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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5280 on: August 20, 2017, 02:03:38 am »

Jeff, are you kidding!? 40,000 protesters AGAINST free speach and you call it "true American values"!? I call it a tragedy.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5281 on: August 20, 2017, 04:23:35 am »

I was reading yesterday an article in Le Monde listing the list of members of the Trump administration that either left or got fired and I thought... not a single CEO of a company with more than 1,000 employees could survive more than a few weeks in front of such obvious evidence about the inability to run a critical team.

Not one.

I would of course not mention this had Trump not decided to run his presidency as a business. ;)

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« Reply #5282 on: August 20, 2017, 07:05:07 am »

She doesn't sound very Democratic to me.

Does she not have a right to free speech (American style that is, not European style which e.g. does prohibit hate speech)?

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« Reply #5283 on: August 20, 2017, 07:16:31 am »

Mob links’ killed Trump’s casino bid. This isn't major news but it is in Murdoch's prime Australian conservative newspaper.

"Donald Trump’s plan to build and operate Sydney’s first casino was killed off in 1987 by the NSW government on the back of a high-level police report that warned against the now-US President’s bid because of his “mafia ­connections’’.

The secret report by the NSW Police Board into the suitability of tenderers for the inner-city ­Darling Harbour casino project cautioned that it would be “dangerous’’ to go ahead with Mr Trump’s joint venture with the Queensland-based Kern Corporation, headed by the late developer Barry Paul.'"

That an Australian journalist was able to post this article in a Murdoch newspaper is intriguing.

Hope yet!

Sorry, I have no link due to subscription issues.

An idea of what happened.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5284 on: August 20, 2017, 07:57:23 am »

I was reading yesterday an article in Le Monde listing the list of members of the Trump administration that either left or got fired and I thought... not a single CEO of a company with more than 1,000 employees could survive more than a few weeks in front of such obvious evidence about the inability to run a critical team.

Not one.

I would of course not mention this had Trump not decided to run his presidency as a business. ;)

Cheers,
Bernard

He's still at it, dismissing the protestors in Boston as anti-police agitators then sending a carefully ambiguous tweet which pointedly fails to say who, exactly, is speaking out against whose "bigotry and hate".

The Bannon method is all he has. You use white nationalism to promote civil unrest then in the resulting chaos you try to build a new constituency by forcing middle-of-the-road people to take sides and back an authoritarian strongman. It sounds so plausible for as long as one forgets that America doesn't want that at all and anyway the "strongman" is an unstable nutter with a serious jones for cash.

I'm hoping we're moving towards an endgame. Either the institutions of America succeed in locking him down very firmly and keeping him well away from any weapons or the indictments will start arriving, the withdrawal of support will continue and it will be President Ryan by next Easter.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5285 on: August 20, 2017, 08:14:14 am »

Jeff, are you kidding!? 40,000 protesters AGAINST free speach and you call it "true American values"!? I call it a tragedy.

And there was me thinking it was a demonstration against hate speech and Nazis. Silly me.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5286 on: August 20, 2017, 08:50:43 am »

Steve Bannon pledges to 'go nuclear' on 'West Wing Democrats' and vows to target Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/19/steve-bannon-go-nuclear-west-wing-democrats-may-start-tv-network/

QUOTE   "teve Bannon, the ousted White House chief strategist, is reportedly considering starting a television network which would allow him to "go nuclear" as he settles vendettas with moderate advisers in the White House and pressures President Donald Trump to pursue a populist agenda of economic nationalism.

Allies of Mr Bannon compared him to a "tiger freed from his cage," suggesting things would get "ugly" as he targets the Republican establishment and what he calls "West Wing Democrats".

The departure of Mr Bannon came amid one of Mr Trump's worst weeks as president."




It ain't over yet ...

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5287 on: August 20, 2017, 08:53:48 am »

I wonder if any of these Nazi groups of late are making money by suing cities that won't let them protest.  If so, we've all been trolled big time.

Remember these morons?  They don't get their money from the offering plate.  They get their money from you.  Suckers!

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-the-reviled-westboro-baptist-church-makes-money-2015-6

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5288 on: August 20, 2017, 09:07:57 am »

Every 4 years the losing side complains the winning side doesn't have a mandate, whatever that means.  Its an attempt to deligitimize the presidents authority.

In 1992, Democratic Bill Clinton won with 43% of the popular vote.   Trump won with 46%.

Trumps electoral win was 57-43%.   A handy majority all that counts.

You'll get another chance in 4 years.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5289 on: August 20, 2017, 02:27:21 pm »

He's still at it, dismissing the protestors in Boston as anti-police agitators then sending a carefully ambiguous tweet which pointedly fails to say who, exactly, is speaking out against whose "bigotry and hate".

The Bannon method is all he has. You use white nationalism to promote civil unrest then in the resulting chaos you try to build a new constituency by forcing middle-of-the-road people to take sides and back an authoritarian strongman. It sounds so plausible for as long as one forgets that America doesn't want that at all and anyway the "strongman" is an unstable nutter with a serious jones for cash.

I'm hoping we're moving towards an endgame. Either the institutions of America succeed in locking him down very firmly and keeping him well away from any weapons or the indictments will start arriving, the withdrawal of support will continue and it will be President Ryan by next Easter.



It is true that many white people and all people on the right have taken sides.  The problem is that this is a reaction to the race baiting and racial politics of the left, Democrats and many black Americans including Obama who keep playing identity politics.  We should be getting away from that.  Most Americans thought when Obama was elected with a major support of whites, we could put race behind us finally. That would have been Obama's great legacy for America, not Obamacare.  But as President, he continued to play race politics for the vote and power for him and Democrats.    But he blew it by going to bed with people like Al Sharpton.  Many white people who voted for him feel that they were thrown under the bus.  The president didn't address their concerns and was favoring his race over everyone else's when he should be treating everyone fairly as Americans.  He also favored the rich and connected, as Hillary did.  So now we are faced with reactionary politics from the right.   

Additionally, the politics of the left regarding gender, gay, etc. are not addressing the issues that many people are concerned with including the economy and jobs.  Instead of Democrats and Republicans working together to see how we can improve these things, they have become wedge issues on both sides for political votes.  We're biting our noses off to spite our faces. 

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« Reply #5290 on: August 20, 2017, 05:58:55 pm »

It is true that many white people and all people on the right have taken sides.  The problem is that this is a reaction to the race baiting and racial politics of the left, Democrats and many black Americans including Obama who keep playing identity politics.  We should be getting away from that.  Most Americans thought when Obama was elected with a major support of whites, we could put race behind us finally. That would have been Obama's great legacy for America, not Obamacare.  But as President, he continued to play race politics for the vote and power for him and Democrats.    But he blew it by going to bed with people like Al Sharpton.  Many white people who voted for him feel that they were thrown under the bus.  The president didn't address their concerns and was favoring his race over everyone else's when he should be treating everyone fairly as Americans.  He also favored the rich and connected, as Hillary did.  So now we are faced with reactionary politics from the right.   

Additionally, the politics of the left regarding gender, gay, etc. are not addressing the issues that many people are concerned with including the economy and jobs.  Instead of Democrats and Republicans working together to see how we can improve these things, they have become wedge issues on both sides for political votes.  We're biting our noses off to spite our faces.

I agree: jobs and prosperity are way up the list for an America which is hurting in this regard. And most people of most political persuasions probably don't have much time for the latest studenty muppet one-legged transgendered experiment in something or another. They might not much care one way or the other but they don't want it put before their jobs and their families. However, there are ways of working towards these things and ways of blowing the whole thing apart into one big pile of chaos and, ominously, inter-racial unrest. This is playing with fire. The problem is that the Trump-Bannon method involves blowing everything apart - and the results are there for all to see in a failing government. America has deep reserves of good government and it should have deep reserves of politicians skilled at bringing people together, not driving them apart, and skilled at stopping the crazy blame game between two opposing camps which just use it as an excuse to avoid facing up to reality and getting stuff done.

I'm a huge supporter of America and it saddens me to see it descending into this. Forget going on about whose fault it might be - that won't lead anywhere. I just think Trump is a big mistake who'll probably end up imploding anyway. Get beyond the guy. The Republicans would still hold the reins, much though the Democrats might not like it, and under another and this time sane and skilled leader there is much more chance of making progress on the jobs and prosperity front. There is zero chance with Trump, imho, except more chaos, scandal, broken alliances and all the rest. At best he'll have to be tied up, kept away from the gun cabinet and retained as a lame duck while the actual job of government is left to people who are up to the task. That's just four wasted years.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5291 on: August 20, 2017, 06:09:07 pm »

Every 4 years the losing side complains the winning side doesn't have a mandate, whatever that means.  Its an attempt to deligitimize the presidents authority.

In 1992, Democratic Bill Clinton won with 43% of the popular vote.   Trump won with 46%.

In 92, Ross Perot took 19% of the popular vote.  Trump wasn't in a 3-horse race, so your comparison is at best misleading.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5292 on: August 20, 2017, 06:30:38 pm »

Jeff, are you kidding!? 40,000 protesters AGAINST free speach and you call it "true American values"!? I call it a tragedy.

Silly boy...those 40K weren't protesting free speech, they were engaged in exercising their free speech against hatred, bigotry, racism, anti-Semitism, sexism, xenophobia and anything else that keeps individuals or groups from their rights as America citizens. And hey, they were invited...

This is what the Boston Free Speech group that organized the rally said on their Facebook page:

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We are a coalition of libertarians, progressives, conservatives, and independents and we welcome all individuals and organizations from any political affiliations that are willing to peaceably engage in open dialogue about the threats to, and importance of, free speech and civil liberties. Join us at the Parkman Bandstand where we will be holding our event. We look forward to this tide-changing peaceful event that has the potential to be a shining example of how we, in the city of Boston, can come together for the common goal of preserving freedom of speech for all and respectfully discussing our differences of opinion without engaging in violence.

So, 40,000 or so people showed up in support of free speech! Only a very, very small minority misbehaved and the cops handled them well.



Questions?

[Edited to cross out "silly boy"]
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5293 on: August 20, 2017, 06:47:55 pm »

I would of course not mention this had Trump not decided to run his presidency as a business. ;)

Well, to be fair to Trump, he _IS_ running the presidency like a business, a family business where as the head of the business he answers to nobody. Oh, wait, yeah, sorry, that won't work. Trump doesn't have THAT much power...only 1/3 of the Federal government. Darn, maybe THAT's why he's going down in flames!!!

Saw this somewhere...





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(pretty well done but the empty shelves are a give away :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5294 on: August 20, 2017, 06:59:47 pm »

Well, at least he's making American graphic arts for cover great again!!!

The Best Magazine Covers of Trump’s Presidency



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From KKK cloaks to a decapitated Statue of Liberty, a roundup of the best magazine cover art insults from Donald Trump’s first seven months in office.

In the wake of the weekend’s violence in Charlottesville, Virginia—and an unsettling lack of condemnation by the commander in chief—magazines have responded with art. And their critique is anything but subtle.

Over his first 200 days in office, President Trump has inspired his fair share of negative magazine cover art. Here, some of the best:

Worth a click :~)
(unless you are a disgruntled Trump supporter regretting your vote)

I really like the cover from Bloomberg Businessweek!

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5295 on: August 20, 2017, 07:26:13 pm »

New Bill Would Require Donald Trump To Undergo Mental Health Evaluation
Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) isn’t a psychiatrist, but she wants to make the president see one.



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A new bill introduced in the House of Representatives would require President Donald Trump to undergo a physical and mental health exam to determine if he is stable enough to stay in office.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) introduced the bill on Friday. Should the results of the said exam be unfavorable, the bill calls for Vice President Mike Pence and members of the Cabinet to remove Trump from office.

The move would invoke the 25th Amendment, a rarely-used constitutional provision that allows the vice president and a majority of Cabinet members to jointly remove the president from office and replace him with the vice president.

“Does the President suffer from early stage dementia,” Lofgren asked in a statement announcing the bill.

“Has emotional disorder so impaired the President that he is unable to discharge his duties,” she continued. “Is the President mentally and emotionally stable?”

Lofgren pointed out that Trump has not yet released a “serious” medical evaluation to the public.


Yeah, it's highly unlikely to pass, but it does have people talking about the issue. I mean, why is Trump so, well, unhinged?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5296 on: August 20, 2017, 08:14:44 pm »


President Donald Trump's White Supremacist Problem Is Deeper Than You Think - SOME NEWS
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Rated PG-13 for elements of exaggerated meanness and ridicule of Donald J Trump, and for some mild language.
(not intended for disillusioned Trump supporters who regret voting for Trump)

Published on Aug 19, 2017
Some news this week: It's not the 1800s or 1940s, but somehow murderous Nazis and Confederate statues celebrating slaves still exist. Plus, President Donald Trump is probably a white nationalist himself -- and we said 'probably' not 'definitely' so no one can sue us for slander.



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« Reply #5297 on: August 20, 2017, 08:22:05 pm »

I agree: jobs and prosperity are way up the list for an America which is hurting in this regard. And most people of most political persuasions probably don't have much time for the latest studenty muppet one-legged transgendered experiment in something or another. They might not much care one way or the other but they don't want it put before their jobs and their families. However, there are ways of working towards these things and ways of blowing the whole thing apart into one big pile of chaos and, ominously, inter-racial unrest. This is playing with fire. The problem is that the Trump-Bannon method involves blowing everything apart - and the results are there for all to see in a failing government. America has deep reserves of good government and it should have deep reserves of politicians skilled at bringing people together, not driving them apart, and skilled at stopping the crazy blame game between two opposing camps which just use it as an excuse to avoid facing up to reality and getting stuff done.

I'm a huge supporter of America and it saddens me to see it descending into this. Forget going on about whose fault it might be - that won't lead anywhere. I just think Trump is a big mistake who'll probably end up imploding anyway. Get beyond the guy. The Republicans would still hold the reins, much though the Democrats might not like it, and under another and this time sane and skilled leader there is much more chance of making progress on the jobs and prosperity front. There is zero chance with Trump, imho, except more chaos, scandal, broken alliances and all the rest. At best he'll have to be tied up, kept away from the gun cabinet and retained as a lame duck while the actual job of government is left to people who are up to the task. That's just four wasted years.

Your first paragraph was reasonable.  But it's been the Democrats that have played the race card for decades.  What you're seeing from the right now is a reaction from people who feel they've been marginalized by the elites, by people who don't care about their problems.  All they want is an even break.  I'm not talking about the Nazis or KKK.  There a tiny group.  You're blaming the victim of social policies that have favored the poor, black, outsiders, illegal immigrant, business sending jobs overseas, globalists who favor foreign countries over America, and well-connected rich supported by liberals and Democrats. 

Regarding your 2nd paragraph, you say get beyond the guy.  Why would I?  Do I want to support people who don't care about me?  Your idea that he should be tied up is an insult.  He intends and I intend that he stay for 4 more years.  If Americans think otherwise, they get to elect another president then.  In the meanwhile, you and everyone else in the world will have to deal with him.  He won't be easy to control.  Like Obama was. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5298 on: August 20, 2017, 08:32:24 pm »

America’s Founding Father Would Be Outraged By Trump


George Washington by John Trumbull

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You’d know why if you were in the Touro Synagogue in Rhode Island on Sunday.

NEWPORT, R.I. ― What would our first president think of our 45th?
 
George Washington would be horrified by Donald J. Trump’s claim that there were “fine people” among those who rallied in Charlottesville, Virginia, with neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white nationalists, and that they were morally equivalent to those who protested the event.
 
How do we know that?
 
Read his famous letter of 1790 to the Jewish congregation here in Newport. It is arguably the first official commitment of the new federal government to religious and other forms of tolerance, written by the “Father of our country” more than a year before ratification of the Bill of Rights. It also was the first and clearest statement of a principle now honored worldwide, in theory, though sadly not in fact.

“It is no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights,” he wrote to the members of the Touro Synagogue. Stephen B. Kay, a descendant of prominent 19th century Newport Jews, read the passage aloud on Sunday in the restored colonial-era synagogue.
 
“For happily the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction and to persecution assistance, requires only that those who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”
 
If you were in present at the historic synagogue on Sunday, you would have been even more convinced, as the still-surviving congregation presented its 70th annual public rereading of the letter. Speeches given there by religious leaders of the three Abrahamic faiths, elected officials and Martha L. Minow, a professor and former dean of the Harvard Law School, reverberated throughout the house of prayer.

The phrase rolling over in his grave comes to mind :~(
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #5299 on: August 20, 2017, 09:24:08 pm »

America’s Founding Father Would Be Outraged By Trump




The phrase rolling over in his grave comes to mind :~(
Washington was a great man.  But to use him as a symbol of equal rights for all mankind is taking things a little too far.
"When George Washington was eleven years old, he inherited ten slaves; by the time of his death, 317 slaves lived at Mount Vernon, including 123 owned by Washington, 40 leased from a neighbor, and an additional 153 "dower slaves.""
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