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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2680 on: May 16, 2017, 01:11:08 pm »

Giant sleeper cells:

Well, this is funny, sort of...but not really because:

White Nationalist Leads Torch-Bearing Protesters Against Removal of Confederate Statue

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A torch-wielding mob chanting racist slogans descended on a Charlottesville, Virginia, park Saturday evening, to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.

Chanting "All White Lives Matter," and "No More Brother Wars," the crowd, which said they were protecting their "white heritage" from the Charlottesville City Council's decision to remove a statue in the Virginia town's park.

They also chanted "You will not replace us" and "Russia is our friend." Dozens of protesters also brought bamboo tiki torches to a second rally once it became dark out.

So, white nationalists think Russia is our friend?

Wonder where they got that idea?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2681 on: May 16, 2017, 01:27:04 pm »

Well, at least this is slightly amusing....

Meet Robin Bell, the artist who projected protest messages onto Trump's D.C. hotel last night



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For a short period on Monday night, a large projection appeared on the facade of the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., that read “Emoluments Welcome,” along with an animation of the flags of nations where President Trump has business projects.

This was followed by a message that read “Pay Trump Bribes Here,” with an arrow that pointed to the front door of the hotel. Yet another featured an excerpt of the emoluments clause from the U.S. Constitution, which restricts members of the U.S. government from receiving gifts from foreign powers. (Trump is being sued by one watchdog group for potentially violating this clause.)



So, it didn't last long...about 10 minutes until security guards came over and blocked the LCD projector but long enough for the photos to go viral :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2682 on: May 16, 2017, 01:30:08 pm »

...Yeah, no way this doesn't hurt America...

How's is engaging Russia in fighting ISIS going to hurt us?

If, according to the left, alt-right sees Russia as our friend, I wonder if alt-left sees ISIS as more of a friend than Russia?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2683 on: May 16, 2017, 01:34:36 pm »

Yea, so top secret CNN knew the name of the city months ago. Lol
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The intelligence behind the US ban on laptops and other electronics is considered so highly classified that CNN, at the request of US government officials, withheld key details from a previous story on the travel restrictions.
The concern, US officials told CNN, was that publishing certain information, including a city where some of the intelligence was detected, could tip off adversaries about the sources and methods used to gather the intelligence.
There is some disagreement, according to one of the sources, as to how far the President went. The intelligence relates to what is known as a special access program, or SAP, which covers some of the most classified information and is protected with unique access and security protocols.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-russia-intelligence-fallout/index.html
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2684 on: May 16, 2017, 03:05:20 pm »

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2685 on: May 16, 2017, 04:33:46 pm »

How's is engaging Russia in fighting ISIS going to hurt us?

Not at all sure how it's gonna help anybody other than to help Assad overcome what he claims are rebels who may or may not be with or against ISIS. Do you fully understand what's going on in Syria? I sure don't...maybe YOU should volunteer to be a Trump advisor. Heck, you even worked in Russia so you would probably fit right in, right?

Personally, I would prefer the discussions about intelligence matters be done by professionals in the intelligence agencies. They are the ones who know how to exchange intel in such a way that it won't piss off allies or get assets killed. It was probably good that Trump didn't know the source of the intel otherwise he would probably blabbed that as well.

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If, according to the left, alt-right sees Russia as our friend, I wonder if alt-left sees ISIS as more of a friend than Russia?

Wait, are you saying that torch-wielding protesters chanting 'Russia is our friend' rally at Confederate statue in Virginia was a left wing fake news story? Are you saying that the Alt-Right DOESN'T think Russia is their friend? Or are you saying non of that happened?

As for the "alt-left"...who is that exactly...we know that the alt-right are Russian loving white supremacists, so who would the alt-left be? Lenin loving socialists? And you think socialists would somehow support ISIS?

Pretty sure nobody in America wants to support ISIS other than some radical anti-western jihadists...

As far as the whole alt-left deal, what exactly is alt of the left? Here's an interesting (for some) piece from that bastion of alt-leftism, The Guardian:

Why the 'alt-left' will succeed where centrists fail



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By Bhaskar Sunkara

Could you be a member of a political conspiracy without even knowing it? I’ve found out in recent months that I’m a member of the “alt-left”. Commentators like Vanity Fair’s James Wolcott try to break down the movement’s main currents: a handful of randos on Twitter, Glenn Greenwald, Susan Sarandon, Tulsi Gabbard and Cornel West.

Not bad company, if I do say so myself. For Wolcott, what we all share is a soft spot for Russia, a kind of “Trumpian” rhetoric that attacks cultural liberalism and a shocking opposition to the “CIA/FBI/NSA alphabet-soup national-security matrix” he so trusts.

New York Magazine contributors are a bit more coherent in their definition. They point to Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, and Jean-Luc Mélenchon as “alt-left” standard bearers.

Analytically, the label doesn’t make sense. After all, the United States doesn’t have a labor-based party, much less a socialist one. In its stead, we’ve had the Democratic party, and mainstream Democrats have never had much interest associating themselves with the left.

Feisty internet reactionaries faced off against Beltway conservatives and traditionalists, dubbing themselves the “alt-right”, but there was no doubt that an actual “right” existed before them. On the left, though, who are we the “alt” to?

The “alt-left” label is simply meant as a slur, a way to associate America’s most consistent foes of oppression and exploitation with those who mean to shred whatever social and civil rights we still have. But it does connote a real style and temperament – a willingness to speak to an anti-establishment mood, to break with “politics as usual” in a far more fundamental way than Trump did.

Look at those scary "alt-left" radicals above looking like they are going to stomp you...compare those to the "alt-right" below



Ok, I'll admit, Bernie Sanders can look pretty scary :~)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2686 on: May 16, 2017, 05:10:18 pm »

... As for the "alt-left"...who is that exactly...

New name for the old concept with a much more appropriate name: loony left.

And yes, I would prefer Russia to be our friend than our enemy, or at least our best frenemy. If you ever listen to Putin, he never refers to the States in the same manner our politicians refer to Russia (i.e., as a devil's spawn), he always uses a polite term "our partners." As partners, we defeated Natzis, as partners, we can defeat radical Islam too. Remember that they volunteered their intelligence findings about the Tsarnaev brothers. Our "professionals," who, according to you, are supremely qualified to handle it, then screwed up.

As for the Angry Birdie Bernie, no, he is not necessarily dangerous himself, but his Bernie Jugend is.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2687 on: May 16, 2017, 05:26:18 pm »

Our "professionals," who, according to you, are supremely qualified to handle it, then screwed up.

I said the pros would more qualified than Trump...and it's not entirely clear what Russia actually told "us" about Tsarnaev brothers...

Boston Marathon bombs: Russia 'withheld' information on Tsarnaev

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The Russian government withheld intelligence from the US on one of the Boston Marathon bomb suspects that may have led to further scrutiny before last year's attack, US media report.

In 2011 Russian officials warned the FBI about ethnic Chechen Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was a US resident.
But Russia declined requests for more information on him, the reports say.

Twin blasts killed three people and hurt more than 260 last April. Tsarnaev later died in a police shootout.

Before the bombing US authorities were aware of Tsarnaev - a radical Muslim - but decided he posed a "far greater threat to Russia" than to the US, the New York Times says.

According to an inspector general's report reviewed by the Times and other US media, the Russians told the FBI that Tsarnaev "was a follower of radical Islam" and "had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups".

But according to the inspector general's report, only after the bombing did the Russians provide the FBI with additional intelligence, including an intercepted telephone conversation between Tsarnaev and his mother in which the two discussed what was described as Islamic jihad.

So, did Russia actually help? Seems they could have done more...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2688 on: May 16, 2017, 06:03:14 pm »

Trump asked Comey to close Flynn probe: NY Times, citing Comey memo
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-comey-idUSKCN18C2Q8

"President Donald Trump asked then-FBI Director James Comey to shut down an investigation into ties between then-White House national security adviser Michael Flynn and Russia, the New York Times reported on Tuesday, citing a Comey memo.

“I hope you can let this go,” Trump told Comey, according to two people who read the memo, the Times reported.

An associate of Comey who has seen the memo told Reuters that the details of the document as reported by the New York Times were accurate. "


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2689 on: May 16, 2017, 06:10:47 pm »

Ouch...that's gonne leave a mark. Be sure to watch CNN tonite when Sally Yates gets interviewed by Anderson Cooper.

Blood is in the water...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2690 on: May 16, 2017, 06:49:14 pm »

Following advice, potential FBI chiefs steer clear of job under Trump
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-fbi-idUSKCN18C2PI

"The Trump administration's search for a new FBI director hit roadblocks on Tuesday when two high-profile potential candidates, a moderate judge and a conservative senator, signaled they did not want the job.

Advisers to Judge Merrick Garland and U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas told Reuters they discouraged them from leading the Federal Bureau of Investigation, cautioning that they would be leaving important, secure jobs for one fraught with politics and controversy. "


And further down the article:

"The difficulty in filling key administration jobs is not just limited to the FBI director post.

Trump’s habits of contradicting his top aides, demanding personal loyalty and punishing officials who contradict him in public has discouraged a number of experienced people from pursuing jobs, said three people who declined to discuss possible positions with administration officials.

"It’s becoming increasingly difficult to attract good people to work in this administration," said one senior official. "In other cases, veteran people with expertise are leaving or seeking posts overseas and away from this White House." "


Not sure, is that draining the swamp? Or is that dehydrating the pool of experience?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2691 on: May 16, 2017, 06:54:16 pm »

Trump was never going to pick Cornyn anyway and screw up Rep in Senate.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2692 on: May 16, 2017, 07:01:01 pm »



And yes, I would prefer Russia to be our friend than our enemy, or at least our best frenemy. If you ever listen to Putin, he never refers to the States in the same manner our politicians refer to Russia (i.e., as a devil's spawn), he always uses a polite term "our partners."

I can agree with you here.  It's a bit disingenuous to have the left, who for years have been arguing that the right were too belligerent with post-Soviet Russia, suddenly adopting the Reaganesque "Evil Empire" language simply because it's the "anti-Trump."  (On the other hand, it's still completely nuts to see people that loudly proclaim to honor traditional American values finding common cause with a Russian autocrat.  But in my experience most of those that scream loudest about traditional American values are among the least educated on what they really mean, and where they come from.  But I digress.)

As with most international relations, I would generally favor a genuine Realpolitik approach to Russia, with the understanding that, fundamentally, their goals and ours (at least in Europe) are not necessarily compatible, but even that is probably too nuanced and subtle for opposed political parties to embrace.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2693 on: May 16, 2017, 11:19:52 pm »

And then this...

U.S. Officials ‘Warned Israel’ Not to Share Sensitive Intel With Trump

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U.S. intelligence officials reportedly warned their Israeli counterparts to exert caution in sharing top secret information with Donald Trump’s administration for fear of it being passed to Russia and then to Moscow’s ally and Israel’s arch-enemy, Iran.

Discussions between U.S. and Israeli security services prior to Trump’s inauguration on January 20 gave rise to concerns that sensitive intelligence might exchange hands between him and the Russian government, Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronothreported in January.

The paper published the report amid accusations of links between Trump’s campaign team and the Russian government. Now, just four months into Trump’s presidency, it has emerged that the commander in chief may have divulged highly classified intelligence to the Russian government.

On Monday, the Washington Post , citing officials with knowledge of the matter, reported that Trump boasted about top-secret information in his meeting last week with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak.

Officials said he divulged sensitive information about an Islamic State militant group (ISIS) plot relating to aviation security that a key ally had secured, without the consent of that ally. It raised concerns among security officials that Russia could exploit that intelligence channel and identify the ally and method of intelligence used. Israel reportedly already had these concerns.

According to Yedioth , Israeli intelligence officials feared that its famous Mossad secret service would have its most sensitive methods and operations breached, potentially falling into the hands of the Iranian regime.

Fears reportedly surfaced after U.S. intelligence officials told their Israeli counterparts that it had credible information that Russian elements hacked the Democratic National Party servers to damage Hillary Clinton before Trump’s victory.

U.S. officials implied that Israel “be careful” of passing top-secret information to Washington from January 20 onwards until alleged ties between Trump and Russia were disproved. The implication was that Israeli information, which had been discreetly shared with trust for years, could reach Tehran and harm Israeli national security.



Add to that this...

ISRAEL DEMANDS EXPLANATION OVER U.S. OFFICIAL'S WESTERN WALL COMMENTS

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Israel wants the White House to explain why a U.S. diplomat preparing President Donald Trump's visit to Jerusalem said Judaism's Holy Western Wall in its Old City is part of the Israeli-occupied West Bank, an Israeli official said Monday.

Israel considers all of Jerusalem as its indivisible capital, a claim that is not recognized internationally, and the Western Wall—the holiest prayer site for Jews—is part of territory it captured in the 1967 Middle East war.

Israel's Channel 2 reported that during a planning meeting between U.S. and Israeli officials, the Israelis were told that Trump's visit to the Western Wall was private, Israel did not have jurisdiction in the area and that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was not welcome to accompany Trump there.

Trump's administration has been sending mixed messages in its dealings with a right-wing Israeli government that had hoped for a more sympathetic attitude from the Republican president after a rocky relationship with his Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama.

"The statement that the Western Wall is in an area in the West Bank was received with shock," said the official in Netanyahu's office.

That's gonna make next weeks Trump visit to Israel just a bit uncomfortable for the big orange dummy...

Do ya think it's too late to institute a travel ban on Air Force One's return to America after Trump's trip?

Too much to hope for?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2694 on: May 17, 2017, 12:04:19 am »

American Institutions Strike Back

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The president’s incompetence may yet save the country that put him in the White House.



The bad news is that Donald Trump is the most incompetent president in modern American history. The good news is that Donald Trump is the most incompetent president in modern American history.

He was too incompetent to understand his own health care bill, or accurately describe the direction in which the “armada” designed to intimidate North Korea was heading, or restrain himself from disclosing highly classified information to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. But he’s also too incompetent, it appears, to destroy liberal democracy.

When Trump fired James Comey a week ago, many Republicans denied that he had done so to shut down the FBI’s inquiry into his campaign’s Russia ties. Trump, they said, could not have been that stupid. He could not have been stupid enough to believe that firing Comey would quash the Russia investigation.

But, increasingly, it appears that Trump was. Rather than building a high-minded pretext for firing Comey, Trump, according to the New York Times, invited Comey to dinner in January and demanded his personal loyalty. If that wasn’t incriminating enough, in February he baldly asked Comey to end the investigation into former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn. Then, after Comey asked for more funding to investigate the Trump campaign’s Russia ties, Trump fired him—essentially asking the man he had handed a loaded gun to fire it at his head.

The Kremlin, it turns out, is not the only institution able to outwit Donald Trump.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2695 on: May 17, 2017, 12:15:02 am »

I can agree with you here.  It's a bit disingenuous to have the left, who for years have been arguing that the right were too belligerent with post-Soviet Russia, suddenly adopting the Reaganesque "Evil Empire" language simply because it's the "anti-Trump."  (On the other hand, it's still completely nuts to see people that loudly proclaim to honor traditional American values finding common cause with a Russian autocrat.  But in my experience most of those that scream loudest about traditional American values are among the least educated on what they really mean, and where they come from.  But I digress.)

As with most international relations, I would generally favor a genuine Realpolitik approach to Russia, with the understanding that, fundamentally, their goals and ours (at least in Europe) are not necessarily compatible, but even that is probably too nuanced and subtle for opposed political parties to embrace.


China's going to be a problem in the years ahead so having Russia on their northern border as a "friend" would be smart. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2696 on: May 17, 2017, 12:42:17 am »

I said the pros would more qualified than Trump...and it's not entirely clear what Russia actually told "us" about Tsarnaev brothers...

Boston Marathon bombs: Russia 'withheld' information on Tsarnaev

So, did Russia actually help? Seems they could have done more...
Maybe if the Russians gave us more info, they would have blown their "means and methods" jeopardizing their agents in Chechnya.  I think the main point is that both sides should be helping each other against common enemies.  Didn't we work in WWII with that murdering bastard Stalin who killed 20 million of his own Russian people? He made Putin look like your fairy Godmother.  Well, we had a common enemy then and have one now.  Doesn't the left always say we should talk with our adversaries to create common ground to work together?  If this all happened with Obama, you'd be saying what a wise leader he is.  But, because it's Trump, everything is wrong, bad, stupid.  We're only hurting ourselves when we attack the man instead of thinking about the principal.  We use to say politics ends at our borders.  Now we're just shooting ourselves in the foot. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2697 on: May 17, 2017, 01:04:32 am »

Well, we had a common enemy then and have one now.

So, who's the enemy? ISIS? Sure, you bet...but while we're enemies of Assad, Russia is a friend of Assad. Assad (and by extension, Russia) are friends with Iran. Is Iran our friend? Assad, Iran and by extension Russia are enemies of Israel but Israel is our friend who gave us the ISIS intel and now it seems that an agent of our friend, Israel is now at risk...ABC: Israeli Spy's Life at Risk Because of Leak...

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An Israeli spy's life is at risk because President Donald Trump allegedly divulged highly classified information to the Russian Foreign Minister and ambassador last week, U.S. officials told ABC News on Tuesday.

The spy had infiltrated ISIS and recently provided intel to the U.S. about a plot to bomb a plane flying to the U.S. – information that was shared with the agreement the source remain confidential.

And Trump blows that out of the water because he wanted to brag about how good his intelligence agencies are?

Trump 'wasn't even aware' of where info shared with Russia came from, adviser says

So, the big dummy brags and we all lose...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #2698 on: May 17, 2017, 01:58:31 am »

So, who's the enemy? ISIS? Sure, you bet...but while we're enemies of Assad, Russia is a friend of Assad. Assad (and by extension, Russia) are friends with Iran. Is Iran our friend? Assad, Iran and by extension Russia are enemies of Israel but Israel is our friend who gave us the ISIS intel and now it seems that an agent of our friend, Israel is now at risk...ABC: Israeli Spy's Life at Risk Because of Leak...

And Trump blows that out of the water because he wanted to brag about how good his intelligence agencies are?

Trump 'wasn't even aware' of where info shared with Russia came from, adviser says

So, the big dummy brags and we all lose...
Well, we have to walk and chew gum at the same time.  Turkey's been an ally and with us in NATO for decades.  We have our air forces at their Incirlik Air Base for at least 50 years.  Currently we fly missions against ISIS from there.  Yet we support the Kurds in Iraq and just gave them weapons to go against ISIS and Turkey objects because they're afraid of a KURD homeland on Turkish territory.  If fact, Turkey even bombed our Kurdish friends there.

Likewise, we should work with Russia against a common terrorist enemy ISIS even though we don't like that Russia is helping Assad?  Maybe the expression should have been don't cut your nose off to spite your face.  The problem is many can't get past their burning hatred of Trump.  This should be about American security not politics. 

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« Reply #2699 on: May 17, 2017, 02:11:07 am »

Turkey under Erdogan is not a very reliable NATO partner.
Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel said on Monday that Germany would explore moving its troops from Turkey's Incirlik airbase after German politicians were blocked from visiting soldiers based there. The air base is being used in the international fightback against so-called "Islamic State" (IS) militants.

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-likely-to-pull-troops-out-of-incirlik-air-base/a-38842366
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