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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2018, 02:02:54 pm »

Another way? I might be able to use a dvi to hdmi connector if one exists and plug my old monitor in that way.
Maybe this?
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2018, 05:10:44 am »

Maybe this?
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8UQJY/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Just to update : this cable is working fine for my older 2690, but I did just order a displayport to dvi cable that I will attach to the new monitor. It has a display port out that I should be able to hook the 2690 to directly.

Trying this because I'm having some difficulty getting my lightroom library panel on the old monitor and getting the number 2 display to appear on the pa 271q without going through some acrobatics. With the library on the old monitor the 2 display automatically shows up on my laptop screen. Not what I want.

I have closed the lid to the laptop and then can get the 2 display on the new monitor. Or I can open the 2 display as a separate window on the new monitor. It's a little confusing right now. Just got the new monitor yesterday. Maybe it'll take a few days for me to work it out.

Still. The nec pa 271q seems good. I calibrated it to the same numbers as my old monitor. White point is a bit 'whiter'...i did the contrast to 250:1 but it calibrated to about 280. Seems ok. I may try 350:1 but not sure how that might affect what i see on my monitor to prints. Lots of stuff to try to see where I stand. 9 years ago I started with 250:1 for contrast because Sean Reid suggested it for his own use. But I think he was mainly doing b&w work on a nec 2490. That was a long time ago.

Ok. Andrew thanks for the help.

Morris

update 02/09/2018 : I tried the displayport out from the back of the PA 217Q to dvi port on my 2690. Nothing. Zip. Nada. The 2690 remains black screen. So I am living with it attached dvi to the hdmi port which works. Not sure why that doesn't work. The new monitor, 271q is displayport to the thunderbolt 2 port on my macbook pro. I thought that would work to power images via displayport out to the old monitor. I may try again. I tried first time to the dvi-i port of the 2690. May try the div-d port next time.

calibrating the monitors, changed the 2690 to the new monitor

WP ; d65
gamma ; 2.20
intensity ; 85
contrast ratio ; 350:1
color gamut ; native full

delta of 0.49 for the 271Q
0.38 for the 2690 monitor

The last 9 years i had the 2690 at 80 for intensity and a 250:1 contrast ratio. When I tried that on the 271Q the shadows were harsh and i think were showing metamerism in dark areas, shadows, of clothing mostly. The roll of clothing, dark colors in the shadows, had weird wrong colors and sharp shifts instead of smoother transitions.

Anyway. Now both monitors look good. the only difference, the older 2690 is a bit warmer overall, especially at the edges. The new monitor more neutral. This is very obvious in b&w images. Less so for color work.

The 2690 has been running a bit more than 15,841 hours.
You can imagine, the 271Q what, 60 hours maybe...

Just thought I'd update my experience for anyone who might be interested. thanks for help along the way...
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2018, 02:20:10 pm »

Got a 271Q the other day, lots of improvements over the older 272W: lighter, smaller bezel and base, seems to run cooler, really slick OSD controls. Text appears sharper. SpectraView ran fine. Lots of connectivity options.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2018, 01:02:17 pm »

I have the PA241w and the MDSVSENSOR2 / Spectraview ii software that came with it. If I purchase the PA271Q, is there any benefit to purchasing the new i1D colorimeter bundle vs using the MDSVSENSOR2 I already have?

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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2018, 01:20:41 pm »

I have the PA241w and the MDSVSENSOR2 / Spectraview ii software that came with it. If I purchase the PA271Q, is there any benefit to purchasing the new i1D colorimeter bundle vs using the MDSVSENSOR2 I already have?

Dave
Yes, that's a much newer version of hardware with some useful functionality but you'll only be able to use it on the NEC I believe, perhaps like your older unit. So if you have a non NEC, might not run in some software products.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2018, 01:36:42 pm »

Yes, that's a much newer version of hardware with some useful functionality but you'll only be able to use it on the NEC I believe, perhaps like your older unit. So if you have a non NEC, might not run in some software products.

Thank you Andrew. I have my original eye one pro for any other monitors and the occasional paper profile. Jeez, two colorimeters and a spectro. There must be a better way...
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2018, 01:39:01 pm »

I have my original eye one pro for any other monitors and the occasional paper profile. Jeez, two colorimeters and a spectro.
You can use those products and they may be just fine but the newer Colorimeter is at least on paper, is more ideal for the task.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2018, 01:21:59 pm »

Got a 271Q the other day, lots of improvements over the older 272W: lighter, smaller bezel and base, seems to run cooler, really slick OSD controls. Text appears sharper. SpectraView ran fine. Lots of connectivity options.

There's a new feature I'm in love with:
The so called human sensor to turn the display off (but keep the connection alive) which will turn the display back on again when you sit back down. The delay before it starts and the depth of sleep is configurable and the display is color accurate once it comes back on. I can now work with my MacBook Pro lid closed (issues in the past), and turn off the Energy Savings stuff on the Mac, and not worry about screen burn in either. It's MUCH faster than waiting on the Mac to move itself it off the 'display sleep' mode which took 10-15 seconds to update. Walk up to the display, it comes on instantly. I'm told this is a unique feature of NEC (perhaps for the time being).
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2018, 02:02:44 pm »

I'm told this is a unique feature of NEC (perhaps for the time being).

Eizo has offered it for years.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2018, 02:17:03 pm »

Eizo has offered it for years.
What is their feature called and where can I find out more so I can correct the person who told me this was a “unique” NEC feature?
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2018, 02:17:58 pm »

Eizo EcoView Sense. They introduced it about 10 years ago.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2018, 02:26:16 pm »

Eizo EcoView Sense. They introduced it about 10 years ago.
Indeed, thanks! Just saw a little video. I'm wondering if his comments about unique may have been about configuration? I see I can control the distance the sensor detects a human, and I can set how long after walking away the display turns off, perhaps that configuration is what's 'unique'?
Either way, it sure is a neat feature!
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2018, 02:44:03 pm »

Eizo also has the distance setting. But you can't set the timing.

I have the feature on my old Eizo CG275 - but I don't use it. I must have concluded that it was a gimmick. I'll give it another spin now.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2018, 02:47:56 pm »

Eizo also has the distance setting. But you can't set the timing.

I have the feature on my old Eizo CG275 - but I don't use it. I must have concluded that it was a gimmick. I'll give it another spin now.
I don't find this implementation a gimmick probably due to being a dual display system hooked up to a MacBook Pro. Using the OS Energy Savings to darken the screen (save energy and the panel) was rather slow to update once I was ready to work again. With the 'Human Sensor' I don't have to do anything but walk up to the display and it comes on, looking as it should, instantly. Not an issue when I was using an older desktop but with the MacBook Pro, I can save a few seconds many times a day and keep the MacBook display closed which was kind of problematic in the past (could be an OS or older display hardware issue).
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2018, 03:55:58 pm »

Interesting. PA271Q arrives tomorrow. I will have a similar setup with laptop hopefully closed, this new one and my old PA241w. Looking forward to it.

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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2018, 03:15:12 pm »

Got a 271Q the other day, lots of improvements over the older 272W: lighter, smaller bezel and base, seems to run cooler, really slick OSD controls. Text appears sharper. SpectraView ran fine. Lots of connectivity options.

Andrew, how do you think it would compare to a PA302W from an image quality standpoint? (ie: contrast, anti-glare coating, sharpness, etc.) I'm a sucker for the 30" 16:10 format.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2018, 03:52:25 pm »

Andrew, how do you think it would compare to a PA302W from an image quality standpoint? (ie: contrast, anti-glare coating, sharpness, etc.) I'm a sucker for the 30" 16:10 format.
Can't compare or comment, never had a PA302W.
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2018, 04:22:09 pm »

Can't compare or comment, never had a PA302W.

Fair enough. But while I have you, how would you say it compares to your 272W in those regards. Any overtly noticeable improvements wrt image quality?
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Re: Upgrade to Eizo?
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2018, 04:30:09 pm »

Fair enough. But while I have you, how would you say it compares to your 272W in those regards. Any overtly noticeable improvements wrt image quality?
I can't help you compare the PA302 to anything based on actual usage and experience. I can help compare the 272W to the 271Q as I've owned both. Sorry.
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