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Hassy H wides
« on: June 09, 2016, 05:41:08 am »

Dear Hassy users,

I was wondering what the current view is about the image quality of the 3 H wides lenses: 24, 28 and 35mm.
- sharpness
- micro-detail
- flare behavior
- ...

I used to own the 35mm and use it on an H1 many years ago near the end of my film days, but don't have a very accurate recollection of its qualities.

Also, as a side input, how bad is Phocus 3 on OSX with fast hardware?

thank you.

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Bernard
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 05:52:09 am »

I have the 28 with a H5D-50c and it is excellent in my opinion. Also, with this slightly smaller sensor (32.9x43.9mm) there is no vignetting with the 100mm LEE Filter system, even when using 3 filters stacked (e.g. 1 ND + 1 ND Grad + 1 Pol)
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2016, 07:49:35 am »

On your last question, I ran a quick test last week on both Capture One 9 and Phocus 3 with RAW files on a recent Mac. They were both doing fine, except that for some reasons Phocus was MUCH slower than Capture One when exporting files in high res 16 bit TIFF.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2016, 10:34:16 am »

Wouldn't it be nice if you could rotate the polo separate from the NDs
The 28 has some flare issues, it also hates to be tilted upwards, too bad the HTS is 1.5x but overall the 28 kills, don't think you'll regret buying one. As for the newer 50mm iI you would be hard pressed to find better optics I use it with the 1.7x, the HTS and naked it's rock solid and extremely sharp! Auto focus is spot on, sorry don't own the 24 thought about it though shot one several times it's just not that much needed in my arsenal.
I will say stiching with the HTS and the 28 is flawless.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2016, 10:38:30 am »

Dear Hassy users,

I was wondering what the current view is about the image quality of the 3 H wides lenses: 24, 28 and 35mm.
- sharpness
- micro-detail
- flare behavior
- ...

I used to own the 35mm and use it on an H1 many years ago near the end of my film days, but don't have a very accurate recollection of its qualities.

Also, as a side input, how bad is Phocus 3 on OSX with fast hardware?

thank you.

Regards,
Bernard



In to phocus minor adjustments very minor out as tiff into LR a few tweeks into PS final touches back to LR and print or whatever very easy process quickly done. Yes does take some time to export to an external flash drive but not bad.

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2016, 11:43:53 am »

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=94852.0

The 35mm is the weakest of them, the oldest of them, and the only one that'll cover the full size 60/80/100mp chips.  I love the 28mm, it works as a walk around lens quite well, while the 24mm will show the normal distortion of WA lenses.

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2016, 03:45:49 pm »

I have the 28 with a H5D-50c and it is excellent in my opinion. Also, with this slightly smaller sensor (32.9x43.9mm) there is no vignetting with the 100mm LEE Filter system, even when using 3 filters stacked (e.g. 1 ND + 1 ND Grad + 1 Pol)

This is *really* good to know. Thank you!
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2016, 08:49:26 am »

IMHO the 28mm is the best, the 35mm the weakest, but it does not match the 50mm II in sharpness and contrast.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2016, 08:58:05 am »

IMHO the 28mm is the best, the 35mm the weakest, but it does not match the 50mm II in sharpness and contrast.

Thanks. You mean that, although the 28mm is the best wide, it still isn't as good as the 50mmII?

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Bernard

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2016, 04:24:51 am »

Thanks. You mean that, although the 28mm is the best wide, it still isn't as good as the 50mmII?

Yes, sorry if not completely clear. Among the lenses I have / tried my ranking for sharpness and contrast (in declining order) is as follows :

HC 210mm
HC 50mm II
HC 28mm
HC 100mm
HC 35mm

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2016, 06:58:29 am »

The 24 and 28mm do not cover the full 100 Mpix sensor. On a smaller sensor, they are both excellent. The 24mm, however, is quite slow.

The 35mm is much better than its reputation. It may lack a bit of contrast full open, but that clears nicely when closing down to f/8-f/11. It has a very nice rendering and bokeh full open.

There are reviews and samples of Hasselblad lenses in this forum: http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?board=20.0
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2016, 07:53:58 pm »

There are reviews and samples of Hasselblad lenses in this forum: http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php?board=20.0

Thanks, very interesting resource indeed. I read most of the posts in that forum this weekend.

The one area that I find worrying is the very strong negative feedbacks about the colors generated by the H6D vs former CCD based backs.

Does somebody on this forum have first hand experience with the H6D and what is your view colorwise?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2016, 09:09:00 pm »

Actually the colours on the new backs are more accurate with a lower delta-e than the previous generation chips. The user in question was comparing with an older back (which had the wrong IR filter on it) that he had tweaked over time and become used to.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2016, 10:02:25 pm »

Actually the colours on the new backs are more accurate with a lower delta-e than the previous generation chips. The user in question was comparing with an older back (which had the wrong IR filter on it) that he had tweaked over time and become used to.

Good to know, thanks Nick.

Now, are accurate colors a garantee of pleasant skin tones?

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2016, 12:57:40 am »

Hi Bernard
I was at the launch and we shot a pretty girl with nice skin, certainly looked good to me, I think Hasselblad have always rendered good skin.

I am however a food shooter not a fashion guy so best ask one of them.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2016, 01:31:48 am »

Hi Bernard
I was at the launch and we shot a pretty girl with nice skin, certainly looked good to me, I think Hasselblad have always rendered good skin.

I am however a food shooter not a fashion guy so best ask one of them.

Sure, Nick. thanks for the feedback.

I'd be very surprised indeed if Hassy released to the market a strategic product not meeting the expectation of their core shooter's community.

cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2016, 03:14:00 am »

Good to know, thanks Nick.

Now, are accurate colors a garantee of pleasant skin tones?

Delta E measurements on color accuracy are mostly meaningless for general-purpose photography. Delta E only makes sense for a colorimetric ("scene-referred") profile, which requires that there is no contrast curve applied, and you use this only for reproduction work. For any general-purpose photography you apply a "film curve" and then you throw out any Delta E numbers through the window. Still anyone knows that a film curve is required to make a normal scene to look realistic, linear curve looks flat and dull. There is however no standard to measure "perceptual accuracy", that is how realistic colors look after the film curve is applied.

In our color perception contrast and saturation is connected. If you increase contrast you must also increase saturation, otherwise colors will appear desaturated. But there are also other more subtle effects.

When it comes to "pleasing skin tones", my experience from color profile design is that the hue/saturation is only a one part of the problem, how the colors rolls off into the white point is very important for the look, especially for high key portraits. The shadow range of the curve also needs a small saturation push to not look desaturated, and then on top you can add "beutifying" modifications like compressing the skintone hue range to even out skin.

Profile designers available to photographers are generally good at making reproduction profiles, but has generally no strategy at all to convert that reproduction profile to a general purpose profile when a curve is applied, but instead just put a RGB or a RGB-HSV (DNG-style) curve on top which does increase saturation, but not in a perceptually accurate way, or even a pleasing way.

Commercial profiles are designed with inhouse tools, unavailable to users. It's very difficult to replicate and is an important part of the "trade secret" that sells cameras.

Personally I think Hasselblad is the best of medium format brands when it comes to profile design, but it's a matter of taste of course. Hasselblad's approach is to make a profile that focuses to a large extent on perceptual accuracy, and then add only very subtle subjective adjustments on top (plus a pretty strong gamut compression). If you look at say Phase One and Leaf they're much more about creating a "brand look", Phase One has their famous yellow cast for example. Their profiles are still very well-designed though, but with a distinct look which you may like or not. Worst are those that in practice are used together with third-party raw converters like Lightroom. Pentax, Leica(?) whose Lightroom profiles are pretty dreadful.

Hasselblad's colors are good also with the older CCDs which actually are quite difficult to work with due to Kodak-style subjective elements in the CFA. With the newer more neutral and extremely low noise CMOS sensors there's a better base to build color on, I haven't personally had a deep look on any of the newer Hassy backs but I have no reason to doubt that their color is still excellent.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2016, 04:17:08 am »

OK I should not have said "Delta E"

What I mean is that the colours I get from my 'blads are great.
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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2016, 08:34:59 am »


With the newer more neutral and extremely low noise CMOS sensors there's a better base to build color on, I haven't personally had a deep look on any of the newer Hassy backs but I have no reason to doubt that their color is still excellent.

Exactly as excellent as Phase One, Sony, Olympus or Pentax bodies if you use Lightroom   :P

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Re: Hassy H wides
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 10:13:37 am »


We recently did a comparison of the Hasselblad HC35mm/H5x/IQ3-100 to Phase One SK35mmLS/XF/IQ3-100. This will show you how the lens works with the Phase One 100MP sensor. Article and more sample images are available here: H5X/35mm/IQ3-100 & XF/35LS/IQ3-100 Comparison .

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