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Re: Trump II
« Reply #100 on: February 07, 2017, 12:02:50 pm »

His advances to Russia (e.g. suggestions to lift the sanctions against Russia for invading Crimea) have most likely already caused people getting killed at the Ukrainian border when Putin was testing the reactions from the Trump administration. It may also have to do with that DJT chose to no longer get daily briefings from the security organizations.

unian.info ? "...Member of the European Parliament, a member of Committee on Foreign Affairs Michael Gahler (CDU, Germany) believes ..." ? seriously ? some member believes in something ?

you can try to find a better reporting, like for example = https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-02/the-flare-up-in-ukraine-is-not-just-about-putin
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #101 on: February 07, 2017, 12:05:21 pm »

Clean out the swamp? : removing protection

How does this protect some machinist in Wisconsin?
Robert, while it is an outrageous move, it's largely unnecessary.  Barry Ritzholtz has a very good piece in today's Washington Post on this.  Several large financial houses (Merrill Lynch for sure) have already announced that they are going to continue to follow the fiduciary rule regardless of what happens.
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« Reply #102 on: February 07, 2017, 12:28:53 pm »

unian.info ? "...Member of the European Parliament, a member of Committee on Foreign Affairs Michael Gahler (CDU, Germany) believes ..." ? seriously ? some member believes in something ?

I do not have the time to search for more reputable sources, when their info will fall on deaf ears anyway. BTW, Michael Gahler is (amongst others) the Coordinator - Security and Defence for the European Parliament.

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you can try to find a better reporting, like for example = https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-02/the-flare-up-in-ukraine-is-not-just-about-putin

Is Bloomberg still taken seriously? Just asking, because DJT and supporters seem to dismiss the credibility of anybody who disagrees with him, like former CIA officials and Secretaries of State, such as John Yoo.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #103 on: February 07, 2017, 12:41:05 pm »

...damaging info on Trump...

Seriously? What in the world can be added to all the negative info on him that is already known? Short of actually having sex with a goat?

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2017, 12:50:30 pm »

I do not have the time to search for more reputable sources

indeed  ;D

Coordinator - Security and Defence for the European Parliament

exactly ! this means (1) he never has any real information ("believes") and (2) he naturally takes sides ... and UNIAN naturally picks what to report, just like the opposite side does... both sides have reasons both to escalate and not, but to use source that does not present any alternative point of view speaks for itself.

Is Bloomberg still taken seriously?

I rather read the author, it just happens he writes @ bloomberg too ...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #105 on: February 07, 2017, 12:51:10 pm »

Short of actually having sex with a goat?

male goat, may be :o ?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #106 on: February 07, 2017, 01:05:54 pm »

Robert, while it is an outrageous move, it's largely unnecessary.  Barry Ritzholtz has a very good piece in today's Washington Post on this.  Several large financial houses (Merrill Lynch for sure) have already announced that they are going to continue to follow the fiduciary rule regardless of what happens.

I hope they mean it.
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« Reply #107 on: February 07, 2017, 01:34:53 pm »

If it's not true, than I apologize.

There's some truth in it: Whether or not you encounter the remnants of the class system depends on what line of work you're in - it's still rife in some areas of the arts for sure.

Most Brits won't ask what your father does.
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« Reply #108 on: February 07, 2017, 01:44:38 pm »

Seriously? What in the world can be added to all the negative info on him that is already known? Short of actually having sex with a goat?

I was referring to the rumor of him being on a explicit video with paid female escorts engaging in somewhat bizarre sexual acts, I also referred to it as "rumors" because that's what it is (at this point anyway).
He calls it fake news, but he also says that about real news.

Link to article


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Re: Trump II
« Reply #109 on: February 07, 2017, 01:54:03 pm »

I was referring to the rumor of him being on a explicit video...

Yes, I am aware of the rumor. My point still stands. The public already knew he cheated on his wives, slept with numerous women, bragged about grabbing a certain kind of them by the..., etc. Does anyone really believe that the rumor (or even if true) about him just watching a bizarre act is that damaging?

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« Reply #110 on: February 07, 2017, 02:14:40 pm »

Yes, I am aware of the rumor. My point still stands. The public already knew he cheated on his wives, slept with numerous women, bragged about grabbing a certain kind of them by the..., etc. Does anyone really believe that the rumor (or even if true) about him just watching a bizarre act is that damaging?

I don't know, Porn starring the POTUS? that just might be too much.  ;D
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #111 on: February 07, 2017, 02:21:07 pm »

male goat, may be :o ?

Muslim goat.   ;D
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #112 on: February 07, 2017, 02:24:52 pm »

Muslim goat.   ;D

Nope. That would be a cultural appropriation ;)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #113 on: February 07, 2017, 02:25:01 pm »

I sort of think that a problem with the USA, as well as with "Europe", is one of size: both are too damned large and cover too many sorts of communities to be able to create any semblance of level playing fields.

How do you balance the citizens' rights, standards of living and so forth (with associated aspirations) when one massive area farms, another is industrial and yet another far more involved in finance and administration?

We had a hard enough time trying to answer that in the 1780's when the country was a lot smaller and more homogenized.  Makes one wonder if there is an optimum size of a country for specific governmental types?
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #114 on: February 07, 2017, 02:25:40 pm »

I'm depressed.  We went from the blowhard in chief, to the blow-hole in chief.  When President Obama was elected I genuinely wished him well.  I saw hope for reconciliation.  All that evaporated.  I got to a point where I could no longer tolerate being "talked down to" by my president.

Then, the 2016 elections.  What I've come to call the no-choice-choice.  We ended up with the blow-hole in chief.  I can say that he tapped into some seething anger among those in the U.S. who have felt increasingly disenfranchised over the last couple of decades.  They would rather have what they perceive as "an honest evaluation sans PC nonsense" - even at the expense of it coming from someone who is venal, vulgar, narcissistic, and largely unable to string together three coherent sentences in a row.

I've come to agree with Jay Leno, "Every time I think I'm a democrat they do something stupid.  Every time I think I'm republican, they do something mean."  A pox on both their houses.  In the same way that we've come to a post-modern consensus philosophically in the west, we're rapidly coming to a post-US dominance (for good and ill) in the world.  And as history so plainly shows, this great society will be destroyed from within (by both left and right) and become a client-state to some other dominant society that is monolithic in its consensus (even if a forced consensus).  It has been ever thus.

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #115 on: February 07, 2017, 02:46:51 pm »

Where's your respect for the Office of the Presidency?

Where is his? While I do respect the office of President of the United States, the man current inhabiting that office deserves zero respect because he hasn't earned it. Rather than trying to bring the country together he is continuing to behave like he is still campaigning to his base. Rather than respecting the institutions of the American government he takes great delight at being the great disrupter. Rather than trying to develop better international relationships with our allies and enter into diplomacy with our enemies he's pissing off our allies and our enemies as though they are the same–with everybody except for Russia. Why is that? What is it the Putan has over Trump that makes Trump want to cosy up to him?

No, sorry, I'll not respect a man who for year's was the leader-in-chief of the "Birther Movement", that bragged about sexually assaulting a woman and who is constitutionally incapable of telling the truth. Seriously, are you proud that Trump is President? Do you think he brings respect to the office? Do you honestly think he's not gonna completely f#%k up this country?

Respect the office but not the man unless he earns it...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #116 on: February 07, 2017, 02:58:48 pm »

... being the great disrupter...

Which is why he was elected. It was perfectly clear to anyone that he is not the-same-old-same-old, status-quo, middle-of-the-road, don't-rock-the-boat type of politician, or politician at all. So why is everyone surprised that he continues to act the same was as during the campaign? Mind you, I am not arguing that is good or bad, just that it should not be surprising.

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« Reply #117 on: February 07, 2017, 03:48:25 pm »

So why is everyone surprised that he continues to act the same was as during the campaign?

I'm not surprised...I'm furious.

He's behaving exactly liked the malignant narcissist that his supporters elected. But...careful what you wish for...already there are a lot of his supporters who regret voting for him because they really thought once he got into the office, the office would shape him and he would rise to the occasion and work to bring the country together.

Wrong...he's proof positive that there is something really wrong with this country and the answer is to get off your asses and vote the next time you get the chance whether it's local, regional or national.

Those that didn't vote got exactly what they deserve...the unintended consequence of standing on the sidelines and letting a looneytoon into the White House (and that applies to Trump, Bannon, Miller, Conway and Spicer).
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #118 on: February 07, 2017, 03:56:24 pm »


So why is everyone surprised that he continues to act the same was as during the campaign?

Because he is no longer campaigning? Shouldn't someone in his office behave act as a president for all Americans?

BTW, I'm not surprised.

Already at his inauguration speech, it became undeniably clear that he was going to continue the campaign methods, instead of building bridges between those who were divided during the election process. Divide and conquer is his game. Spreading disinformation and denial helps.

It's a lot like Putin's MO. When people like him talk about a win-win situation, he means I win, and then I win again.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall [the Kentucky state motto]. No more unity leads to a predictable outcome.

Cheers,
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #119 on: February 07, 2017, 04:05:16 pm »

... Shouldn't someone in his office behave act as a president for all Americans?...

A lofty and noble goal, but utterly naive.

Politics is about representing interests of your constituents, not "all Americans," as there is no such thing as "all American" interests (short of defending country from an invasion). Do  you really think that 60+ millions that voted Trump and 60+ millions that voted Hillary have much in common, let alone the same interests? The deranged reaction to his victory only reinforces the notion.

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