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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2016, 09:30:05 am »

Yeah. Stupid whiners. Don't they know that monopolies are good?

Look at all the good things OPEC does, and who doesn't fondly recall the benevolent Ma Bell? And then, of course, there's your local cable companies here in the USA using their monopoly to succor the poor and uplift the starving!
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2016, 10:54:11 am »

...What would rational consumers do?
Get conscious, get organized, make user groups on dedicated sites, tell Adobe that a greedy behaviour is not the way ahead. And if Adobe wouldn't listen - organize hidden lending of their software, yes - crack and use for free...

What's stopping you?

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« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2016, 12:07:10 pm »

Now, if only Bernie would add free Photoshop and Lightroom to his platform, I would seriously reconsider my voting preferences.

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« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2016, 12:20:49 pm »

Yeah. Stupid whiners. Don't they know that monopolies are good?

Apparently you manage without Adobe - "I'm not an Adobe customer." - so I guess that many others could manage without Adobe too, if they choose.
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« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2016, 12:29:21 pm »

Why is Adobe pushing honest customers into the arms of the crackers?

It is not.

Honest customers choose to be honest -- use some other software instead of CC or use CC according to the license conditions.
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« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2016, 04:17:09 pm »

There are excellent reasons that subscription models increase revenues. A big one is that consumers are not rational actors.
An argument based on the assumption that consumers are rational actors is ludicrous and instantly dismissable. You might as well support your argument with the assertion that the earth is flat.
Right, all 6 million customers are a bunch of irrational rubes.

"All generalizations are false, including this one".
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« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2016, 04:53:56 pm »

Had kitchen sink clogged. Joe The Plumber said: $300. I faint. He sympathizes: I can do it for $200 if you subscribe to our $16.95 monthly  service. Rationally, I accept. True story, btw. Then I turn around and look at Adobe's $9.95 for the most sophisticated image editing software duo on the planet and curse: "Damn you, greedy corporate bastards!"

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« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2016, 05:12:06 pm »

Oh, there's six MILLION customers?

That changes everything. Well known facts about human buying behaviors simply melt away in the case of six MILLION samples.

Ideas like average, standard deviation, distributions, and probability likewise simply evaporate in the face of these large numbers of customers.

It is to laugh.
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« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2016, 05:19:25 pm »

Oh, there's six MILLION customers?
6.1 million to be exact as of last December's stats. By your POV, all idiots, forced to subscribe, all fooled.
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« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2016, 05:19:32 pm »

...Well known facts about human buying behaviors...

So, Adobe is to blame for knowing about well-known facts?

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« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2016, 05:30:35 pm »

I think Adobe is quite clever.

I just don't think they are a particularly philanthropic. There interested in making more money rather than less from their products, and they presumably have done at least some basic research into how to accomplish that.
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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2016, 05:36:00 pm »

... They are interested in making more money rather than less ...

Nooooooo! Who would have thought!?

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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2016, 05:37:31 pm »

It's madness, isn't it?
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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2016, 06:34:17 pm »

I just don't think they are a particularly philanthropic.
http://www.adobe.com/corporate-responsibility/community/matching-grants.html
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For every 10 hours of volunteer service an Adobe employee gives to one or more eligible community organizations, we’ll offer a Matching Grant of $250, and for every eligible group volunteer project completed by a minimum of 10 Adobe employees, we’ll offer a Matching Grant of $1,000 — up to US$10,000. 

In addition, we match employee donations of cash and securities at a 1:1 ratio to eligible IRS-qualified 501(c)3 nonprofit organizations. We encourage employees to give back and we respect their personal choices in doing so. From 2008 through 2012, Adobe contributed $10 million in matching grants and $833,000 in volunteer grants. In 2014 alone, nearly 40 percent of Adobe employees participated in the Matching Grants Program worldwide, and provided nearly $3.5 million in Matching Grants for donations of time and money just in the U.S.


It appears that reality continues to ruin your life.
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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2016, 06:38:53 pm »

digitaldog, your startling inability ability to understand what people mean by their words continues to astound me.
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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2016, 06:41:12 pm »

digitaldog, your startling inability ability to understand what people mean by their words continues to astound me.
Then use your words.
This from a guy who's signature states "The most important book on photography written in the last 123.743 years"
Hard to tell when you're serious or just joking around. Probably why so many don't take your writings so seriously.
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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2016, 06:44:50 pm »

See? There you are. If you genuinely cannot tell that my signature is a joke, then you suffer from some moderately severe problem with comprehension. Perhaps english is not your first language, or perhaps you are, as the kids say these days "not neurotypical".

I don't actually believe that you have any trouble with comprehension, though, I think your lack of comprehension is selective, and you use it when you see an opportunity to attack, not because you have actually misunderstood anything.

And while I am flattered to learn that you have been carrying out extensive polling to determine what percentage of people do and do not "take my writings seriously" I have to suggest that this sort of obsession is some sort of borderline crazy, and you should consider ceasing before we have to get difficult with restraining orders and so on.
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« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2016, 07:00:54 pm »

See? There you are. If you genuinely cannot tell that my signature is a joke, then you suffer from some moderately severe problem with comprehension.
Actually I think pretty much everything you write is a joke. Seems I'm not alone.
Sorry if dismissing your silly ideas with facts, (like the number of subscribers to CC or the kinds of philanthropic work a company you tell us doesn't produce actually produce) ruffles your delicate feathers. Now that you've driven this topic far OT...
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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2016, 07:04:27 pm »

You should be delighted, because you've been trying to trash this thread from the third post, because you're a shameless Adobe shill!

Happy to help!
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2016, 07:09:26 pm »

You should be delighted, because you've been trying to trash this thread from the third post, because you're a shameless Adobe shill!
The absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument. But I fully understand that the text above is yet another of your jokes.
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