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Brand New Canon IPF6400 $1,799 - go for it?

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MHMG:

--- Quote from: Benny Profane on April 27, 2016, 09:03:36 pm ---But, will the ink still be available for the older model for some time?

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It's got to be all gravy for Canon to keep the Lucia EX set in play for several more years. There's a huge fleet of iPF8300s and iPf8400s out there all using this same cartridge set. As I noted in my prior post in this thread, the jury is still out on print longevity with the newest Canon ink set, and Lucia EX does really well in my lightfastness tests, so far outperforming the latest Epson ink set in recent test on two different media, but the latest Epson set is handily outperforming earlier Epson K3 inks, yellow being the very weak link. So, I'm in no rush at all to trade my older iPF8300 for a new model. Yes, the upgrade price to go from an iPF8300 to newer iPF8400 is close to the price of a full set of new 300ml ink cartridges plus heads (which typically need replacement every two years), but these printers are huge beasts, and the thought of getting rid of the old one and moving in a new one is so off putting to me (been there done that) that I'm inclined just to keep feeding my iPF8300 new ink cartridges until the machine itself finally bites the dust. ;D

cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com

deanwork:
There are also a lot of the larger models and the 24 inch models out there all over the world and will be for a long time.

Well, yea. They are super robust machines and the 8300 I have was made in Japan as apposed to China.
I can't see anything to wear out on the 8300 the way I use it other than the normal replacement of heads. After all this time even my paper cutter is working fine. You can fry the mainboard and other circuits in a lightning storm if you don't unplug it, but that can happen with any new printer. So, I'm like you, the last thing I want to do is move this sucker. There is no advantage to the 8400 for me or their new models if they don't add another gray. But if I didn't have one the prices now are amazing and about 1/3 the price of the new Epson P10K, which we haven't see the results of yet.

john






--- Quote from: MHMG on April 27, 2016, 09:21:05 pm ---It's got to be all gravy for Canon to keep the Lucia EX set in play for several more years. There's a huge fleet of iPF8300s and iPf8400s out there all using this same cartridge set. As I noted in my prior post in this thread, the jury is still out on print longevity with the newest Canon ink set, and Lucia EX does really well in my lightfastness tests, so far outperforming the latest Epson ink set in recent test on two different media, but the latest Epson set is handily outperforming earlier Epson K3 inks, yellow being the very weak link. So, I'm in no rush at all to trade my older iPF8300 for a new model. Yes, the upgrade price to go from an iPF8300 to newer iPF8400 is close to the price of a full set of new 300ml ink cartridges plus heads (which typically need replacement every two years), but these printers are huge beasts, and the thought of getting rid of the old one and moving in a new one is so off putting to me (been there done that) that I'm inclined just to keep feeding my iPF8300 new ink cartridges until the machine itself finally bites the dust. ;D

cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com

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BillK:
Bob,  $1799 is a great price on a 6400.  The reason the prices on the canon large format printers just dropped
is they are clearing them out because the new line coming. The new line will be more expensive than the X400
series and come with much less ink. I think the jury is still out on ink permanence of the new series.

I was once warned to buy a 44" printer over a 24" if I ever planned on printing Canvas. I didn't heed that warning
and made a big mistake.  Because of the extra material you need to stretch a canvas, a 24" is very limiting in how big you can print.
I initially bought a epson 7900, realizing my mistake, I later bought a IPF8300. A couple weeks ago my now 4 year old 8300
started throwing hardware error codes relating to a sensor that monitors the head. Considering all the options I decided to buy a new 8400
at just under 3K. It comes with 2k worth of ink, 12 330ml cartridges. The new Pro 4000 comes with about half the ink or around a 1k difference.

As a financial decision it made no sense to buy one of the new line of printers. I can still use the unused ink in the 8300 in the 8400, well over 1k in ink
that could not be used in the Pro 4000. My customers would never be able to tell the small difference in print quality from the 8400 to the Pro 4000.
The 8400 will be here tomorrow, just tossed the 7900 in the trash to make room for it. I was told the discounts on the canon printers right now "MIGHT" only last
till the end of April, so you don't have much time to make a decision. I think it depends on how fast they sell their remaining stock.

If you still plan on doing art shows, your best profit margin is in big pieces.   Takes a ton of small stuff to add up to much.

My 2cents

Bill

Benny Profane:
Ok, I searched, but, hard to find the answer to this question. Is this printer much more reliable as a serious home printer that may sit unused for a few months, at least, than the Epsons? I have worked with Epsons in fairly high volume and consistent environments, but the horror stories I have read here about clogged heads when used lightly make me recoil from the thought, even the newer models. At least the Canon head is user serviceable, and fairly affordable.

Richard.Wills:
How big is your garage?

These machines do like to be used - nastiest thing you can do to them is let them sit for months on end. That said, the Canons do run clean processes automaticaly.
I've run a couple of ipf - 8300 and 8400 under moderate volume, in a workspace that is typically under 40%RH. I have a small shelf of dead printheads (possibly the 8300 was a yellow citrus fruit in disguise, but that is what warranties are there for), but these are a quick swap out, plus a glug of ink.

The 8x00 is way more forgiving of low RH than (our still running) 9800. You do get clogged nozzles, but less so in my experience than on the Epsons. I believe that Utah is somewhat drier than London, but a relatively small room with several MacPros, multiple screens, and aircon can also make a pretty unforgiving environment!

At that price, if it were available leftpond, I'd buy two, and store one for the inks and spare heads

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