental services?
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2018, 08:13:06 am »

Oh my, all those photographers using mediocre cameras, they must be all wrong...

The only mediocre thing I see around here is your comment, really:

https://www.shutterbug.com/content/get-load-all-camera-gear-canon-has-brought-2018-winter-olympics

I think you must be mistaking Luminous Landscapes for Luminous Sports Photographers.

I don't think anyone here can say that Canon have been producing great, market leading cameras since probably the 5dii. FOR LANDSCAPE PHOTOGRAPHERS.

Hence the mediocrity comment.

And I should know... I had to gi through the pain of swapping systems due to it.
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2018, 08:49:21 am »

I think you must be mistaking Luminous Landscapes for Luminous Sports Photographers.

I don't think anyone here can say that Canon have been producing great, market leading cameras since probably the 5dii. FOR LANDSCAPE PHOTOGRAPHERS.

Hence the mediocrity comment.

And I should know... I had to gi through the pain of swapping systems due to it.

I agree with you. I shoot landscape and travel and I looked elsewhere away from Canon as Canon did not have anything competative for me. I don't need the big, bulky, heavy gear we always see when we talk about Canon.
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2018, 10:05:21 am »

I think you must be mistaking Luminous Landscapes for Luminous Sports Photographers.

I don't think anyone here can say that Canon have been producing great, market leading cameras since probably the 5dii. FOR LANDSCAPE PHOTOGRAPHERS.

Hence the mediocrity comment.

And I should know... I had to gi through the pain of swapping systems due to it.

Well, it only takes a couple of minutes to browse the following link:

https://www.canon.co.uk/pro/stories/

As you can see, Canon cameras are used in all genres of photography. Saying that Current Canon cameras are mediocre for landscape photography is a misguided comment, to say the least...

Even Salgado used a Canon 6D with a 40mm pancake for some of his work in the Genesis project.

You can also check some of the photos that Vieri Bottazzini has posted in the Landscape forum, taken with Canon gear.

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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2018, 11:01:57 am »

You can also check some of the photos that Vieri Bottazzini has posted in the Landscape forum, taken with Canon gear.

Which ones would that be?
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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2018, 11:54:13 am »

Which ones would that be?

I remember some of his Tuscanny/Apenines photos, but I am not going to do the work for you:)

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« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2018, 12:04:34 pm »

I remember some of his Tuscanny/Apenines photos, but I am not going to do the work for you:)

Then you probably mean Hans Kruse instead, because you can blame Vieri for pretty much any mark of equipment but Canon... (though I'm sure in his hands you'd still get tacksharp grand landscape results...)
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Re: The Mirrorless Nikon D850
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2018, 04:37:20 am »

Then you probably mean Hans Kruse instead, because you can blame Vieri for pretty much any mark of equipment but Canon... (though I'm sure in his hands you'd still get tacksharp grand landscape results...)

Indeed, I ment Hans.
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