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Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« on: October 21, 2015, 12:13:38 PM »

"Cropped liver", love it.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 02:23:37 PM »

That post comes in your site Under "Compact System cameras"...  ;)

About DXO rating of Sony lenses, and those to be among the best, I think this is Worth reading:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/10/sony-e-mount-lens-sharpness-bench-tests

Have a good day
Raoul
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2015, 04:00:53 PM »

Good write up. I think especially the missing primes and the missing MP is a problem with the launch of the SL. When Canon brought out the 5DIII in 2012, it was already not what people where hoping for. 3 years later on, it is even worse. I'll get that the didn't want to eat into the Leica S, but still. At the moment there isn't much difference to the M with a EVF.

They should have made the SL a digital Mamiya7 with the Leica S Sensor. That would have been cool.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2015, 05:45:27 PM »

I suspect that what we were hoping for was an interchangeable lens Q.  The SL is neither fish nor fowl: it is bulky and it doesn't seem to be optimized for M lenses (even if it is no worse than the A7r II).

Out of the gate, it seems to be a triopod camera. but shoots at 11fps.  Not clear what use that would serve.

The adapters will take months to arrive and will be very expensive as they will need to read 6-bit codings, so the lack of lenses will persist.

I suspect that I will wait this one out.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 05:47:50 PM »

Good article  :)

Look forward to this pushing EVF performance to a new level. Hope the claims Leica make are true...

It will not surprise me if they follow with a higher MP version as the lens lines starts to build

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2015, 06:11:26 PM »

Only one very small nit: 0 degrees latitude, 0 degrees longitude is situated in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of West Africa. :o

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2015, 10:09:21 PM »

Only one very small nit: 0 degrees latitude, 0 degrees longitude is situated in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of West Africa. :o

Tony Jay

Of course it is. My bad.

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2015, 10:47:02 PM »

This camera is really puzzling to me.  Who is in the market for this camera?  Even if I won the lottery I wouldn't buy this.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2015, 11:31:30 PM »

"Parenthetically, three of the top ten lenses ever tested by DxO Labs are Sony G or Sony/Zeiss, so, while Leica glass is almost always superb, it’s not as if what Sony offers is cropped liver."

Be aware of the potential fallacy in this "top ten" list.  It is based on the DxOMark Score, which in turn is related to resolution of the camera used for the test.  While DxO has tested various lenses on Sony and Nikon 36mp bodies, they apparently have yet to test any lenses on a 50mp Canon 5DS or 5DSR.  Canon lenses are pretty much ruled out from being on the current "top ten" list by virtue of the Canon lenses all having been tested on lower resolution bodies like the 5D3 & 5D2.  If they test Leica SL lenses, Leica will have the same problem as the camera is 24mp.

No doubt the Sony and Sony/Zeiss lenses are excellent, but they might not comprise three of the top ten if not for this quirk of DxO ranking.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2015, 11:49:28 PM »

"Parenthetically, three of the top ten lenses ever tested by DxO Labs are Sony G or Sony/Zeiss, so, while Leica glass is almost always superb, it’s not as if what Sony offers is cropped liver."

Be aware of the potential fallacy in this "top ten" list.  It is based on the DxOMark Score, which in turn is related to resolution of the camera used for the test.  While DxO has tested various lenses on Sony and Nikon 36mp bodies, they apparently have yet to test any lenses on a 50mp Canon 5DS or 5DSR.  Canon lenses are pretty much ruled out from being on the current "top ten" list by virtue of the Canon lenses all having been tested on lower resolution bodies like the 5D3 & 5D2.  If they test Leica SL lenses, Leica will have the same problem as the camera is 24mp.

No doubt the Sony and Sony/Zeiss lenses are excellent, but they might not comprise three of the top ten if not for this quirk of DxO ranking.

You can check http://www.lenscore.org/ for a non camera related assessment of lenses quality (they use a 200mp slow CCD with very low ISO).

Zeiss, Nikon, Canon and Leica top the ranking. Few Sony FE lenses have been tested. Those that have (such as the 55mm f1.8 with a very good reputation) are very good, but not outstanding.

Now, to be fair, most of the top lenses are either Zeiss/Leica top primes or super tele lenses.

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2015, 02:15:29 AM »

You can check http://www.lenscore.org/ for a non camera related assessment of lenses quality (they use a 200mp slow CCD with very low ISO).

Zeiss, Nikon, Canon and Leica top the ranking. Few Sony FE lenses have been tested. Those that have (such as the 55mm f1.8 with a very good reputation) are very good, but not outstanding.

Now, to be fair, most of the top lenses are either Zeiss/Leica top primes or super tele lenses.

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Bernard
They said the 55 is comparable to the Otus.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2015, 03:00:28 AM »

They said the 55 is comparable to the Otus.

Who said that?

That is clearly not what the lenscore.org results show.

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2015, 04:56:36 AM »

Good first thoughts about what seems to a puzzling camera. It does make sense within a Leica ecosystem. As with any Leica, the price makes it as a non-competitor to any other system.

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2015, 07:42:49 AM »

I think this is the usual well balanced and sensible article from Mr. Reichmann.
Being a new 'member' but long time 'lurker', I'm assuming that Leica are being silly with their toys in respect of this particular well-regarded reviewer and his opinions?

Why is it that manufacturers always think they know best? Certainly, it's not possible to create perfection, but if they behaved with a little more humility from time to time I'm sure they would dodge some of the more obvious 'bear-traps'!
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2015, 09:15:23 AM »

Good article also by Sean Reid. Quite an interesting hands on experience report. And I fully agree, this is the first pro oriented camera that uses an EVF, so it probably provides a glimpse into what the future may bring, should Canon or Nikon go down the same route.

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2015, 10:30:02 AM »

Electronic finders sound great - but try one in the dark doing Northern Lights. The brightness wipes out your night vision.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2015, 10:33:59 AM »

Electronic finders sound great - but try one in the dark doing Northern Lights. The brightness wipes out your night vision.

Btw, how do the best ones deal with PL filters these days. A few years back it was impossible to notice the change when rotating PL filters.

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2015, 10:44:51 AM »

Electronic finders sound great - but try one in the dark doing Northern Lights. The brightness wipes out your night vision.
And what good is the OVF in this situation? I have more aurora shots than I care to admit. I use the non flipping screen.
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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2015, 11:34:29 AM »

And what good is the OVF in this situation? I have more aurora shots than I care to admit. I use the non flipping screen.

Same here. When doing star trails or MW shots, I never use the EVF. I use the LCD screen with minimum brightness. Works fine. Much better than using an OVF which is as dark as the night sky...

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Re: Leica SL Initial Thougts article
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2015, 02:38:00 PM »

You can check http://www.lenscore.org/ for a non camera related assessment of lenses quality (they use a 200mp slow CCD with very low ISO).

Zeiss, Nikon, Canon and Leica top the ranking. Few Sony FE lenses have been tested. Those that have (such as the 55mm f1.8 with a very good reputation) are very good, but not outstanding.

Now, to be fair, most of the top lenses are either Zeiss/Leica top primes or super tele lenses.

Cheers,
Bernard

Yeh, that list makes more sense.  The Otus 55mm is #4 on that list, while the Sony/Zeiss FE 55/1.8 is something like #39.  Still excellent, but not quite where DxO ranks it.

Of the three Sony lenses in DxO's "top ten", two (FE35/1.4 & FE90/2.8 ) appear to be not as good as Canon's comparable lenses (35/1.4LII & 100/2.8L IS) according to the new LensRentals article linked above.  Yet, Canon lenses don't even crack the top ten thanks to their sensor-based scoring (and lack of testing on the 5DS or 5DSR).
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