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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4620 on: August 03, 2017, 02:07:47 am »

You know it's starting to get real when the president is being ignored.

As the lies and contradictions mount, federal officials are deciding to simply ignore Trump



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Increasingly, federal officials are deciding simply to ignore President Donald Trump.

Evidence arrives every day of the government treating the man elected to lead it as someone talking mostly to himself.

The phenomenon has grown more pronounced as Trump keeps struggling to govern amid special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.


Increasingly, federal officials are deciding to simply ignore President Donald Trump.

As stunning as that sounds, fresh evidence arrives every day of the government treating the man elected to lead it as someone talking mostly to himself.

On Tuesday alone, the commandant of the Coast Guard announced he will "not break faith" with transgender service members despite Trump's statement that they could no longer serve. Fellow Republicans in the Senate moved ahead with other business despite the president's insistence that they return to repealing Obamacare. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said, "we certainly don't blame the Chinese" for North Korea's nuclear program after Trump claimed, "China could easily solve this problem." And Vice President Mike Pence said the president and Congress speak in a "unified voice" on a bipartisan Russia sanctions bill Trump has signed, but not publicly embraced.

"What is most remarkable is the extent to which his senior officials act as if Trump were not the chief executive," Jack Goldsmith, a top Justice Department official under President George W. Bush, wrote last weekend on lawfareblog.com.

"Never has a president been so regularly ignored or contradicted by his own officials," Goldsmith added. "The president is a figurehead who barks out positions and desires, but his senior subordinates carry on with different commitments."

But you know, everything is going great–no problems! New chief of staff will be a great reset and now the team can look for another new director of communications because well, The Mooch didn't really work out. But the team is sure there will be somebody really great to step in and take over this well oiled machine in the White House...oh, and really it's not a dump...Trump never said that in front of plenty of witnesses. And the Boy Scouts speech and the speech in front of cops...they were really great many people were saying. And that Wall Street Journal interview provided a couple of good quotes for the WSJ. The Trumpets will be sure to stir up the racial impact of affirmative action and legal immigration is gonna be cut in half to save America jobs!

Yeah, things are going great...couldn't be better!
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4621 on: August 03, 2017, 02:29:59 am »

I kinda miss him already!
(ok, not really but he did have a way with language–something I can certainly appreciate)

Why The Mooch Lost His Cool



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Anthony Scaramucci tells HuffPost about the highs and lows of his fiery stint at the White House and what that cuss-filled rant was really about.

By Vicky Ward Editor at Large, HuffPost

I received a call Monday night from Roger Stone, the infamous political prankster and Donald Trump confidant. He wanted to talk about Anthony Scaramucci, whose 10-day tenure as White House communications director had just ended in ignominy.

Stone said that Scaramucci reminded him of “a suicide bomber,” then switched centuries for his next metaphor. “The administration is like the French Revolution,” Stone said. “You never know who will be beheaded next.”

But Stone didn’t believe that Scaramucci would stay far from the president for long. “As you know, none of us are ever really gone. He still has the president’s cellphone, the president’s private number. Just because he’s not in the White House, no one should think his influence has gone.”

When I spoke to Scaramucci on Tuesday afternoon, the financier was more interested in justifying his recent past.

From the beginning of his time in the Trump White House, way back on July 20, critics said that Scaramucci was too similar to Trump, too eager to be on TV, to last. Scaramucci was keenly aware of that particular liability. It explains why his opening news conference was so filled with compliments for the president. He knew there was only one person watching whose opinion of him mattered.

“The president thought I killed it,” Scaramucci told me the following day, still clearly hyped up by his experience in the White House briefing room.

“If you were 7 inches taller, I’d be worried,” Trump told Scaramucci, according to someone familiar with the conversation who asked not to be named quoting the president.

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But on Monday morning, Scaramucci knew he was cooked. Retired Marine Gen. John Kelly, the new chief of staff, who insisted that all White House staff report to him, asked for his resignation. “It was a very polite conversation,” Scaramucci says.

Scaramucci then went to see Trump, who was unavailable. He ended up speaking with the president, his daughter Ivanka Trump and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, separately later in the day by telephone. All were gracious, he said. “The president told me he knows I have his back, but he has to try to tighten the ship.”

So what are you going to do next, I asked him.

“I am now going to go dark,” he said.

And then?

“Then I will reemerge.” He paused. “As me.”

The rest of the article is sort of sad and shows somebody who had no clue what he was stepping into and didn't handle anything well including the exposure of his personal life and pending divorce.

He had great plans he was working on before getting fired...he even gave CNN his plan READ: Anthony Scaramucci's communications plan. It looked good as an outline but he never got the chance to implement anything before being escorted from the White House.

But hey, me made a ton of money selling his business and he's famous so now he can be a bon vivant of politics–heck, he could prolly get a news commentary on cable where his potty mouth could make him a lot of money...
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4622 on: August 03, 2017, 03:46:07 am »

I kinda miss him already!

But hey, me made a ton of money selling his business and he's famous so now he can be a bon vivant of politics–heck, he could prolly get a news commentary on cable where his potty mouth could make him a lot of money...

Could go on Bill Maher's show, they both speak the same language.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4623 on: August 03, 2017, 06:51:28 am »






One thing I have always wondered.  What exactly does the President keep in those drawers?  His staff has its own staff that probably has even their own staff to take care of stuff. The President only has to twitch an eyebrow and there are aids standing by to supply what ever material he needs.  Those look like dressers that one would find in a bedroom.


 
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4624 on: August 03, 2017, 06:57:55 am »

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Golf writes that no president has ever played the sport better.

Trump "clearly loves the game, and even at 71 is easily the best golfer who has ever lived in the White House," the magazine said.

I understand that Kim Jong Il made five holes-in-one the first time he played golf.  Kim shot 38 under par.
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4625 on: August 03, 2017, 07:13:55 am »

More battle lines drawn...

Justice Dept. to Take On Affirmative Action in College Admissions


So, Trump and his Minions™ (Miller and Bannon) seem to be waving a shiny object in the eyes of the Trump base by sating the DOJ is gonna make it more difficult for minorities to get a break from affirmative action.
The big complaint of discrimination is now coming from Asian Americans who are being "capped" because they're moving towards majority in many schools.  Schools are preferring other races, mainly whites, over Asians.   If Trump does away with preferences, Asians, not whites would benefit and have higher admissions rates.  Whites would go down.  Another fake news article to smear Trump and twist what he's doing. If the Justice Department does away with race preferences, people will be admitted based on academic performance and other skills but not based on the color of their skin.  The time for race discrimination is over. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

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« Reply #4626 on: August 03, 2017, 07:52:16 am »

Robert. The cost of labor is determined by scarcity.   Illegals allow employers to pay less for labor because there's more people to choose from. So instead of Americans getting the jobs,  many illegals get them. This is even worse because illegals are often willing to work for less than minimum wage. American workers can't even compete. 

Also,  the cost of illegals is not offset by the taxes they pay.   School costs, Medicare,  Obama care,  welfare,  food stamps,  etc. are paid for by citizens.   These costs much higher than the taxes the illegals pay.   Illegals are great for employers who lower their production costs.   But they're terrible for society in general as it increases costs for everyone else.

You seem to be implying that the unfettered free market is contributing to illegal immigration by its pursuit of low-cost labour. Maybe this could be addressed by more close oversight of these businesses then, to prevent them from hiring illegals. You're not advocating more regulation, are you?  :)
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Re: Trump II
« Reply #4627 on: August 03, 2017, 07:54:29 am »

The big complaint of discrimination is now coming from Asian Americans who are being "capped" because they're moving towards majority in many schools.  Schools are preferring other races, mainly whites, over Asians.   If Trump does away with preferences, Asians, not whites would benefit and have higher admissions rates.  Whites would go down.  Another fake news article to smear Trump and twist what he's doing. If the Justice Department does away with race preferences, people will be admitted based on academic performance and other skills but not based on the color of their skin.  The time for race discrimination is over. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/white-students-unfair-advantage-in-admissions.html

Wow.  Did I call it right.  Now the NY Times is already backing off its fake news article that it was to support whites that Trump's DOJ started the investigation.  They must have read my post.  This just goes to show how quick to distort and create the fake news that the NY Times and the Washington Post and all the other Trump haters feel.  We "get" it. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/asian-americans-complaint-prompted-justice-inquiry-of-college-admissions.html

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« Reply #4628 on: August 03, 2017, 08:12:04 am »

You seem to be implying that the unfettered free market is contributing to illegal immigration by its pursuit of low-cost labour. Maybe this could be addressed by more close oversight of these businesses then, to prevent them from hiring illegals. You're not advocating more regulation, are you?  :)
I've been recommending that for years.  There have been laws on the books for decades making it illegal to hire people who are not citizens or who don't have a green card or other legal right to work in America.  All the government has to do is prosecute a couple of business owners and send them to jail for hiring illegals.  Employment of illegals would stop over night.  Mexicans would stay in Mexico.  Central Americans would go no further than Mexico.  You won't have to build a wall and you could fire most of the immigration guards along the border and use the rest to stop illegal drug smuggling exclusively. 

The truth of the matter is we have this problem of huge illegal population because everyone has looked the other way.  We want cheap labor.  Of course, this hurts poor blacks and other people at the lower end of the economic scale.  So when Trump says the wall and other immigration policies will help the poor and Blacks so they should vote for him, he's telling the truth.  It's the phony Democrats who want the Latino vote and Republicans who want cheap labor that favor the status quo. Nobody gives a damn about the poor black American except Trump.   

Which brings up another matter.  Trump wants to cut immigration in half and require good skills and the ability to support one's family of the people who are allowed to immigrate.  This follows some of the rules that Canada and Australia use.  The point is that skilled workers benefit America.  Unskilled workers just add a burden to the taxpayer as their families have to be supported with health care, and other government handouts at taxpayer expense.  Also, unskilled immigrants compete with unskilled and poor American workers, similarly as do illegal immigrants.  So even though Trump's policy would help American poor and black, he's being castigated as anti-immigrant. 

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« Reply #4629 on: August 03, 2017, 08:31:48 am »

I know you are talking to Alan here, but I feel the need to comment. 

You are not correct on this.   

I, myself, do not deal with regulations as a photographer, but my clients (architects and GCs mainly) do.  Not a single one of them would agree with you.  They could all site multiple projects that either did not even start or went extremely over budget, so the quality of the project suffered in other areas, due to regulations, some of which make no sense. 

They would all say we are over-regulated and that regulations are costing businesses.

I found the podcast I was referring to: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/01/28/381652827/episode-599-the-invisible-wall.
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« Reply #4630 on: August 03, 2017, 08:36:48 am »

I've been recommending that for years.  There have been laws on the books for decades making it illegal to hire people who are not citizens or who don't have a green card or other legal right to work in America.  All the government has to do is prosecute a couple of business owners and send them to jail for hiring illegals.  Employment of illegals would stop over night.  Mexicans would stay in Mexico.  Central Americans would go no further than Mexico.  You won't have to build a wall and you could fire most of the immigration guards along the border and use the rest to stop illegal drug smuggling exclusively. 

The truth of the matter is we have this problem of huge illegal population because everyone has looked the other way.  We want cheap labor.  Of course, this hurts poor blacks and other people at the lower end of the economic scale.  So when Trump says the wall and other immigration policies will help the poor and Blacks so they should vote for him, he's telling the truth.  It's the phony Democrats who want the Latino vote and Republicans who want cheap labor that favor the status quo. Nobody gives a damn about the poor black American except Trump.   

Which brings up another matter.  Trump wants to cut immigration in half and require good skills and the ability to support one's family of the people who are allowed to immigrate.  This follows some of the rules that Canada and Australia use.  The point is that skilled workers benefit America.  Unskilled workers just add a burden to the taxpayer as their families have to be supported with health care, and other government handouts at taxpayer expense.  Also, unskilled immigrants compete with unskilled and poor American workers, similarly as do illegal immigrants.  So even though Trump's policy would help American poor and black, he's being castigated as anti-immigrant.

Every immigration wave has had an economic benefit, and every such wave has produced critics who believed the opposite. Why is this time any different?
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« Reply #4631 on: August 03, 2017, 09:05:14 am »

I fail to see how this relates to my comment on over-regulation.   ???

Only in that it was the interview in that podcast that mentioned that the USA is relatively unregulated, fourth best in the world from that measure. The main point of the podcast supports what you said.

No one is contesting that silly regulations stifle enterprise. That is self-evident, I'd say. The point in my earlier thread was that what we call regulation varies from person to person and from time to time. A large swath of the population at one point thought that pollution controls on cars was over-regulation.

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« Reply #4632 on: August 03, 2017, 09:05:56 am »

I found the podcast I was referring to: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/01/28/381652827/episode-599-the-invisible-wall.
I read the transcript. Nice story; amazing guy that Peruvian deSoto.    A year-and-a-half to open a bakery in Egypt.  Just shows how terrible regulations are. 

I'll tell you one I faced over and over again in NYC.  Building codes require the manufacturer's name and model number of fans installed in buildings.  Even for little fractional horsepower ones like you put in windows to exhaust a storage room.  So whenever we had to do that, we had to pay the architect and engineers to file updated plans with the Building's Department.  The original filing would not have that information because it was unknown until the contractor installed the fan.  Only the HP size of the fan was listed.  So it cost upwards of a $1000 to re-file the plans for an exhaust fan that cost maybe $150.  Nuts!  It serves no purpose to list the manufacturer and model number.  If it failed, by that time the original unit would no longer be available.  It would just have to be replaced with any fan of the same size.  In any case, no one would ever check the original plans or care about the manufacturer.  When I asked the Director of the Building's Department for a reason, he couldn't give me any except. "Well, it's the way we've been doing it for years."  Typical bureaucratic response.  Regulations gone amuck. 

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« Reply #4633 on: August 03, 2017, 09:27:48 am »

Every immigration wave has had an economic benefit, and every such wave has produced critics who believed the opposite. Why is this time any different?

Frankly, I have a soft spot in my heart for immigrants.  My grandparents were immigrants.  Also, someone has to pay for the Social Security I'm getting.  :)

But there is a difference between today and years ago.  Back then, there was little in the way of free government services.  If you needed help it came from your church or synagogue, from charitable organizations, or from friends and family.  So people had to get on with it. They couldn't loaf around.  They may have spoken their original language at home but spoke English in the marketplace.  They wanted to be an American. 

Today, things are different.  It costs a fortune to school, medically care for and support immigrants.  It's not just a federal problem but a big state and local community problem.  My school taxes is 55% of my property tax bill.  There's not the same incentive to get work and get ahead.  Many people come to America to sponge off of our society instead of being part of and contributing to it as past immigrants did.  I'm not saying all.  But a lot.  Requiring immigrants to have skills before being let in is not something Trump invented.  It's been around for decades. 

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« Reply #4634 on: August 03, 2017, 01:11:49 pm »

FWIW, between 1860 and 1930, the foreign-born portion of the U.S. population averaged 13.6 percent. It was 14.8 percent in 1910. The foreign-born population in 2013 was 13%. Things actually haven't changed much.
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« Reply #4635 on: August 03, 2017, 01:18:24 pm »

My school taxes is 55% of my property tax bill. 
you have to blame teachers unions (tenures,  pensions instead of 401K, etc) for that and interest groups imposing various expenditures - not immigrants... school buses, my a$$ ??? I walked to school and back... as a side effect there were rarely any fat kids ever.
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« Reply #4636 on: August 03, 2017, 01:39:45 pm »

Now, I do realize I kind of contradicted myself here by saying immigrants have grit, but then criticized some of them for lack of value.  So I obviously do not have the complete answer to this, but do think some form of merit based system would be beneficial, along with 58% of the rest of the country.  The policy needs to be formed in a way to not discourage those with value from coming here. 

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"Nobody knew immigration reform could be so complicated!"
   — Donald J. Trump, sometime in the near future.

The idea of changing the balance between family-based immigration and employment-based immigration was considered and supported by the Clinton and George W. Bush Administrations as part of what is known within the federal government as "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" (CIR).  The Obama Administration also approved of this change, but gave up on trying to push new legislation because it concluded—almost certainly correctly—that given the increase in right-wing influence within the Republican majority in the House of Representatives there was no possibility of passing CIR.

Aside from the technical issues, putting together an immigration reform program is politically complicated because there is no way either the Democrats or the Republicans can pass it without support from the other party.  The Bush Administration developed an expertly-crafted bill in consultation with Congressional immigration experts representing both parties and both chambers of Congress, only to have it go down in flames because influential Hispanic organizations were disappointed with its treatment of undocumented aliens.

The fundamental problem is that there is a limited constituency for moving toward an employment-based immigration scheme: mainly, immigration specialists inside the government, and private and government economists.  The business community is far more concerned with non-immigrant visa policy because sponsorship of non-immigrant visa applicants is essential in many industries, from high-tech to agriculture, for acquiring workers to do jobs for which U.S. citizens and permanent residents don't qualify or aren't interested in doing.

The constituency that really cares about immigrant visa policy is composed of U.S. citizens and current permanent residents who want to sponsor relatives.  The citizens, of course, are voters, and in some states they are sufficiently concentrated that members of Congress, of either party, feel compelled to take their concerns very seriously.

That's where CIR comes in.  Recent national administrations have assembled proposals that were intended to move toward an employment-based immigrant policy, restrict to close relatives the availability of family-based immigrant visas, provide businesses with an enlarged pool of non-immigrant visa applicants where there are genuine shortages of domestic workers, reduce the abuse of some non-immigrant visa categories (for example by foreign "job shops" that exploit the H-1B skilled worker category), and normalize the status of undocumented ("illegal") aliens.  Aside from the fact that all these policies have strong support among immigration experts, the idea is that by tackling a series of known issues simultaneously it may be possible to assemble a bipartisan political coalition broad enough to get legislation through both chambers of Congress and onto the desk of the president.

It hasn't happened yet.  I haven't seen the language of the latest bill, but I wouldn't hold my breath that it will fare any better than the other proposals that have been offered over the last 20 or so years.
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« Reply #4637 on: August 03, 2017, 02:18:52 pm »

normalize the status of undocumented ("illegal") aliens. 
illegal ("undocumented") aliens do not have any status... there is nothing to normalize in the first place... deport (@ their own cost : no money = chain gang, build roads, earn the ticket) but w/o taking an ability to apply legally for a non immigrant (or immigrant) visa abroad and that's it.
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« Reply #4638 on: August 03, 2017, 02:23:04 pm »

The fundamental problem is that there is a limited constituency for moving toward an employment-based immigration scheme: mainly, immigration specialists inside the government, and private and government economists.  The business community is far more concerned with non-immigrant visa policy because sponsorship of non-immigrant visa applicants is essential in many industries, from high-tech to agriculture, for acquiring workers with jobs for which U.S. citizens and permanent residents don't qualify or aren't interested in doing.

H-1B (and many others) is a "dual intent" visa - it is a non-immigrant visa that allows a status holder legally to have immigration intents and actively seek change of status ... EBGC sponsorship is the benefit that "tech" companies (and "bodyshops") use to attract foreigners to join them on H-1B.
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« Reply #4639 on: August 03, 2017, 03:22:11 pm »

The idea of changing the balance between family-based immigration and employment-based immigration was considered and supported by the Clinton and George W. Bush Administrations as part of what is known within the federal government as "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" (CIR).  The Obama Administration also approved of this change, but gave up on trying to push new legislation because it concluded—almost certainly correctly—that given the increase in right-wing influence within the Republican majority in the House of Representatives there was no possibility of passing CIR.

Aside from the technical issues, putting together an immigration reform program is politically complicated because there is no way either the Democrats or the Republicans can pass it without support from the other party.  The Bush Administration developed an expertly-crafted bill in consultation with Congressional immigration experts representing both parties and both chambers of Congress, only to have it go down in flames because influential Hispanic organizations were disappointed with its treatment of undocumented aliens.

The fundamental problem is that there is a limited constituency for moving toward an employment-based immigration scheme: mainly, immigration specialists inside the government, and private and government economists.  The business community is far more concerned with non-immigrant visa policy because sponsorship of non-immigrant visa applicants is essential in many industries, from high-tech to agriculture, for acquiring workers with jobs for which U.S. citizens and permanent residents don't qualify or aren't interested in doing.

The constituency that really cares about immigrant visa policy is composed of U.S. citizens and current permanent residents who want to sponsor relatives.  The citizens, of course, are voters, and in some states they are sufficiently concentrated that members of Congress, of either party, feel compelled to take their concerns very seriously.

That's where CIR comes in.  Recent national administrations have assembled proposals that were intended to move toward an employment-based immigrant policy, restrict to close relatives the availability of family-based immigrant visas, provide businesses with an enlarged pool of non-immigrant visa applicants where there are genuine shortages of domestic workers, reduce the abuse of some non-immigrant visa categories (for example by foreign "job shops" that exploit the H-1B skilled worker category), and normalize the status of undocumented ("illegal") aliens.  Aside from the fact that all these policies have strong support among immigration experts, the idea is that by tackling a series of known issues simultaneously it may be possible to assemble a bipartisan political coalition broad enough to get legislation through both chambers of Congress and onto the desk of the president.

It hasn't happened yet.  I haven't seen the language of the latest bill, but I wouldn't hold my breath that it will fare any better than the other proposals that have been offered over the last 20 or so years.

Thank you, it's so refreshing to hear facts instead of polemics. But since it's longer than a sound bite, requiring an attention span, it will likely go unread. Am I being too cynical?

I wonder when people will finally get tired of the paralysis brought on by polarizing emotions.
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