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Phocus and Lightroom
« on: November 11, 2015, 05:51:26 am »

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Re: Phocus and Lightroom
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 06:04:05 am »

I have a H4D-50 and have done a little bit comparison between Lightroom and Phocus.

Phocus have better color profiles, better tuned noise reduction, and slightly better demosaicing (less aliasing artifacts). So the base image quality is definitely better, but if it's so much better that it has any meaning to you only you can decide.

Phocus is not so good when it comes to post-processing features, tonemapping etc. A common workflow among Hassy users is to just do a basic conversion to TIFF in Phocus and then post-process in Photoshop, I guess you could use Lightroom on the TIFFs too.

If you want to maximize the potential that's probably a good way to do it.

I myself use custom profiles in RawTherapee, but then I'm a contributer to those projects. I don't think RawTherapee is suitable for the typical pro photographer. Using custom profiles in Lightroom can be an alternative, had I been professional that would be a quite likely scenario for me.

Adobe Lightroom doesn't have that good reputation concerning colors in the MFD world, and I tend to agree, the "Adobe Standard" colors are often not so good. With a good custom profile Lightroom becomes a much better tool to work with. Not all agree on this though, some think Adobe's colors are great so again you need to judge that too for yourself.
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Re: Phocus and Lightroom
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 07:31:33 am »

For convenience, I use Lightroom for Hasselblad Digital Back CF-MS 39. The back is capable of MS, but it does not work on Contax 645.
The result is different from Phocus. In the cases I paid attention, the Phocus presents richer colors, but it did not make me to stick with Phocus.
I have not done a systematic comparisons. Maybe I should, maybe I should pay more attention on the advantages.

Anyone did a systematic comparison between LR and Phocus for Hasselblad digital back? What's your observation? Recommandation?

I also have CF-39MS & Contax 645, multishot does work but you need a cable as to connect the back with the remote release socket of the C645 body. Additionally to those (correct) that Torger mentions above, one should expect more than a stop of DR advantage with Phocus than with LR... There is no comparison whatsoever between the two. The only way one can get good results when processing an MFDB (any MFDB out of any maker) with LR, is to import the files on the dedicated software first, export them as DNGs and then process the DNGs with LR...
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Re: Phocus and Lightroom
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 08:59:41 am »

One should additionally add, that Phocus is one of the best engines (if not the best) for one to develop third party DSLR raws with it... For Nikon users (as I am), one can follow the same process as it is described above... Import files to Phocus, - do what is of most importance there, - export DNGs - import the DNGs to LR (or ACR - same engine as LR) and do what ever is left to be done there...
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 10:43:24 am »

One should additionally add, that Phocus is one of the best engines (if not the best) for one to develop third party DSLR raws with it... For Nikon users (as I am), one can follow the same process as it is described above... Import files to Phocus, - do what is of most importance there, - export DNGs - import the DNGs to LR (or ACR - same engine as LR) and do what ever is left to be done there...

1) Phocus does not have its own engine for developing third party dSLR files. On the Mac it uses the Apple iPhoto/Aperture engine. When doing so several of Phocus' tools are disabled, including highlight/shadow recovery, noise filter, and lens corrections.

2) The current version of Phocus (2.9.1) does not allow you to export a "third party" file as a DNG. See attached.

3) Even if it did, a DNG file (in this context*) is just a repackaged raw file. It's still raw. It does not include any processing. So any "magic math" or "look" provided by a given raw processor is lost.

If you prefer the proprietary math/processing, color engine, or look provided by a given raw processor software you can only get it by processing the file in that raw processor software. Exporting a DNG from that software will not include that math/color/look.

None of this is to say that Phocus' ability to process 3rd party files using the iPhoto/Aperture engine alongside Hassy files isn't useful. For some workflows it might be very useful. It's just not possible to use it (meaningfully) in the way you've described.

*Unless what you meant was that you could export a TIFF from Phocus and then repackage the TIFF as a DNG to edit in LightRoom or Capture One (with their more robust set of tools for things like local adjustments. But this would give up all the advantages of a raw workflow.
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Re: Phocus and Lightroom
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 11:04:25 am »

If you prefer the proprietary math/processing, color engine, or look provided by a given raw processor software you can only get it by processing the file in that raw processor software. Exporting a DNG from that software will not include that math/color/look.
you can export linear DNG with "math/color/look" included to some extent (for example you might need to include your own dcp profile and WB data inside so that the software further down the pipeline can use them to continue the rendering)... some software, like DxO raw converter, does at least part of that.
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Re: Phocus and Lightroom
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 12:42:58 pm »

1) Phocus does not have its own engine for developing third party dSLR files. On the Mac it uses the Apple iPhoto/Aperture engine. When doing so several of Phocus' tools are disabled, including highlight/shadow recovery, noise filter, and lens corrections.

2) The current version of Phocus (2.9.1) does not allow you to export a "third party" file as a DNG. See attached.

3) Even if it did, a DNG file (in this context*) is just a repackaged raw file. It's still raw. It does not include any processing. So any "magic math" or "look" provided by a given raw processor is lost.

If you prefer the proprietary math/processing, color engine, or look provided by a given raw processor software you can only get it by processing the file in that raw processor software. Exporting a DNG from that software will not include that math/color/look.

None of this is to say that Phocus' ability to process 3rd party files using the iPhoto/Aperture engine alongside Hassy files isn't useful. For some workflows it might be very useful. It's just not possible to use it (meaningfully) in the way you've described.

*Unless what you meant was that you could export a TIFF from Phocus and then repackage the TIFF as a DNG to edit in LightRoom or Capture One (with their more robust set of tools for things like local adjustments. But this would give up all the advantages of a raw workflow.

Hi Doug,

I'm not familiar with Phocus 2.9.1 DNGs as I usually finish the processing in Phocus for my back and my DSLRs, although sometimes I use Capture One for the DSLRs too... However, I do remember testing to export DNGs with earlier versions of phocus out of my DSLRs raws and I'm pretty sure the math/color/look data where preserved in LR... If I remember well, the phocus DNG, was never a "true" DNG file, but it was automatically exported as what you describe as "repackaged Tiffs", so it did retain the math/color/look... Now if any of the above has changed with 2.9.1, I am not aware off as it doesn't affect my processing pipeline, but I will check it out of curiosity...

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 01:15:10 pm »

Hi Doug,

I'm not familiar with Phocus 2.9.1 DNGs as I usually finish the processing in Phocus for my back and my DSLRs, although sometimes I use Capture One for the DSLRs too... However, I do remember testing to export DNGs with earlier versions of phocus out of my DSLRs raws and I'm pretty sure the math/color/look data where preserved in LR... If I remember well, the phocus DNG, was never a "true" DNG file, but it was automatically exported as what you describe as "repackaged Tiffs", so it did retain the math/color/look... Now if any of the above has changed with 2.9.1, I am not aware off as it doesn't affect my processing pipeline, but I will check it out of curiosity...

Great to know. Please post the version of Phocus which works as you've described it. I'm sure that would be helpful to those that want to use the workflow you describe.
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