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Re: Trump II
« Reply #1360 on: March 15, 2017, 10:18:02 am »

Yes, but Spain had at least two waves of Moslem invaders - the first where various religions were tolerated and existed in peace, side-by-side, and a later one, mainly from northern Africa, where killing became the name of the game. But internecine, too, as today.

Huge advances in learning came from the Moors: algebra, astronomy, all sorts of sciences as well as (strongly in Mallorca) subterranean irrigation systems turning arid into green. The influences of Moorish architecture are to be seen all over Europe. (It's said that the folk memory of those glorious days of Islamic positive glory are somewhere back in the psyche of the current ativists. Their version of Rust Belt retrieval. Trouble is, the moment people start to fight, it all ends up in tears. Which is why, for them, those days became memory and not present reality.)

Spain's occupation really came about because Spain wasn't a single, united country with any cohesive policy. It was a mess of different power structures, just as was Italy until even later. Thinking of that, Nicola Sturgeon seems bent on ignoring the lessons of history. Sheesh, you just had to be a kid in the schoolyard to know that small, isolated and weak didn't equate wth having a great time.

At least the Brits left India with a railroad system. And a few tons of Rolls-Royces in various collections. Guess we almost extinguished the tiger, though. Just as well we didn't have to deal with the India and the Pakistans that were to follow our 'glorious' exit in August of '47! It would have bankrupted us several time over.

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« Reply #1361 on: March 15, 2017, 10:46:40 am »

Death by ideology. Dozens, perhaps hundreds, of different estimates for each event, but the overall picture is pretty clear. Perverse ideologies, paranoid and ruthless dictators (and their minions), the politics of fear, hatred, and rationalized superiority/"righteousness".

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« Reply #1362 on: March 15, 2017, 11:00:52 am »

Trump to roll back use of climate change in policy reviews: source
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-carbon-idUSKBN16L2R4

IOW: let future generations deal with the issues. Trump has put some people in strategical positions (like the EPA) to deny reality and move towards making more money in the short term (and more cost in the future). Typical short term policy changes/actions will cost more over a longer term. And the cost is not only in money, but also in human lives (life expectancy and health issues), and changes in (food) vegetation growth and spreading of insects. Especially inexplicable behavior from (Republican) representatives who claim religious morality, and responsibility for protecting creation.

Scientists to EPA head: You don’t know what you’re talking about
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/03/scientists-to-epa-head-you-dont-know-what-youre-talking-about/

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Bart
The problem with climate change is that most of the arguments are about whether it's happening or not.  Other than the supposed bad effect on polar bear and the rising levels effecting low areas, there are not many analysis of the actual effects, good and bad, of changes.

First, is the assumption that the way it was let's say 50 years ago is the optimum kind of weather.  Who says?  It may be the climate that we're use too.  But without actually living in other climate conditions, we may find that there are better conditions that we experienced in the past.   It would be a very large coincidence if the climate was optimal in world history 50 years ago.  We may find that slightly warmer is better.  Certainly the mini ice age we had a few centuries ago or the big Ice Age we had 12000 years ago that covered half the northern hemisphere were certainly worse than any thing we have now. 

Regarding warming, sure, it may effect the polar bear.  (As an aside, the polar bear population has been expanding and the main problem is if it's too cold after the winter in the spring so that seals, the bear's main prey, don't find breathing holes.  With frozen expanses, the bear's newborn die for lack of food as there are no seals around.   It turns out that warmer winters and springs are better for the bears and seals).   Warming climates in the tundra and other northern areas and rising tree lines up mountains will allow for expansion of other species including trees, insects, brown and grizzly bears, flowers, etc.  Even more space to plant food and for human expansion.    It seems that we've assumed the changes of a warming climate are all negative.  That just isn't true and it does a disservice to only concentrate on the climate itself and negative changes only.  I don't think studies have covered the positive effects.  Of course it's always more interesting to worry about meteors crashing into the earth and destroying it.  All our disaster movies follow this theme.  It more boring to study normal and positive processes.

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« Reply #1363 on: March 15, 2017, 11:05:15 am »

Death by ideology. Dozens, perhaps hundreds, of different estimates for each event, but the overall picture is pretty clear. Perverse ideologies, paranoid and ruthless dictators (and their minions), the politics of fear, hatred, and rationalized superiority/"righteousness".

Wars and Casualties of the 20th & 21st Centuries
Worst Genocides of the 20th & 21st Centuries

Definitely Trump's fault.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #1364 on: March 15, 2017, 11:10:20 am »

Did you look at the charts? It ain't 6 degrees of separation doode, it's one or two degrees of separation.

So far there's no proof of collusion but as far as I know, the investigation is ongoing (as in not finished). But we do know that Trump and Russian entanglements are causing Trump a lot of grief...which could be largely mitigated if he released his tax returns (like he said he would at one point in time) proving he doesn't have business ties to Russia...

But that wouldn't address the fact that the Trump campaign demanded the removal of certain language supporting Ukrainian fight against Russian aggression. Hum Why?

Carter Page, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort have direct Russian ties– Manafort in particular may have actual blood on his hands (Donald Trump's former campaign manager accused of playing part in Ukrainian mass killings).

Then there's Sergei Millian (US-Russian Businessman Said to Be Source of Key Trump Dossier Claims) and Felix H. Sater (A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates and the Trump/Russian/Putin connections become far, far more than can possibly explained by 6 degrees of separation...

Esquire (are they #FAKENEWS?) has a rundown of "connections":

All of the Trump Administration's Ties to Russia (That We Know About)

Well well well ... national politicians actually talk and develop relationships with national politicians from other countries, even adversaries.  Who would have thought?  What a diplomatic thing to do! 

This is the Dem's equivalent of Benghazi, and it is just going to go on and on.  Unfortunately, it's going to turn off a whole lot of people to the Left, just like Benghazi did to the Right.

Of course, there will the choir boys, and since the choir is usually louder then the rest, the politicians will play to them, but it still does not mean it's not crazy talk. 

Maybe, just maybe, instead of pushing this down the throats of the average US citizens, the Dems would be better off with some self reflection on why they really lost, like the Reps did in 2008. 

Now insofar as Trump changing the Ukraine language, I really don't care.  I really don't care about a small peninsula 1000s of miles away that has a lot more to do with Russia strategically then the USA.  I'm tired of it, and to be honest, not something worth fighting a war over, which HRC was more then ready to do. 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #1365 on: March 15, 2017, 11:30:30 am »

The problem with climate change is that most of the arguments are about whether it's happening or not.

That's the problem, that is not what the discussion among scientists is about. It's not even about how much of the change is caused by human influence, there is only some discussion about the exact percentages (e.g. if it's 3% or 4% on a given partial metric). It's almost ridiculous that this still needs to be explained, and it's almost criminal if a government denies the facts which are known to be detrimental to the public's health. Reminds me of the cigarette industry.

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Regarding warming, sure, it may effect the polar bear.  (As an aside, the polar bear population has been expanding ...

Because they have stopped hunting them into extinction!

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It seems that we've assumed the changes of a warming climate are all negative.

Most of them are! More extreme weather, failed harvests and droughts (with resulting death and migrations that will not be stopped by closing borders and building walls), spreading infections (immune to anti-biotics), to name a few. Fortunately, most of it will not affect your personal life in the short term. So screw all others and future generations. And when reality finally sinks in, it's too late to reverse the process, but hey we had a great time while it lasted.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #1366 on: March 15, 2017, 11:39:15 am »

Did you look at the charts? It ain't 6 degrees of separation doode, it's one or two degrees of separation.

So far there's no proof of collusion but as far as I know, the investigation is ongoing (as in not finished). But we do know that Trump and Russian entanglements are causing Trump a lot of grief...which could be largely mitigated if he released his tax returns (like he said he would at one point in time) proving he doesn't have business ties to Russia...

But that wouldn't address the fact that the Trump campaign demanded the removal of certain language supporting Ukrainian fight against Russian aggression. Hum Why?

Carter Page, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort have direct Russian ties– Manafort in particular may have actual blood on his hands (Donald Trump's former campaign manager accused of playing part in Ukrainian mass killings).

Then there's Sergei Millian (US-Russian Businessman Said to Be Source of Key Trump Dossier Claims) and Felix H. Sater (A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates and the Trump/Russian/Putin connections become far, far more than can possibly explained by 6 degrees of separation...

Esquire (are they #FAKENEWS?) has a rundown of "connections":

All of the Trump Administration's Ties to Russia (That We Know About)

The only thing that there's proof of (Trump acknowledged it already) is that he sold a home he paid $40 million for to a Russian who paid him $100 million.  Now if Trump can only make deals like that for America with China, even you might vote for him.

The whole tax thing is about domestic politics and has nothing to do with Russia.  What it will do if released is give non-stop ammunition to the Democrats to criticize Trump for the next 4 years.  Just look at the small release yesterday of two pages from 2005 of his returns.  Trump's attackers already knock him about a $105 million write-off for losses, all perfectly legal in compliance with the IRS.  Can you image the attacks and smears if the Democrats had all 100 pages of his return, regardless of the honesty and the fact there's nothing there?   He'd be an idiot to  release them.

During the election, Americans had a choice between Trump, and the corrupt Clintons.  Have you all forgotten how she collected $250,000 for speeches to Wall Street and foreign sovereigns.  The listeners didn't care about what she aid but rather what she'd do for them after she became President.  She was selling access.   Of course, the Clintons claimed this was all for charity.  Well, now that she lost, everything's be shut down.  They laid off 22 employees. No one would pay her a dime because she can't do anything for them any more. The whole thing was a slush fund to enrich the Clintons. 

The American voter made a choice and figured they rather hire a businessman/CEO, warts and all,  who might be able to create jobs and help the economy than a corrupt politician who forever thought only of herself. 
http://observer.com/2017/01/the-clinton-foundation-shuts-down-clinton-global-initiative/

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« Reply #1367 on: March 15, 2017, 11:51:36 am »

... It's almost ridiculous that this still needs to be explained...

That's the very arrogance that cost you (well, your American counterparts) the election. As if you are the chosen ones with the knowledge, and you just have to explain it to the unwashed. Smarter ones used to say: "Scio me nihil scire."

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« Reply #1368 on: March 15, 2017, 11:59:12 am »

...Most of them are! More extreme weather, failed harvests and droughts (with resulting death and migrations that will not be stopped by closing borders and building walls), spreading infections (immune to anti-biotics), to name a few. Fortunately, most of it will not affect your personal life in the short term. So screw all others and future generations. And when reality finally sinks in, it's too late to reverse the process, but hey we had a great time while it lasted.

Cheers,
Bart

The problem is that for every one of the negatives, we can point to a positive. So it depends what articles and studies you read.  The point I'm making is that there is very little about positive studies because the media want to focus on the negative for political reasons and because disaster sells papers better than good news.

Here are a couple of positive studies and articles of warming climate.  Something you should appreciate, they also support the fact the climate is warming.  But the impact is positive.

http://www.livescience.com/28406-arctic-tundra-turning-green.html  Warming Tundra allows more things to grow and good for people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357808/  Tree line in Alps moves up 115 meters giving more space for animals and people to live.

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« Reply #1369 on: March 15, 2017, 11:59:33 am »

That's the very arrogance that cost you (well, your American counterparts) the election. As if you are the chosen ones with the knowledge, and you just have to explain it to the unwashed. Smarter ones used to say: "Scio me nihil scire."

There are 'even' some republicans with a conscience that do not want to take the blame. Maybe there will be some more that come to their senses instead of blindly/selfishly pursuing their own interests.

In challenge to Trump, 17 Republicans in Congress join fight against global warming:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-congress-idUSKBN16M235

I applaud these brave Republican members of congress. Brave, because as the linked article mentions:
"A similar resolution was introduced by Republicans in the previous Congress, with 17 signing. Some of those lawmakers lost their reelection bids."

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« Reply #1370 on: March 15, 2017, 12:04:03 pm »

Well, now that she lost, everything's be shut down.  They laid off 22 employees. No one would pay her a dime because she can't do anything for them any more. The whole thing was a slush fund to enrich the Clintons. 

Yeah, that was pretty telling.  When Clinton lost, that would be the optimum time to increase the efforts in the foundations since there would be no conflict of interest.  But the fact that once she stopped being a viable source of influence, suddenly these countries stopped contributing. It is hard to maintain that these countries/corporations were interested in the good that the foundations were doing.  It does seem to point to a conflict of interest.

Hillary Clinton's legacy will be: Being the only politician that could have lost to Trump. I really think that if the DNC had selected a random citizen off the streets, they could have beaten Trump. But instead they gave us Hillary. In retrospect, I feel this was a worse decision than the RNC running Palin.

Trump and Hillary.... representing the best of the best of the best our two major parties could come up with.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #1371 on: March 15, 2017, 12:21:31 pm »

The American voter made a choice and figured they rather hire a businessman/CEO, warts and all,  who might be able to create jobs and help the economy than a corrupt politician who forever thought only of herself. 

American voters cast around 3 million more votes for Clinton than for Trump. The Electoral College system is the only reason he won.
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« Reply #1372 on: March 15, 2017, 12:45:20 pm »

Hillary would have won the electoral vote too if she wasn't so corrupt and self-centered.

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« Reply #1373 on: March 15, 2017, 12:58:55 pm »

The problem with climate change is that most of the arguments are about whether it's happening or not.  Other than the supposed bad effect on polar bear and the rising levels effecting low areas, there are not many analysis of the actual effects, good and bad, of changes.

First, is the assumption that the way it was let's say 50 years ago is the optimum kind of weather.  Who says?  It may be the climate that we're use too.  But without actually living in other climate conditions, we may find that there are better conditions that we experienced in the past.   It would be a very large coincidence if the climate was optimal in world history 50 years ago.  We may find that slightly warmer is better.  Certainly the mini ice age we had a few centuries ago or the big Ice Age we had 12000 years ago that covered half the northern hemisphere were certainly worse than any thing we have now. 

Regarding warming, sure, it may effect the polar bear.  (As an aside, the polar bear population has been expanding and the main problem is if it's too cold after the winter in the spring so that seals, the bear's main prey, don't find breathing holes.  With frozen expanses, the bear's newborn die for lack of food as there are no seals around.   It turns out that warmer winters and springs are better for the bears and seals).   Warming climates in the tundra and other northern areas and rising tree lines up mountains will allow for expansion of other species including trees, insects, brown and grizzly bears, flowers, etc.  Even more space to plant food and for human expansion.    It seems that we've assumed the changes of a warming climate are all negative.  That just isn't true and it does a disservice to only concentrate on the climate itself and negative changes only.  I don't think studies have covered the positive effects.  Of course it's always more interesting to worry about meteors crashing into the earth and destroying it.  All our disaster movies follow this theme.  It more boring to study normal and positive processes.


Alan,

What's your problem with climate change? It's unclear whether you're saying it isn't happening, whether you admit that it is, or whether you are simply saying that it's all going to be better when it gets warmer. Or, alternatively, that it doesn't matter? Hedging your verbal bets reaches a point where you are better saying nothing than saying a lot of stuff that's neither one thing nor the other, and is, to be generous, simply regurgitated political catechism with all the intentional opaqueness of that.

Polar bears are just one easily identified, cuddly example that unlike the reality of the beast, is also a warm and cosy idea to which to cleave in ahhh!... moments.

Forget friggin' bears: think people and countries. Think the Ganges delta; think the Maldives; think Florida, Louisiana and no doubt parts of Texas, and if you were to care, my present home town.

Give a thought to Africa and the expanding deserts. It's sometimes said that Africa starts in the South of France. Doesn't your local tv service show you what's happening to millions in Sudan and Somalia, today, or is the latter (Somalia), in the States, all about heroes in Black Hawk helicopters going bang, bang, bang! and sometimes getting themselves killed for their efforts?

The reality of what's already happening is a tragedy of unimaginable proportions, and unless you are happy to say okay, but starvation is just nature's way to control population figures, then you must take account of what man is contributing. It isn't an argument about what nature is or is not contributing to the equation; it's about what humanity can do to avert, mitigate - and at the very least, slow down ultimate disaster not just in the low lands and the far away lands, but right in your own neck of the woods too.

Ice Ages are not the point: nobody is offering to stop them or to bring them back for the skiing crowd; even the Italian Alps are now losing their glaciers in a song of sympathy and harmony with the Andes and Himalayas. What it's about is, to repeat, humanity making an effort to stop things from getting worse more quickly.

I don't think short-term US economic figures are worth the rest of the world's future. Jesus, even China, yes, soulless China is accepting the problem and trying to do something major about it.

Head tucked deep in the sand won't stop your ass frying in that sunshine, believe me. And don't imagine you'll be safe in any fortress America: your own folks have the guns  - and the will to use them - should their food sources start to become unreliable. They already use their weapons to devastating effect for far less than that. And where do you imagine the armed forces, police and National Guard sympathies are going to be when their own families start to feel the pressure on food and basic survival?

You've had one civil war already; are you geared up for the next? Reckon Mr T will wave his zillions of bucks and 'fix' it - fixing it is what he said he does didn't he? He wouldn't be around to be seen - he'd be off somewhere altogether more pleasant at the drop of a hat. Because he could.

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« Reply #1374 on: March 15, 2017, 01:12:08 pm »

Permafrost soils hold about twice as much carbon as currently found in the atmosphere. When it thaws that carbon is released as carbon dioxide and methane, further accelerating the warming. This alone could cause large changes to happen rapidly relative to anything we have seen.

An interesting read: https://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/melting_permafrost.asp


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« Reply #1375 on: March 15, 2017, 01:24:03 pm »

... It's unclear whether you're saying it isn't happening, whether you admit that it is, or whether you are simply saying that it's all going to be better when it gets warmer. Or, alternatively, that it doesn't matter?...

The thing is, Rob, that Alan doesn't know. You do not know. I do not know. Nobody knows (only believes).

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...what humanity can do to avert, mitigate...

Another unknown, Rob. Or whatever humanity think we could do is but a grain of sand in the ocean of time. At one time, New York was horrified that they would be inundated under piles of horse manure...then cars came.
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« Reply #1376 on: March 15, 2017, 01:47:50 pm »

Another unknown, Rob. Or whether humanity think we could do is but a grain of sand in the ocean of time. At one time, New York was horrified that they would be inundated under piles of horse manure...then cars came.

And now (as part of that result) it risks inundation by rising water levels. One can always wait for that to happen first, before thinking about solutions. Know what, the Dutch are very experienced in keeping water in check, and reclaiming land from the sea, for centuries already. Good for our business, and we did assist a.o. in Louisiana and New York, so I probably should encourage the USA in keeping up the good work, if only global warming would stop at your borders.

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« Reply #1377 on: March 15, 2017, 02:00:04 pm »

The problem is that for every one of the negatives, we can point to a positive. So it depends what articles and studies you read.  The point I'm making is that there is very little about positive studies because the media want to focus on the negative for political reasons and because disaster sells papers better than good news.

Here are a couple of positive studies and articles of warming climate.  Something you should appreciate, they also support the fact the climate is warming.  But the impact is positive.

http://www.livescience.com/28406-arctic-tundra-turning-green.html  Warming Tundra allows more things to grow and good for people.

Depends on where you live. The thawing of the permafrost layers releases loads of methane (even worse for global warming), and it releases e.g. anthrax from animals that were killed by that, but got isolated by ice.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3357808/  Tree line in Alps moves up 115 meters giving more space for animals and people to live.

Great, that will put locals out of business (exploiting ski slopes) and reduce tourism (=less travel). Too bad if you are a local resident though.

See, there are usually several (conflicting) aspects to those (contrived) benefits. Human intervention in natural processes more often than not have a negative effect on a larger/global scale. So minimizing our influence on those processes, reducing our Carbon footprint, is usually to be preferred if we have a choice.

And a choice we have. Reducing emissions, opens up lots of new job opportunities as well.

Edit, adding related news:
Exclusive: U.S. group Sierra Club seeks probe of EPA's Pruitt over CO2 comments:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-epa-exclusive-idUSKBN16M2O7

Cheers,
Bart
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« Reply #1378 on: March 15, 2017, 02:04:32 pm »

The thing is, Rob, that Alan doesn't know. You do not know. I do not know. Nobody knows (only believes).
I think given what is being observed in the Antarctic, the Arctic, and Greenland that is is very clear that something is getting warmer.  What other way to explain the loss of ice in all three of those regions and the splitting of a rather large ice shelf in the Antarctic.  We also have a lot of temperature data from all over that points to something happening with the temperature (hint:  it's not getting cooler).  I'm pretty sure those are facts.  The other facts as I learned in the atmospheric chemistry class that I took 45 years ago is that CO2 and methane are both greenhouse gases and both have been increasing in recent years.  CO2 from the burning of fossile fuels and methane from a variety of sources including off gassing from fracking and oil production and the increased raising of ruminant animals whose incomplete digestive systems result in the release of uncaptured methane.  All of those are facts.  Maybe some people don't want to attribute this to human activity.
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« Reply #1379 on: March 15, 2017, 02:27:15 pm »

The thing is, Rob, that Alan doesn't know. You do not know. I do not know. Nobody knows (only believes).

Very true! Nobody knows what exactly will happen.
But common sense says that all the drilling and fracking, in addition to the toxic, livestock and plastic pollutions won't help the planet and its future inhabitants.
 
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