Trump II

[Peter McLennan]

Can someone, anyone, find a single Trump voter who voted so because of "Russian interference"?

Oh, please.

[LesPalenik]

Why were only Democratic mail servers hacked and the data given to Wikileaks?

The alleged penetration was not only a result of the preference of the Russian ideological think tank, but primarily due to the weak and ineffective protection of Democrat web sites. If those hackers could find a way into the Republican web sites, they would do it, too. Who knows, maybe they did.


 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Oh, please.

Something more convincing and intelligent, please?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Would that be you, Slobodan?   
(Just kidding, so please don't send the KGB after me.     )

My landlord, while I was in Moscow, was a KGB general, commander of the Soviet Army in Afghanistan. The whole building was built for KGB seniors, in fact. So, careful, buddy!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Why were only Democratic mail servers hacked...

Apart from, as Les said, practically asking for it? What exactly there was to hack from Republicans? Everything and a kitchen sink was already out in the open about Trump, 15-year old private tapes, etc. As I said before, perhaps only a sex tape (with a goat or a pre-teen boy) could have hurt him.

Did an average undecided voter even know who Podesta is? And if they did, did they actually know what he wrote in those emails? And if they did, did they actually understand what it meant?

Long before servers were hacked, people made up their mind. I knew a year before that Trump is going to win. Only (ideologically) blind didn't. To the last minute. The election was a repudiation of Democrats, not a vote for Trump. So strong a repudiation, that people even voted for Trump... Trump! Nobody loves Trump. The vote was against political correctness, against lawlessness, against creeping socialist totalitarianism, against identity politics, etc. People were so sick of that "fine china," that they were willing to let an elephant loose into the shop.

[Peter McLennan]

Something more convincing and intelligent, please?

Your task to find someone who voted Trump because of Russian influence is about as red as herrings get.  An impossible task, getting someone to admit that and you know it.

[LesPalenik]

Long before servers were hacked, people made up their mind. I knew a year before that Trump is going to win. Only (ideologically) blind didn't. To the last minute. The election was a repudiation of Democrats, not a vote for Trump. So strong a repudiation, that people even voted for Trump... Trump! Nobody loves Trump. The vote was against political correctness, against lawlessness, against creeping socialist totalitarianism, against identity politics, etc. People were so sick of that "fine china," that they were willing to let an elephant loose into the shop.

Exactly! Anybody but Hillary. Most outsiders (from countries others than US) don't realize how fed up were the US voters with the establishment and politics as usual. 
Same as in Canada in the last election. Trudeau and Liberals won not so much because of their platform, but more because of a strong anti-Harper sentiment.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Your task to find someone who voted Trump because of Russian influence is about as red as herrings get.  An impossible task, getting someone to admit that and you know it.

Impossible indeed. To find someone to say "I voted for Trump because Russians told me so." Impossible not because they don't want to admit it, but because the very idea is preposterous.

Feel free to use your imagination and create a scenario in which someone is influenced by the alleged Russian interference.

[Schewe]

If those hackers could find a way into the Republican web sites, they would do it, too. Who knows, maybe they did.

Well, they got into Colin Powell's private Gmails...and while Trump got dinged it was really the Clintons who got the short end.

Colin Powell, the Last Reasonable Man

Hacked emails show the former secretary of state is frustrated with Hillary Clinton, thinks Benghazi was a non-story, is still angry about Iraq, and hates Donald Trump

Course everybody seemed to hate Trump but enough people hated Clinton more to either vote for Trump or standing on the sidelines and letting Trump win.

Image for a moment what would have happened if the DNC had not been hacked or Podesta's emails leaked...would the mainstream media have covered her policy positions rather than the juicy drip drip drip of the leaks. Yeah, Putin won this one...the key will be to eliminate that from happening in the future.

And actually during the Senate Intelligence hearing Rubio stated that hacking attempts were still ongoing.

But, ask yourself this as well...if the Russians had hacked the RNC (and some GOP people did get hacked like Colin Powell) why didn't they release anything that hurt Trump?

[Schewe]

More "Patriots" showed up for Obama than Trump...Well, heck, his is gonna piss him off don't ya think?



Wonder how this will be explained by Spicy :~)

#MAGA

[LesPalenik]

Well, they got into Colin Powell's private Gmails...and while Trump got dinged it was really the Clintons who got the short end.

Colin Powell, the Last Reasonable Man

Interesting article. Thanks for the link, Jeff

[jeremyrh]

Your task to find someone who voted Trump because of Russian influence is about as red as herrings get.  An impossible task, getting someone to admit that and you know it.

Or, indeed, to be aware that it had been the case. If someone voted for Trump because they heard a story that originated due to Russian influence, they wouldn't necessarily realise that they had done so.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Or, indeed, to be aware that it had been the case. If someone voted for Trump because they heard a story that originated due to Russian influence, they wouldn't necessarily realise that they had done so.

Ah, the tired cliche that Trump voters are morons who don't even know why they are voting for him. Again, provide an example of a story that changed someone's mind just before elections.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Ah, the tired cliche that Trump voters are morons who don't even know why they are voting for him. Again, provide an example of a story that changed someone's mind just before elections.

This election has elicited a great deal of bitterness on the part of we Democrats for a variety of reasons.  The first books on the Clinton campaign are beginning to come out and they don't paint a pretty picture.  the level of ineptitude on the part of people who really should have done better is just appalling.  While I was not as confident as Slobodan of Trump's eventual victory, I thought Clinton to be a flawed candidate from the get go.  Her performance against Senator Sanders strengthened my belief that she would need to run a pitch perfect campaign against Trump and of course she failed.  The continuing blame game by Clinton and her aides against Comey, Russia, etc. is just sour grapes that masks their ineptitude in managing a campaign they should have won. 

Of course the Trump voters in the swing states voted against their own self interest but this happens all the time.  Maybe the Democrats will get their act together focus on every single election in every district and getting their voters registered and to the polls on every single election day.  It takes hard work to do this and may Tom Perez can make some changes in the DNC to do this. Absent such an effort they will continue to wander in the wilderness.  These recent House elections may provide a path forward.

[Peter McLennan]

Ah, the tired cliche that Trump voters are morons who don't even know why they are voting for him. Again, provide an example of a story that changed someone's mind just before elections.

Comey's last-minute Clinton emails revaluations.

[JoeKitchen]

Comey's last-minute Clinton emails revaluations.

I sincerely doubt this changed anyone's mind, especially with it being so late in the game. 

More likely, if anything, it discouraged HRC supporters from going out and voting, or gutting the enthusiasm to convince friends to go to the polls with them.  However, as Alan pointed out, all of this is a moot point.  HRC's campaign was piss poor at best. 

This is nothing more then sour grapes on the Dems part.   

Early on in the campaign, David Axelrod even tweeted about how poor of a job she was doing. 

[LesPalenik]

Michael Moore also forecasted Trump's win. And Bill Maher was worried about it, too.
Both of them are smart, experienced, big time democrats and anti-Trumps.

In 2008, Bill Maher contributed one million dollars to Obama's campaign. In 2016, he said that “I can’t give a million dollars anytime somebody runs for president”. Especially not, if it looks like a losing horse.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Comey's last-minute Clinton emails revaluations.

Perhaps, but the context of my comment was... Russian influence. Are you suggesting Comey is a commie?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Image for a moment what would have happened if the DNC had not been hacked or Podesta's emails leaked...

I can imagine... you wouldn't have to cry yourself to sleep every night, sobbing: "Russians, Putin, Russians, Putin..." Then again, repeating it 100 times might put you to sleep eventually, dreaming about the land of rainbows and unicorns, with a free ice cream day, under... the angry birdy Sanders

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

I sincerely doubt this changed anyone's mind, especially with it being so late in the game.

Hope you're right, but then:
Opinion of whether Hillary Clinton is connected to a child sex ring run from a Pizzeria in DC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory#Responses

"A poll conducted by Public Policy Polling on December 6–7, 2016, asked 1,224 U.S. registered voters if they thought Hillary Clinton was "connected to a child sex ring being run out of a pizzeria in Washington DC?" The poll showed that 9% said that they did believe she was connected, 72% said they did not, and 19% were not sure."

"A poll of voters conducted on December 17–20 by The Economist/YouGov asked voters if they believed that, "Leaked e-mails from the Clinton campaign talked about pedophilia and human trafficking - 'Pizzagate'." The results showed that 17% of Clinton voters responded "true" "

Lots of people/voters are quite gullible (and only get informed through Social Media) and will be influenced in their (not) voting behavior.

Cheers,
Bart