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« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2018, 12:09:48 pm »


You can cast your own bullets and load your own brass casings.  Just like everything else, if there's a demand for something a source for it will appear.  In the Midwest there were once meth labs springing up all over.  A crackdown (pardon the pun) ensued that was very effective in shutting them down.  However, the production simply moved to Mexico and because of the porous border there is a considerably bigger meth problem now than what we began with.
They were easy to find because of tracking the precursor chemicals.  Also, pseudoephedrine became a regulated substance as well.  Regarding casting bullets and loading, you are probably correct but I'm unsure about the ready availability of gun powder.  When I still owned a shotgun I never got into the reloading side of things as I was not that frequent of a shooter and the time/cost wasn't favorable.

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The fundamental questions are why do so many now feel the need to arm themselves, and what's now happening to our older teenage boys in our society?  Few are asking these questions.
It's mysterious why so many insist on buying pistols for personal protection.  I wonder how many of these pistol owners ever used one for personal defense either on the street or in the home.  that would be an interesting statistic.  Regarding older teen age boys and I would add girls; a large component of this is bullying which leads to disaffection.  Firearms are more readily available than when I was growing up but that was a long time ago.  BATF keeps statistics on gun manufacturing and permit requests:  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/02/astonishing-growth-american-gun-culture-three-graphs/358385/  pretty dramatic growth and it's not all for hunting and sport.
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« Reply #101 on: March 25, 2018, 12:16:06 pm »

Switzerland has the right idea: MORE guns in the hands of GOOD people and FEWER guns in the hands of BAD people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/swiss-guns/553448/


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« Reply #102 on: March 25, 2018, 12:20:59 pm »


As tense as things are (mostly driven by the media I think), I would bet that would spark a civil war at this point.  We need to deescalate tension, not blow it up. 


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Well, the Second Amendment will never be amended to mitigate the proliferation of guns. But it may indeed take a gun caused apocalypse to get effective gun control. It's a bit unnerving to consider what that apocalypse might be. I mean, if even the mass murder of children won't change anything, then what will?

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« Reply #103 on: March 25, 2018, 12:56:46 pm »

Switzerland has the right idea: MORE guns in the hands of GOOD people and FEWER guns in the hands of BAD people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/swiss-guns/553448/


Did you read the article you linked to?

"For one thing, Switzerland’s rate of gun ownership is still substantially lower than America’s—in Switzerland the rate is roughly one gun per four people, whereas in the U.S. it’s more than one per person,"
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« Reply #104 on: March 25, 2018, 01:06:48 pm »

Quite right, I should have elaborated. Having an island of restricted gun purchases in the middle of a sea of easy (easier) gun availability accomplishes nothing.

That's why most of the political effort to enact more stringent gun control here involves proposals for new legislation by the federal government.  The longstanding federal ban on fully-automatic weapons ("machine guns"), for example, seems to have been quite effective.

So what you're saying is that the only way gun control laws will work is if we confiscate everybody's gun and put all gun sources out of business?

Any proposal to prohibit all sales of firearms—and certainly any proposal to confiscate those which had been legally acquired—would be a political non-starter.   The latter no doubt would also face a constitutional challenge.  I'm not aware of any serious proposals for either from the most ardent gun control advocates.  (I can't even imagine any Congress that might result from a "wave" election in November being persuaded to enact a voluntary buy-back program in conjunction with a renewed ban on the sale of semi-automatic weapons for civilian use.)

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« Reply #105 on: March 25, 2018, 03:14:22 pm »

... Having an island of restricted gun purchases in the middle of a sea of easy (easier) gun availability accomplishes nothing. It's not difficult for someone in Chicago to drive out of jurisdiction to buy a gun...

And that gun would become illegal upon return to Chicago. It is irrelevant how easy or difficult it is to obtain an illegal gun, what matters is that it is illegal. Criminals and gangs do not want legal guns. Making it more difficult would not reduce the number of illegal guns, it would simply raise the cost of obtaining one. Which means more crime, robbery, theft, etc. will be initially committed in order to get enough money to buy an illegal gun. So, yes, Chicago example is the right example why gun controls do not work if there are other underlying causes for gun use.

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« Reply #106 on: March 25, 2018, 03:48:25 pm »

Although quite simple, the photos do tell an effective story of how American youth are socialised into seeing guns as normal, everyday objects to be cared for and grow attached to.

A worthy follow-up project would be to show the effects of gun violence on youth: organs obliterated by weapons like the AR 15, brain-damaged kids who need to be cared for for the rest of their lives, and of course the endless funerals and grieving family members.

In the small American city in which I currently live, not so far from the Luminous Landscape headquarters, three 17 year old kids have been killed by gunfire so far this year. It's become routine here in this profoundly individualistic society, like prescription drug addiction, broken families, unaffordable health care, homelessness, endless wars, and lives lacking meaning.

Despite all this, Americans get some things right. Smoking rates have plummeted, for instance. Americans are much better than Europeans in this respect! And in some places in America, the education system does foster critical thinking, innovation, and an aspiration to improve society. Those kids protesting in DC this weekend are a product of that. Although racism is still deeply embedded in American culture and the socioeconomic structure of its society, white violence against blacks has reduced. It's no longer routine for mobs of whites to hang blacks, which is in the living memory of some LL forum members should they care to look to the past with a more critical eye.
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« Reply #107 on: March 25, 2018, 04:25:44 pm »

Although quite simple, the photos do tell an effective story of how American youth are socialised into seeing guns as normal, everyday objects to be cared for and grow attached to.

A worthy follow-up project would be to show the effects of gun violence on youth: organs obliterated by weapons like the AR 15, brain-damaged kids who need to be cared for for the rest of their lives, and of course the endless funerals and grieving family members.

In the small American city in which I currently live, not so far from the Luminous Landscape headquarters, three 17 year old kids have been killed by gunfire so far this year. It's become routine here in this profoundly individualistic society, like prescription drug addiction, broken families, unaffordable health care, homelessness, endless wars, and lives lacking meaning.

Despite all this, Americans get some things right. Smoking rates have plummeted, for instance. Americans are much better than Europeans in this respect! And in some places in America, the education system does foster critical thinking, innovation, and an aspiration to improve society. Those kids protesting in DC this weekend are a product of that. Although racism is still deeply embedded in American culture and the socioeconomic structure of its society, white violence against blacks has reduced. It's no longer routine for mobs of whites to hang blacks, which is in the living memory of some LL forum members should they care to look to the past with a more critical eye.

Well said.

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« Reply #108 on: March 25, 2018, 04:33:07 pm »

There are many things that could be done, that are constitutional, that would discourage gun buying and gun ownership. I think those things should be done, especially in regard to the ownership of handguns. Although people tend to focus on the slaughters resulting from crazies getting possession of black rifles, there are many, many more people killed annually with handguns. Why aren't those things done? Because of the politics of it. Voters generally have a murky philosophy that they vote (I'm a conservative or I'm a liberal) but the NRA-style rabid gun owners vote on that one issue, and they have very high rates of voting, which makes them much more powerful. They will vote against a conservative who opposes guns (if there were such a thing) and for a liberal who supports gun ownership, if push comes to shove. And that's the reason; the voting rates. The NRA may scream "Second Amendment!" but there's nothing in the Second Amendment that protects any particular class of guns. That's why you don't see people carrying around machine guns.

One of the comments here has been that many of the gun opponents don't know anything about guns. That may be true, but they know one thing: thousands of Americans are killed every year by guns. You don't need to know the difference between a semi-auto Glock and a S&W revolver to understand that quite clearly. You also don't need to be a gun expert to know that there is no real sporting use for black rifles that couldn't be fulfilled by guns that would be much less dangerous to have in circulation. That's why rallies like the one yesterday can't be denigrated: those people know everything they need to know.
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« Reply #109 on: March 25, 2018, 06:05:31 pm »

a liberal who supports gun ownership,
A number of years ago Senators Bernie Sanders and Kirsten Gillebrand received A ratings from the NRA.  Gillebrand was in the House at the time but I believe Sanders was already in the Senate.  Go figure.
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« Reply #110 on: March 25, 2018, 06:39:22 pm »

... but they know one thing: thousands of Americans are killed every year by guns... those people know everything they need to know.

That feeling, that they "know everything they need to know," that ignorant arrogance, barking up the wrong tree, is what makes those protests so scary. Following that kind of "logic," many more thousands are killed by cars, drunken drivers, and drunken teenagers, and yet no mass protests against cars, alchohol, or teenangers.

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« Reply #111 on: March 25, 2018, 07:21:10 pm »

That feeling, that they "know everything they need to know," that ignorant arrogance, barking up the wrong tree, is what makes those protests so scary. Following that kind of "logic," many more thousands are killed by cars, drunken drivers, and drunken teenagers, and yet no mass protests against cars, alchohol, or teenangers.

Geez, have you not heard of Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It is precisely the protest kind of activism that has in fact made a difference in many ways. Following your kind of cynical logic we'd all have our heads buried.

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« Reply #112 on: March 25, 2018, 07:35:01 pm »

That feeling, that they "know everything they need to know," that ignorant arrogance, barking up the wrong tree, is what makes those protests so scary. Following that kind of "logic," many more thousands are killed by cars, drunken drivers, and drunken teenagers, and yet no mass protests against cars, alchohol, or teenangers.

77 dead, and 161 injured across the USA due to gun-violence/shootings in the last 72 hours, and counting.
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« Reply #113 on: March 25, 2018, 07:51:38 pm »

. . .thousands of Americans are killed every year by guns.

Most of them in Chicago and other "gun free zones."
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« Reply #114 on: March 25, 2018, 07:57:40 pm »

Geez, have you not heard of Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It is precisely the protest kind of activism that has in fact made a difference in many ways. Following your kind of cynical logic we'd all have our heads buried.

What difference? Were they successful in banning cars, alcohol, or teenagers?

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« Reply #115 on: March 25, 2018, 08:26:15 pm »

What difference? Were they successful in banning cars, alcohol, or teenagers?

Careful Slobodan, if enough teenagers get wind of this, it will be old photographers (most of us here) who will have their cameras confiscated. Then we’ll be the ones protesting!  :D

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« Reply #116 on: March 25, 2018, 09:14:07 pm »

Back to the societal changes and their influence on recent events. As noted, guns exist in this country for 200+ years, but mass shootings are relatively new. Why? One potential answer is that guns have become more lethal and more easily available, which is perhaps true. The other potential answer is morality, the decline of nuclear family, for instance, and absence of fathers. The role of violent video games have not be fully confirmed, although there are studies that show increased levels of aggression in those who play. But one factor has been missing so far from the discussion: the rise of social media, which almost coincides with mass shootings. The "15 minutes of fame" effect, that spreads events via social media like a wildfire, is, in my humble opinion, what is driving mass shootings, in particular school shootings. Which then creates copy cats, etc.

Bottom line, it is a complex phenomenon, which would require a multi-prong response. Reducing it simplistically to a single cause (guns) is more dangerous than helpful. That said, I am not against restricting access to assault-style guns with high capacity magazines, closing loopholes, raising age limit, improving mental health access, etc.

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« Reply #117 on: March 25, 2018, 09:33:08 pm »

... Mothers Against Drunk Driving. It is precisely the protest kind of activism that has in fact made a difference in many ways...

Coincidentally, CNN has this on their web page:

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Black Lives Matter. Occupy Wall Street. The Women's March. All big movements that didn't really lead to any policy change. Will the March for Our Lives be different? Source: CNN

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« Reply #118 on: March 25, 2018, 09:57:31 pm »

Most of them in Chicago and other "gun free zones."

That is completely, utterly and laughably wrong. Top states in gun violence (i.e. most dangerous) per capita, in order: Alaska, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Montana, Missouri, New Mexico, Arkansas, South Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee. Least gun violence, in order: Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York, Hawaii, Connecticut, New Jersey, Minnesota, California, Maine, Washington.

The more anti-gun a state is, the safer you are.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/21/states-most-and-least-gun-violence-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/

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« Reply #119 on: March 25, 2018, 10:17:39 pm »

That is completely, utterly and laughably wrong...

As is your counter-argument about "top states." Totally irrelevant statistics. Crime is localized. In Chicago, it is not even Chicago, let alone Illinois, but South Chicago. My former hometown, Naperville, IL, has been recently named "the safest city in America." And it is only 33 miles from Chicago.
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