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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5460 on: August 23, 2017, 11:10:50 am »

Nice deflection today, guys. Trump goes off the deep end last night, giving a whacked-out speech, the kind of which if it were happening at a wedding or other public occasion would prompt a good friend to yank the guy off the stage. But rather than address that new low, you start talking Obama and Muslims and race.

As is often mentioned, the election is over. Obama is history. Sharpton was/is an irrelevant footnote. Give it a rest.

There is no point discussing inconsistencies of the past just for the hell of it because there is no end to that and it leads nowhere. For example, the other day Slobodan seemed to be in favour of government subsidy of some company setting up shop in Wisconsin (was it)? Yet a week or so ago, he said that he thought the USA was in danger of socialist collapse. I guess it's ok when governments give away taxpayer money to large successful corporations. What's that, new age capitalism? I'm surprised Alan didn't jump all over that, given how opposed he is to governments picking winners in the economy.

One argument in favour of those subsidies are the spin-off effects, was Slobodan's comment. I wonder what the spin-off effects are of universal medical coverage that prevents millions of people dying or getting sick and falling into bankruptcy. But that would be socialism, I guess.

Trump seems to be fixated on Mexico again. He seems to want to go to the wall over his Wall (sorry). I wish I could draw, but I can't. I have in mind a cartoon where we have a view of the end of the wall, as if in a drone over the Pacific, looking east at the Wall end on, towers with rifles into the distance. But right there, at the end of the wall, at low tide, are these Mexican workers sneaking around the end of the wall, being met by Trump who is loading them onto buses to go work at one of his hotels.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5461 on: August 23, 2017, 11:53:58 am »

Sharpton is a black provocateur and racist.  Obama's relationship with him damaged Black-White relations and added to the racial divide rather than putting it in the past.  His "wink-wink, nod-nod" at Sharpton told Blacks that he's with them rather then for all Americans.  His message to whites was thanks for your vote but I still favor blacks.  That position set up a lot of the division we are now facing where whites feel that they were lied too and thrown under the bus by him.  They blame the liberals, the left and Democrats for continuing to play the race card and identity politics.    He blew the opportunity to go into the history books as the great conciliator, the man who put the Civil War and slavery behind us and advanced relations between the races.  The only legacy he left is a failing health plan.  What a shame.

I guess that you are saying that 59% of Americans are wrong for calling Obama muslim when he clearly supports a christian minister.

Just thinking,
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5462 on: August 23, 2017, 12:38:05 pm »

Nine out of 10 articles on Trump try to show him as a racist a misogynist a cheater a liar stupid insane needs therapy. You got to be kidding that the discussion is on levels above that from the left Democrat liberals.  It's smear politics. Trump supporters get it.   Its fake news. All of it.

Wrong on all counts.  This is not "fake news", most of what you complain about is verifiable, documented, obvious, visible truth.  Do we really have to go over the list of lies again?  Really?

From your list of accusations:

misogynist: self admitted
liar: obvious to anyone who listens to what he's said
stupid: also self evident.  The guy can't put five words together in a sentence.
insane: who knows?  He's certainly not "sane" by any rational judgement. He's systematically smearing himself.
needs therapy: debatable.  We all do at some point in our lives.

The media cannot conspire against Trump.  The media is not organized, nor is it a conspiracy directed by some higher power.  The MSM is by and large an amorphous, international, sometimes governmental, self-policing reporting system with strict rules about who can say what and when.

That's called "governance"  (look it up) (like that's gonna happen)

Governance does not apply on the Internet, where anybody (like you) can say anything they like, without verification or peer review. It doesn't have to be true at all.

And that, Alan, is "fake news".
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5463 on: August 23, 2017, 12:46:32 pm »

There are no racial problems in the USA. There are only made-up "problems," as the left desperately needs to perpetuate victimhood in order to have something to whine about.

Like this, Alan.  The perfect example of fake news.
Also a perfect example of excellent trolling.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5464 on: August 23, 2017, 12:52:26 pm »

HR representative in HR department... to deal with pesky questions about benefits, timesheets, etc, etc

Ha! Human Resouces?

We didn't have departments called that back in '66 when I left my last employment! Perhaps the closest was Personnel Department...

How hyped the world has become, what with "sanitary engineers" roaming the streets picking up garbage. The sad reality of everybody's a star - or photographer.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5465 on: August 23, 2017, 01:01:10 pm »

Nice deflection today, guys. Trump goes off the deep end last night, giving a whacked-out speech, the kind of which if it were happening at a wedding or other public occasion would prompt a good friend to yank the guy off the stage. But rather than address that new low, you start talking Obama and Muslims and race.

That's just to break the tedium of having to repeat news about Trump being on a path of (self)destruction.

But it is already 'old news': Trump unshackled: President defends Charlottesville response at raucous rally
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-idUSKCN1B211U

With an interesting QUOTE   "[...]   James Clapper, a former director of U.S. national intelligence, expressed concern at Trump's performance, calling it "downright scary and disturbing."

"I question his fitness to be in office," Clapper told CNN. "  [...]



Cheers,
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5466 on: August 23, 2017, 01:08:54 pm »

In my company we no longer even have a Human Resources Office.  We have something called People Operations.  wtf?  We have a Chief People Officer... that's actually the official job title.

One of their functions is People Analytics.  huh?  It turns out that People Analytics mostly pertains to maintaining our various internal and external web-based personnel services.

So in my company we went from Personnel Office, to Human Resources Office, to People Operations.


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5467 on: August 23, 2017, 01:40:18 pm »

This headline pretty much sums up last night's circus act.


Trump Has A Harsher Condemnation For The Media Than For White Supremacists.


Nothing fake about it, watch the speech, it's impossible for anyone using rational thinking to come to any other conclusion!
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5468 on: August 23, 2017, 01:47:01 pm »

That's just to break the tedium of having to repeat news about Trump being on a path of (self)destruction.

But it is already 'old news': Trump unshackled: President defends Charlottesville response at raucous rally
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-idUSKCN1B211U

With an interesting QUOTE   "[...]   James Clapper, a former director of U.S. national intelligence, expressed concern at Trump's performance, calling it "downright scary and disturbing."

"I question his fitness to be in office," Clapper told CNN. "  [...]



Cheers,
Bart

Clapper ? the dude of "WMD in Iraq were smuggled out to Syria" fame  ;D ... good reference.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5469 on: August 23, 2017, 03:25:22 pm »

Clapper ? the dude of "WMD in Iraq were smuggled out to Syria" fame  ;D ... good reference.

No wonder they couldn't find them! More bad information, then.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5470 on: August 23, 2017, 04:12:49 pm »

Clapper ? the dude of "WMD in Iraq were smuggled out to Syria" fame  ;D ... good reference.

Source?  Was that what his service reported, or was that how it was sold by the Administration (like Colin Powell's presentation/show on February 5, 2003, at the UN Security Council)?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5471 on: August 23, 2017, 04:20:06 pm »

 
...As is often mentioned, the election is over. Obama is history. Sharpton was/is an irrelevant footnote. Give it a rest.

There is no point discussing inconsistencies of the past just for the hell of it because there is no end to that and it leads nowhere. For example, the other day Slobodan seemed to be in favour of government subsidy of some company setting up shop in Wisconsin (was it)? Yet a week or so ago, he said that he thought the USA was in danger of socialist collapse. I guess it's ok when governments give away taxpayer money to large successful corporations. What's that, new age capitalism? I'm surprised Alan didn't jump all over that, given how opposed he is to governments picking winners in the economy.

One argument in favour of those subsidies are the spin-off effects, was Slobodan's comment. I wonder what the spin-off effects are of universal medical coverage that prevents millions of people dying or getting sick and falling into bankruptcy. But that would be socialism, I guess.

Trump seems to be fixated on Mexico again. He seems to want to go to the wall over his Wall (sorry). I wish I could draw, but I can't. I have in mind a cartoon where we have a view of the end of the wall, as if in a drone over the Pacific, looking east at the Wall end on, towers with rifles into the distance. But right there, at the end of the wall, at low tide, are these Mexican workers sneaking around the end of the wall, being met by Trump who is loading them onto buses to go work at one of his hotels.

Obama and Sharpton are not irrelevant.  They created during his 8 years racial tension that is now exploding in America again.  Shame on them.   Obama should get out there an try to cool things down.  But he's too busy hanging out with liberal white billionaires.  He's going to help stir the pot to help Democrats out as they continue to play racial and identity politics.  Trump will counter it to secure his voters who are neither black, rich, poor, bankers, elite politicians,  Muslim, globalist businesses, LGBT, or gay.  Trump's voters are not any of these.  So Trump defends their interests.  What did you expect to happen when the last president played favorites instead of representing all the people?  America is in for some hard times. 

Regarding Wisconsin, I think they made a mistake.  Foxconn may close down in three years and leave their taxpayers with the bill.  Also, I think they just gave away too much.  They should have asked Trump to negotiate the deal.  But Wisconsin is not the same situation as I described earlier where government should not be picking winners and losers.  Then, I was referring to when government picks certain products as their desire for where the market should go rather than letting free markets to determine.   In Wisconsin, it's a little different.  They're adjusting their taxes to entice business to come to their state rather than go to another state.  It's more of a business decision.  The question is whether the giveaways will return more in the long run.   

I'm not in favor of the wall.  It's a waste of money.  All the government has to do is enforce existing law that makes it criminal to hire illegals.  Just put two employers in jail who have done that, and illegal immigration will dry up over night.  Other employers will hire citizens to avoid jail.  Illegals will go back to Mexico since they'll be out of work.  Mexicans will stay in Mexico.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5472 on: August 23, 2017, 04:37:35 pm »

Source?  Was that what his service reported, or was that how it was sold by the Administration (like Colin Powell's presentation/show on February 5, 2003, at the UN Security Council)?

Cheers,
Bart

Clapper perjured himself before Congress.  He lied.  He told them the NSA was not collecting data on citizens.  So now we're to trust him?
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-resume-calls-for-james-clapper-perjury-charges

He also may have salted the mine regarding WMD's by implying that Iraq may have hidden them in Syria even though it was obviously false. 

Who trusts a CIA spook anyway?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5473 on: August 23, 2017, 04:52:29 pm »

The trouble with pissing off smart people is, well, they are smart and since Trump is dumb, he prolly won't even notice.

Trump's science envoy just quit. His resignation letter has a secret message calling for impeachment.

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President Trump's science envoy resigned on Wednesday, leaving critics of the commander-in-chief a secret acrostic message to discover in his letter:

Daniel M Kammen‏
@dan_kammen
Mr. President, I am resigning as Science Envoy.  Your response to Charlottesville enables racism, sexism, & harms our country and planet.
7:15 AM - 23 Aug 2017



The first letter of each paragraph of Professor Daniel Kammen's letter spells "impeach," some readers noticed.

This letter of resignation follows this:

Trump's Committee on the Arts and Humanities put a secret message in their resignation letter

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There is a secret message waiting for readers of this resignation letter, penned by the members of the President's Committee on the Arts and the Humanities:

Kal Penn‏Verified account
@kalpenn
Dear @realDonaldTrump, attached is our letter of resignation from the President's Committee on the Arts & the Humanities @PCAH_gov
7:08 AM - 18 Aug 2017



The first letter of each paragraph spells "RESIST," keen-eyed readers on Twitter discovered. Kal Penn, who sat on the committee, confirmed the Easter egg was intentional.

Ironically, Kal Penn (actual name Kalpen Suresh Modi) actually worked in the White House. On April 8, 2009, it was announced that Penn would join the Obama administration as an Associate Director in the White House Office of Public Engagement. Too bad the current White House has no clue how to rn a White House...

But hey, all you Trump supporters, ya'll keep telling yourself everything is going just fine-it's not, but keep lying to yourself.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5474 on: August 23, 2017, 05:07:03 pm »

The trouble with pissing off smart people is, well, they are smart and since Trump is dumb, he prolly won't even notice.

Trump's science envoy just quit. His resignation letter has a secret message calling for impeachment.

This letter of resignation follows this:

Trump's Committee on the Arts and Humanities put a secret message in their resignation letter

Ironically, Kal Penn (actual name Kalpen Suresh Modi) actually worked in the White House. On April 8, 2009, it was announced that Penn would join the Obama administration as an Associate Director in the White House Office of Public Engagement. Too bad the current White House has no clue how to rn a White House...

But hey, all you Trump supporters, ya'll keep telling yourself everything is going just fine-it's not, but keep lying to yourself.
Kammen is a Democrat and was appointed by Obama.  He's a stalwart Global Warming advocate who of course supports the Paris Accord that Trump pulled out of.  Trump was probably getting ready to fire and replace him so he figured he's quit first and get the noteriety.  Putting a secret message within the text of his resignation letter shows just how political he is.  Good riddance.  I hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5475 on: August 23, 2017, 06:14:22 pm »

Clapper perjured himself before Congress.  He lied.  He told them the NSA was not collecting data on citizens.  So now we're to trust him?
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-resume-calls-for-james-clapper-perjury-charges

He also may have salted the mine regarding WMD's by implying that Iraq may have hidden them in Syria even though it was obviously false. 

Who trusts a CIA spook anyway?

Trump supporter saying liars are untrustworthy.  That's cute.  When Donald Trump opens his foul mouth, only one thing is near certain - he's lying.  Get real, Alan. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5476 on: August 23, 2017, 06:31:49 pm »

Kammen is a Democrat and was appointed by Obama.

Hum, so how do you know he's a democrat?

I checked and there's nothing on his website or CV that says he's a democrat. He does have a Ph.D from Harvard, does that automatically make him a democrat? Seriously...I'm trying to figure out how you know who is and isn't a democrat. Does anybody with a Ph.D. automatically become a democrat?

Yeah, clearly he was a poor choice for holding a position in Trump's admin, I mean, he was clearly over qualified...from his website:

Daniel Kammen has authored or co-authored 12 books, written more than 300 peer-reviewed journal publications, testified more than 40 times to U.S. state and federal congressional briefings, and has provided various governments with more than 50 technical reports. Dr. Kammen also served for many years on the Technical Review Board of the Global Environment Facility. He is a frequent contributor to or commentator in international news media, including Newsweek, Time, The New York Times, The Guardian, and The Financial Times. Kammen has appeared on 60 Minutes (twice), Nova, Frontline, and hosted the six-part Discovery Channel series Ecopolis. Dr. Kammen is a Permanent Fellow of the African Academy of Sciences, a fellow of the American Physical Society. In the US, he serves on two National Academy of Sciences boards and panels.

Dan is also a coordinating lead author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for their report, Climate Change 2007, assessing man-made global warming.

Clearly, a Nobel Peace Prize winner has no business being involved with Trump's administration. I mean, why have somebody who has more than half a clue work for somebody who is totally clueless?

I agree, he was prolly too smart to work for The Big Orange Dummy™.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5477 on: August 23, 2017, 06:47:04 pm »

Trump supporter saying liars are untrustworthy.  That's cute.  When Donald Trump opens his foul mouth, only one thing is near certain - he's lying.  Get real, Alan. 

Get real about what? I was answering Bart's question about why Clapper shouldn't necessarily be trusted.  That's got nothing to do with Trump.  Did he make Clapper lie?  It rained yesterday.  Must be Trump's fault. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5478 on: August 23, 2017, 06:51:24 pm »

When Donald Trump opens his foul mouth, only one thing is near certain - he's lying.  Get real, Alan.
Some here would say you're being to harsh. Expect if we look at some facts:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.eaf19ab4aa7e


In 214 days, President Trump has made 1,057 false and misleading claims
Even if they are off 50% (and they are not), that's pretty shocking!
Get real (get reality) for sure!
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« Reply #5479 on: August 23, 2017, 07:00:24 pm »

Some here would say you're being to harsh. Expect if we look at some facts:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?utm_term=.eaf19ab4aa7e


In 214 days, President Trump has made 1,057 false and misleading claims
Even if they are off 50% (and they are not), that's pretty shocking!
Get real (get reality) for sure!

Andrew you're 277 pages too late.  Trust me, you won't change anyone's mind.  Save yourself the anguish and just print photos.  It's more rewarding.  :)
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