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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6220 on: September 17, 2017, 07:30:30 pm »

That's funny, Jeff.  :)

That is beyond funny.  That is a contemporary classic!  :)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6221 on: September 18, 2017, 06:14:46 am »

You mean like when Obama told us we could keep our doctors and that medical insurance costs would go down?

It was true for me. I have had the same doctor for well over a decade.  My contribution to my health insurance went down as well as my company's contribution.  Our total cost of health insurance went down after the ACA.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6222 on: September 18, 2017, 06:50:48 am »

Peter, I admit I throw a lot of American idiomatic expressions at you (deliberately :) )and you do fine with understanding them.  Kudos to you.  Frankly, I'm not as astute as you.  Could you explain yours?
Well, it's actually a translated Dutch expression. You commented Trump was correcting "Obama's and Hillery's bonehead mistakes". Maybe Trump is correcting some of their mistakes but in my opinion he's doing much more damage then that he is correcting, hence he's "throwing more stuff over with his a$$ then he is putting back up with his hands"

In Dutch: Hij gooit meer om met z'n kont dan dat hij met zijn handen rechtop zet.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6223 on: September 18, 2017, 07:55:26 am »

Ah, yes, the typical Germanic "subtlety" ;)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6224 on: September 18, 2017, 08:11:45 am »

Ah, yes, the typical Germanic "subtlety" ;)

Be careful, Alan is from German orgin ;)

And believe it or not, English is also a Germanic language (if we believe Wikipedia)   :o
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6225 on: September 18, 2017, 09:48:56 am »

I'm trying to remember.  When the Boston bombing happened, were the Russians still friends with us or had they become the enemy again?

the question is - were you ever friends with Russians... the answer is - never, so ... you got warned, good enough... remember Trump tried to tell about bombs in notebooks in airplanes to Russians ? and the hysterical reaction to this (aka "Trump's classified intel leak") ? so next time you will not get even a warning, brother

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6226 on: September 18, 2017, 09:53:50 am »

The DMZ is a "no man's land" owned neither by North Korea nor South Korea and the DMZ is 2.5 miles wide.

in your dreams only - try to step north of MDL and you feel the ownership  ;D right away in shape of 7.62mm or whatever is the current caliber used by NK...  MDL is the border and both sides partrol their territory on both sides of that border ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Demarcation_Line )...



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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6227 on: September 18, 2017, 12:44:38 pm »

Well, it's actually a translated Dutch expression. You commented Trump was correcting "Obama's and Hillery's bonehead mistakes". Maybe Trump is correcting some of their mistakes but in my opinion he's doing much more damage then that he is correcting, hence he's "throwing more stuff over with his a$$ then he is putting back up with his hands"

In Dutch: Hij gooit meer om met z'n kont dan dat hij met zijn handen rechtop zet.

Thanks for explaining it.   It is true he's reversing stuff especially Obamas.   But that's one of the reasons people voted for him.   

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6228 on: September 18, 2017, 01:27:31 pm »

Thanks for explaining it.   It is true he's reversing stuff especially Obamas.   But that's one of the reasons people voted for him.

Reversing a prior government's executive orders is simple, even Trump can achieve that (some of the time), although he's taking an awfully long time doing it. Wonder when he will start doing something constructive instead of destructive ...

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6229 on: September 18, 2017, 02:25:33 pm »

Reversing a prior government's executive orders is simple

try DACA ? the screeching of the alt-left harpies is deafening
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6230 on: September 18, 2017, 02:42:56 pm »

try DACA ? the screeching of the alt-left harpies is deafening

And the screeching of the moderate GOP members too, right?

Here are the Republicans in Congress who support DREAMers without conditions

Here are some GOP congressmen who support a DACA fix through legislative action:
Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC)
Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL)
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehinen (R-FL)
Rep. Mike Coffman (R-CO)
Rep. Leonard Lance (R-NJ)
Rep. David Valadao (R-CA)
Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC)
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL)

So, apparently it's not just the alt-left harpies that are joining in on trying to preserve the Dreamers ability to stay and to make at least aspects of DACA into legislation.

And that include The Donald it seems...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6231 on: September 18, 2017, 02:48:29 pm »

try DACA ? the screeching of the alt-left harpies is deafening

Repealing such an order only takes a signature.

Understanding the consequences of the repeal, or putting something better or a modification in place, requires knowledge and a long-term vision.

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Bart
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6232 on: September 18, 2017, 03:09:16 pm »

And then there's this...maybe hanging around Donald Trump ends up eroding one's intelligence?



Kenneth P. Vogel ‏Verified account
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a photo of Ty Cobb & John Dowd casually & loudly discussing details of Russia investigation at @BLTSteakDC while I sat at next table.
8:10 PM - 17 Sep 2017

Why is this news? Ken Vogel is a reporter for the friggin' New York Times!

Trump Lawyers Clash Over How Much to Cooperate With Russia Inquiry

By PETER BAKER and KENNETH P. VOGEL SEPT. 17, 2017

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WASHINGTON — President Trump’s legal team is wrestling with how much to cooperate with the special counsel looking into Russian election interference, an internal debate that led to an angry confrontation last week between two White House lawyers and that could shape the course of the investigation.

At the heart of the clash is an issue that has challenged multiple presidents during high-stakes Washington investigations: how to handle the demands of investigators without surrendering the institutional prerogatives of the office of the presidency. Similar conflicts during the Watergate and Monica S. Lewinsky scandals resulted in court rulings that limited a president’s right to confidentiality.

The debate in Mr. Trump’s West Wing has pitted Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel, against Ty Cobb, a lawyer brought in to manage the response to the investigation. Mr. Cobb has argued for turning over as many of the emails and documents requested by the special counsel as possible in hopes of quickly ending the investigation — or at least its focus on Mr. Trump.

Mr. McGahn supports cooperation, but has expressed worry about setting a precedent that would weaken the White House long after Mr. Trump’s tenure is over. He is described as particularly concerned about whether the president will invoke executive or attorney-client privilege to limit how forthcoming Mr. McGahn could be if he himself is interviewed by the special counsel as requested.

The friction escalated in recent days after Mr. Cobb was overheard by a reporter for The New York Times discussing the dispute during a lunchtime conversation at a popular Washington steakhouse. Mr. Cobb was heard talking about a White House lawyer he deemed “a McGahn spy” and saying Mr. McGahn had “a couple documents locked in a safe” that he seemed to suggest he wanted access to. He also mentioned a colleague whom he blamed for “some of these earlier leaks,” and who he said “tried to push Jared out,” meaning Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been a previous source of dispute for the legal team.

After The Times contacted the White House about the situation, Mr. McGahn privately erupted at Mr. Cobb, according to people informed about the confrontation who asked not to be named describing internal matters. John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, sharply reprimanded Mr. Cobb for his indiscretion, the people said.

Wait, what? Trump's lawyers are discussing private information and strategies in public within earshot of a NYT reporter? You couldn't make this shit up. If you wrote this into a movie script, people would say no lawyer in his right minds would be talking about serious stuff in public–let alone within earshot of a reporter, right?

But no, Ty Cobb and John Dowd are apparently drinking the same water in the White House that is making everybody else stupid.

And why do two high profile lawyers go to a bast steakhouse to do their "leak"?

Trump lawyers spill beans, thanks to terrible choice of restaurant — next door to the New York Times

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It is every Washington reporter’s dream to sit down at a restaurant, overhear secret stuff and get a scoop. It rarely happens.

Still, everyone in town important enough to have secrets worth keeping knows that secrets are not safe on the Acela train and in Washington restaurants.

This is especially true in eateries next door to a major newspaper.

Yes, Ty Cobb and John Dowd, lawyers for President Trump, we’re talking to you.

But it’s too late now.

Dowd represents Trump but does not work at the White House. Cobb is a White House employee who is instantly recognizable to many because of his handlebar mustache.

Together, they went for what appears to have been a working lunch at BLT Steak, 1625 I St. NW in Washington. It’s close to the White House and very convenient.

It’s also next door to 1627 I St. NW, which happens to house the Washington bureau of the New York Times.



Sitting at the next table, according to the Times, was Kenneth Vogel, one of Washington’s most skillful investigative reporters. Vogel is a former reporter for Politico, which is based in Virginia, who arrived at the Times just in time for the Russia investigation and, as it turned out, just in time for lunch.

Welcome to America home of the President Trump's White House Reality Show

Don't drink the swamp water...it makes you stupid!
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6233 on: September 18, 2017, 03:19:12 pm »

Of course it did, right?

The Trump administration’s big new anti-leak memo leaked last night



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Every administration faces leaks, and no administration likes them. The Obama administration went further than its predecessors in launching criminal prosecutions of national security leakers, but the Trump administration appears to be positively obsessed with both leaks and leaking in a very different way. There are two big signs of that right now.

First, National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster wrote a memo demanding anti-leak action not only from the security services but from civilian agencies as well. It takes on leaks of classified information, then also asserts that “unauthorized disclosure” of “controlled unclassified” information “causes harm to our Nation and shakes the confidence of the American people.”

Second, that memo — which went out a few days ago — leaked Wednesday night to BuzzFeed News’s Chris Geidner, because in the Trump administration everything leaks

The President Trump's White House Reality Show has a new episode about LEAKS!!!

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Full text of the leaked anti-leaking memo
SUBJECT: Request for Provision of Training on Unauthorized Disclosures

The unauthorized disclosure of classified information or controlled unclassified United States Government information causes harm to our Nation and shakes the confidence of the American people. In this era of unprecedented unauthorized disclosures, it is important to take time to review with your workforce their roles and responsibilities in safeguarding United States Government information.

In light of the recent press conference by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence regarding unauthorized disclosures, I am requesting that every Federal Government department and agency dedicate a 1-hour, organization-wide event to engage their workforce in a discussion on the importance of protecting classified and controlled unclassified information, and measures to prevent and detect unauthorized disclosures.

For those with access to classified information, a review of the non-disclosure agreement reminds us of the responsibilities that come with access to, and penalties for unauthorized disclosure of, classified information. However, it is equally important to discuss the importance of protecting controlled unclassified and personally identifiable information from unauthorized public disclosure.

Although there are policies and guidance already in place to prevent unauthorized disclosures, it will be time well spent to shine a spotlight on the importance of this issue, and engage the workforce in conversation about what it means to be a steward of United States Government information. It is particularly important to stress the sharp difference between unauthorized disclosures of information and whistleblowing — the responsibility of all federal employees to report waste, fraud and abuse through proper channels.

There are many resources available to frame this 1-hour event, including a review of policies, guidance, videos, and training materials, and perhaps most important, an open discussion to answer questions and raise issues to ensure that our safeguarding measures are understood and effective.

Suggested training materials are attached. In order to ensure a consistent and strong message is given to the entire federal workforce, such training should occur the week of September 18-22, 2017.

H.R. McMaster

Lieutenant General, United States Army

Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs

So, basically, go sit in a corner for 1 hour and contemplate your bad behavior...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6234 on: September 18, 2017, 03:37:08 pm »

Now, about those darn email (and no, not Hillary's email)

Experts Say the Use of Private Email by Trump’s Voter Fraud Commission Isn’t Legal


President Donald Trump, accompanied by Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of
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Election Integrity at the White House on Wednesday, July 19.


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President Donald Trump’s voter fraud commission came under fire earlier this month when a lawsuit and media reports revealed that the commissioners were using private emails to conduct public business. Commission co-chair Kris Kobach confirmed this week that most of them continue to do so.

Experts say the commission’s email practices do not appear to comport with federal law. “The statute here is clear,” said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle and former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.

Essentially, Baron said, the commissioners have three options: 1. They can use a government email address; 2. They can use a private email address but copy every message to a government account; or 3. They can use a private email address and forward each message to a government account within 20 days. According to Baron, those are the requirements of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which the commission must comply with under its charter.

“All written communications between or among its members involving commission business are permanent records destined to be preserved at the National Archives,” said Baron. “Without specific guidance, commission members may not realize that their email communications about commission business constitute White House records.”

So, did Trump's administration learn nothing about recent events? If you do the government's business, best not to do so using private emails?

Oh, and an interesting side note to the emails provided to ProPublica for review while writing this story;

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One footnote: Among the emails provided by Dunlap was a message from Carter Page, a former policy adviser to the Trump campaign who has reportedly attracted the attention of investigators probing the Russia imbroglio. Page sent an email on July 5 to three accounts associated with Kobach and cc’d Dunlap, New Hampshire Secretary of State Bill Gardner and Indiana Secretary of State Connie Lawson. In it, he implored the commission to investigate “the Obama administration’s misuse of federal resources of the Intelligence Community in their unjustified attacks on myself and other volunteers who peacefully supported [Trump’s] campaign as private citizens.”

“The work of your commission offers an essential opportunity to take further steps toward helping to further restore the integrity of the American democracy following their abuses of last year,” he wrote.

There is no evidence this email was forwarded to a federal email account. Page, Kossack and Kobach did not respond to requests for comment about the email.

Wait, what is Carter Page doing sending emails off to members of this commission? WTF?

Another episode of the President Trump's White House Reality Show™
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6235 on: September 18, 2017, 03:47:05 pm »

Sleep where Trump used to sleep...

Trump's childhood home becomes showcase for refugees


In this Saturday, Sept. 16, 2017 photo, Abdi Iftin, left, of Somalia, Uyen Nguyen, second from left, of Vietnam, Eiman Ali,
right, of Somalia born in  Yemen, and Ghassan al-Chahada, of Syria pose for a photo outside President Donald Trump's
boyhood home in the Jamaica Estates neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York.


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President Donald Trump's childhood home in New York had some new occupants over the weekend — refugees who shared their stories as a way to draw attention to the refugee crisis as the United Nations General Assembly convenes this week with Trump in attendance.

The three-story Tudor-style home in Queens that Trump's father, Fred, built in 1940 is now a rental available on Airbnb that anyone can stay in for $725 a night. It was auctioned off to an unidentified buyer in March for $2.14 million, its second time going up for auction.

The international anti-poverty organization Oxfam rented it Saturday and invited four refugees to talk with journalists. The Republican president's administration issued travel bans on people from six Muslim-majority countries and all refugees. After various court challenges, the Supreme Court last week allowed the restrictive policy on refugees to remain temporarily. The justices will hear arguments on the bans Oct. 10.

"We wanted to send a strong message to Trump and world leaders that they must do more to welcome refugees," said Shannon Scribner, acting director for the humanitarian department of Oxfam America.

Trump lived in the house on a tree-lined street of single-family dwellings until he was about 4, when his family moved to another home his father had built nearby.

Delicious irony...
Another episode of The President Trump's White House Reality Show™
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6236 on: September 18, 2017, 05:21:36 pm »

Sleep where Trump used to sleep...

Trump's childhood home becomes showcase for refugees


In this Saturday, Sept. 16, 2017 photo, Abdi Iftin, left, of Somalia, Uyen Nguyen, second from left, of Vietnam, Eiman Ali,
right, of Somalia born in  Yemen, and Ghassan al-Chahada, of Syria pose for a photo outside President Donald Trump's
boyhood home in the Jamaica Estates neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York.


Delicious irony...
Another episode of The President Trump's White House Reality Show™
The two on the right are stepping on his lawn. 

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6237 on: September 18, 2017, 06:04:12 pm »

Reversing a prior government's executive orders is simple, even Trump can achieve that (some of the time), although he's taking an awfully long time doing it. Wonder when he will start doing something constructive instead of destructive ...

Cheers,
Bart
As soon as he has Hillary arrested.  :)

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Re: Trump II
« Reply #6238 on: September 18, 2017, 06:39:28 pm »

As soon as he has Hillary arrested.  :)

So you mean never?  ;)

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Trump II
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