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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6180 on: September 16, 2017, 08:49:35 am »

At the time, that was the goal so realistically, at the time he wasn't lying...and yes, it turned out not to be true in the end but that doesn't make it a lie retroactively. On the other hand, Trump says things he KNOWS are not true and those, my friend, are outright bald face lies.



Wow, looks like another one got Grubered. 

It has been reported extensively that at the time Obama made those statements, he know what the full outcome of the policies would be including current plans being cancelled and people no loner being able to keep their doctors.  This is how Gruber designed the bill, and Gruber fully explained it to the president at the time. 

Thanks to Jonathan Gruber for revealing Obamacare deception
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6181 on: September 16, 2017, 08:50:15 am »

Why do you always divert to another subject when you can't win. It's so obvious and ineffective.

You keep telling us the election is over and Trump won. So stop trying to divert attention to Obama and Clinton. Get over it, Trump is a big lyer, he knows it and his supporters accept it.
How quickly we forget how Obama blamed Bush for 7 years for his problems.  But you do make a good point that we should forget what previous presidents did and who Trump's competitor, a corrupt politician,  was in the election. 

So let's get back to Trump.  As a supporter, I'm not concerned with his hyperbolic salesmanship.   His inflation of statistics to make superlatives comes from a lifetime of selling the Trump name.  He shouldn't do it.  But that's how he sells his policies and positions.  But I'm mainly concerned with his election promises and what he's doing about policy.  He's keeping to his word that he'll do everything he can to make America safer, destroy ISIS, strengthen our military, produce jobs and help the economy, replace Obamacare, limit illegal immigration, get others to respect America's military and power position in the world, installing a conservative Supreme Court Justice, leaving the Paris Accord, cutting back regulations, trade agreements, allowing the pipelines, etc.  He hasn't yet accomplished all these things fully.  But it's only been 8 months.  And some of these will not get done without compromise with the Democrats as is required in a divided Congress.  But so far, so good.  He's kept his word. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6182 on: September 16, 2017, 09:30:48 am »

And just to annoy Pieter. And to annoy Bart, here is the original: ;)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6183 on: September 16, 2017, 10:27:10 am »

Treasury's Mnuchin says no tax cut for wealthy - Reuters
https://apple.news/AzF04qUL8QMWQfuRfsIif4Q

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6184 on: September 16, 2017, 10:36:52 am »

Treasury's Mnuchin says no tax cut for wealthy - Reuters
https://apple.news/AzF04qUL8QMWQfuRfsIif4Q

Ho hum.  Why would we believe anything from these idiots?


Meanwhile, the lies continue.  He even makes up shit on international events about which he could have little knowledge.

WASHINGTON — President Trump seized on a terrorist attack in London on Friday to promote his ban on travel to the United States by Muslims and, in the process, ran afoul of Britain by claiming without evidence that the assailants had been “in the sights” of the British police.

In a fusillade of early morning tweets, Mr. Trump cited the chaotic scene in a London Underground station as Exhibit A for his hard-line policies. His ban on visitors from predominantly Muslim countries, he wrote, should be “far larger, tougher and more specific” — a statement that seemed calculated to mollify his political base after a week in which Mr. Trump suddenly began playing dealmaker with Democrats on immigration.

But Mr. Trump’s assertion that the assailants had been known to Scotland Yard angered Prime Minister Theresa May, who said it was not helpful for anyone to speculate while an investigation was underway. Mr. Trump was later briefed about the attack and called Mrs. May with condolences, according to a senior official, though he did not apologize.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/us/politics/trump-seizes-on-london-attack-to-push-for-expanding-a-travel-ban.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6185 on: September 16, 2017, 10:55:52 am »

Ho hum.  Why would we believe anything from these idiots?


Meanwhile, the lies continue.  He even makes up shit on international events about which he could have little knowledge.

WASHINGTON — President Trump seized on a terrorist attack in London on Friday to promote his ban on travel to the United States by Muslims and, in the process, ran afoul of Britain by claiming without evidence that the assailants had been “in the sights” of the British police.

In a fusillade of early morning tweets, Mr. Trump cited the chaotic scene in a London Underground station as Exhibit A for his hard-line policies. His ban on visitors from predominantly Muslim countries, he wrote, should be “far larger, tougher and more specific” — a statement that seemed calculated to mollify his political base after a week in which Mr. Trump suddenly began playing dealmaker with Democrats on immigration.

But Mr. Trump’s assertion that the assailants had been known to Scotland Yard angered Prime Minister Theresa May, who said it was not helpful for anyone to speculate while an investigation was underway. Mr. Trump was later briefed about the attack and called Mrs. May with condolences, according to a senior official, though he did not apologize.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/us/politics/trump-seizes-on-london-attack-to-push-for-expanding-a-travel-ban.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


Won't you be embarrassed if they find out that the assailant was known by Scotland Yard?

But his main point was when he added in the tweet that people need to be "more proactive.”  As usual the liberal press played gotcha games ignoring the thrust of his tweet.  The Brits appear to be slack about stopping terrorists.  This is about the fifth time recently they were attacked.  He intends not to be slack like that.  His tweet is a political statement that really has nothing to do whether the assailant was known or not.  The point is here is this guy with a bomb within proximity of Scotland Yard and they couldn't stop him because British policies are weak and Trump's by comparison are strong.   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6186 on: September 16, 2017, 11:14:26 am »

Won't you be embarrassed if they find out that the assailant was known by Scotland Yard?...

If the history is any guide, many of the recent terrorists were known to security forces, here and in Europe. Many even questioned, then released. Boston bomber, for one (but since we didn't want to "collude" with Russians, we ignored their warning).

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6187 on: September 16, 2017, 11:15:13 am »

Won't you be embarrassed if they find out that the assailant was known by Scotland Yard?

But his main point was when he added in the tweet that people need to be "more proactive.”  As usual the liberal press played gotcha games ignoring the thrust of his tweet.  The Brits appear to be slack about stopping terrorists.  This is about the fifth time recently they were attacked.  He intends not to be slack like that.  His tweet is a political statement that really has nothing to do whether the assailant was known or not.  The point is here is this guy with a bomb within proximity of Scotland Yard and they couldn't stop him because British policies are weak and Trump's by comparison are strong.   

No Alan,

Trump should be embarrassed - only he .
But it seems to be something he never experienced in his life .

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6188 on: September 16, 2017, 11:33:57 am »

No Alan,

Trump should be embarrassed - only he .
But it seems to be something he never experienced in his life .


Trump doesn't mince words.  He tells it like it is.  Europe has fallen victim to Muslim radicalism.  They barely can protect themselves from the cultural, national and religious shocks that are coming, never mind the terrorism. He intends to not let that happen here.  Americans who support him understand this.  Those who don't are blinded by their hate of him and can't see the forest through the trees. 

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« Reply #6189 on: September 16, 2017, 11:44:59 am »

Trump doesn't mince words.  He tells it like it is.

He does no such thing.  He tells it like he thinks his supporters want to hear.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6190 on: September 16, 2017, 11:59:38 am »

(but since we didn't want to "collude" with Russians, we ignored their warning).

I guess you forgot this?

Russia Didn’t Share All Details on Boston Bombing Suspect, Report Says

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WASHINGTON — The Russian government declined to provide the F.B.I. with information about one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects that would most likely have led to more extensive scrutiny of him at least two years before the attack, according to an inspector general’s report.

Russian officials had told the F.B.I. in 2011 that the suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, “was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer” and that Mr. Tsarnaev “had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.”

But after an initial investigation by the F.B.I., the Russians declined several requests for additional information about Mr. Tsarnaev, according to the report, a review of how intelligence and law enforcement agencies could have thwarted the bombing.

At the time, American law enforcement officials believed that Mr. Tsarnaev posed a far greater threat to Russia.

But hey why let facts get in the way of a good story, right?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6191 on: September 16, 2017, 12:06:16 pm »

Won't you be embarrassed if they find out that the assailant was known by Scotland Yard?

But his main point was when he added in the tweet that people need to be "more proactive.”  As usual the liberal press played gotcha games ignoring the thrust of his tweet.  The Brits appear to be slack about stopping terrorists.  This is about the fifth time recently they were attacked.  He intends not to be slack like that.  His tweet is a political statement that really has nothing to do whether the assailant was known or not.  The point is here is this guy with a bomb within proximity of Scotland Yard and they couldn't stop him because British policies are weak and Trump's by comparison are strong.   

You criticize Europeans when they comment on American politics, but you interfere in European politics. Double standards and hypocrisy ???  It looks like you are here only to stir the brown stuff ?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6192 on: September 16, 2017, 12:24:12 pm »

I guess you forgot this?

Russia Didn’t Share All Details on Boston Bombing Suspect, Report Says

But hey why let facts get in the way of a good story, right?

Oh, dear, here we go again! The lamest excuse by the FBI, trying to cover their asinus (but, mom... Russians didn't tell us everything they know so that we can gain insight into their methods and operating network... not our fault, mom). It is not enough that they warned us, you wanted them to do all the work, provide all the evidence, so that we just show up and arrest him? Or we hoped that, by letting him be, he would indeed be a "greater threat to Russia" and act on it?

If someone calls police that a suspicious individual moved into your neighborhood, sexual predatar, child molester, drug dealer, etc., do you ask them to provide all the evidence? When we ask people "see something, say something," do we asked them to provide written evidence, in triplicate?

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« Reply #6193 on: September 16, 2017, 12:54:19 pm »

You criticize Europeans when they comment on American politics, but you interfere in European politics. Double standards and hypocrisy ???  It looks like you are here only to stir the brown stuff ?

This is a thread about Trump, not European politics. Trump's tweet was about his position regarding being strong against terrorism here in the USA.  Frankly, if Europe wants to be weak and let in terrorists, that's there business as long as they don't come here.  However, I thought we were working together to stop terrorism.  British and European weakness makes it harder on us.  Maybe you need to be tougher.

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« Reply #6194 on: September 16, 2017, 01:17:51 pm »

This is a thread about Trump, not European politics. Trump's tweet was about his position regarding being strong against terrorism here in the USA.  Frankly, if Europe wants to be weak and let in terrorists, that's there business as long as they don't come here.  However, I thought we were working together to stop terrorism.  British and European weakness makes it harder on us.  Maybe you need to be tougher.

Your right wing John Wayne attitude isn't appreciated in Europe. It looks like you are itching for world war three? Just keep to American politics. ::)








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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6195 on: September 16, 2017, 01:42:03 pm »

Your right wing John Wayne attitude isn't appreciated in Europe. It looks like you are itching for world war three? Just keep to American politics. ::)

One sure way to avoid war in Europe is to peacefully surrender and become a caliphate. Some in Europe are really good at that ;) 

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« Reply #6196 on: September 16, 2017, 01:51:15 pm »

One sure way to avoid war in Europe is to peacefully surrender and become a caliphate. Some in Europe are really good at that ;) 









One sure way to avoid war in Europe is to peacefully surrender and become a caliphate. Some in Europe are really good at that ;) 

Is that why you escaped from East Europe/Russia/Spain to a safe haven?

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« Reply #6197 on: September 16, 2017, 01:53:14 pm »

And just to annoy Pieter. And to annoy Bart, here is the original: ;)
Why would that annoy me? Contrary to what you think I'm not a Hillary supporter. But since the US echo chamber here stereotype all Trump opposers as liberal, Hillary supporting leftists I can see where you are coming from.  ;)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6198 on: September 16, 2017, 02:00:56 pm »

Is that why you escaped from East Europe/Russia/Spain to a safe haven?

Of course. Then again, (some) Eastern Europe and Russia do know how to fight. Some others, in Western Europe in particular, prefer immediate surrender ;)

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« Reply #6199 on: September 16, 2017, 02:03:07 pm »

Why would that annoy me? ...

Because you said we should drop mentioning Hillary, no?
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