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Christopher Sanderson

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Phase One XF Camera
« on: June 02, 2015, 07:31:01 am »

The waiting is over.

Let the Games begin!

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 08:20:33 am »

The new P1 camera looks like a Hasselblad.
Can anyone point out the differences?
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2015, 08:56:01 am »

...about six years of fully developed R & D

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2015, 11:41:18 am »

Hi,

Thanks for a very nice video. Kevin does a job presenting the camera.

The feature set is impressing. I wouldn't mind at all to have a camera like that, but I guess I don't feel I afford it.

Best regards
Erik


...about six years of fully developed R & D

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2015, 11:46:16 am »

Hi,

Thanks for a very nice video. Kevin does a job presenting the camera.

The feature set is impressing. I wouldn't mind at all to have a camera like that, but I guess I don't feel I afford it.

Best regards
Erik


...about six years of fully developed R & D

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2015, 12:38:52 pm »

I guess I don't feel I afford it.
one kidney 'd suffice
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2015, 02:24:49 pm »

Hi,

I would say that it is really up to the customer to decide what they want to afford. Personally I feel we go into diminishing returns past 20 MP, unless printing really large.

Regarding kidneys, I guess that it's nice to have a backup.

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Erik

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2015, 02:53:05 pm »

I would say that it is really up to the customer to decide what they want to afford. Personally I feel we go into diminishing returns past 20 MP, unless printing really large.
but is it only about MP ?
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2015, 03:05:47 pm »

I'd be interested in hearing about some use cases for this sort of thing.

I can stitch and pixel-bin my way to these pictures pretty easily, with $1000 worth of gear. So the use cases must be where that is not a feasible solution. Moving subjects? Need for quick turnaround? I dunno.

I'd like to hear about it, though!
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2015, 03:36:47 pm »

Hi,

Yes, I would say so. That is my experience. When I shoot the same subjects on both formats under similar conditions I need to check file names or EXIF to say which is which, but I seldom do that.

Best regards
Erik

but is it only about MP ?
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2015, 03:37:23 pm »

...about six years of fully developed R & D

Was the design outsourced to LEGO? ;)

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2015, 03:42:54 pm »

Was the design outsourced to LEGO? ;)
What did you expect? LEGO is the most famous Danish industrial design company!
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2015, 03:57:44 pm »

What did you expect? LEGO is the most famous Danish industrial design company!

I was hoping Bang & Olufsen, another "most famous" Danish industrial design company  ;)

Ah, the good old days when Contax asked Porsche to design its line of SLRs. Nowadays, companies seem to follow Sony's lead in designing the ugliest of the ugly cameras (the 7 line) that look like a botched middle-school design project and cardboard cutout.

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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2015, 04:22:32 pm »

It looks awesome.
Since i am Dane it makes me very proud they have created such great camera.

I always felt the old PhaseOne camera felt a like plastic. This one looks great.

Now I just need to rob a bank ;-)

P.S Next time you are in Denmark, Kevin then you are welcome to visit me and my family.



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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2015, 04:28:22 pm »

The design notes throughout are bland past, to my eye, the point of looking "clean", they look like they couldn't be bothered to hire a designer.

Which is not to say it's a bad camera, of course not.

But surely if you're asking me to drop $50K on a thing, you are aware that I want it to look completely awesome? Even distinctive?

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Phase One XF Camera and Danish design
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2015, 04:39:38 pm »

The design notes throughout are bland past, to my eye, the point of looking "clean"
Clearly a matter of taste; some people feel the same about the modern Danish furniture that I love. (P. S. yes, I like the XF look too.)

On the subject of style, I am betting that this will a popular companion watch (there should be a remote shutter release app for it): https://www.apple.com/watch/apple-watch/space-black-stainless-steel-case-space-black-link-bracelet/
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 05:37:01 pm »

The design notes throughout are bland past, to my eye, the point of looking "clean", they look like they couldn't be bothered to hire a designer.
I like it's looks. Each to their own.

Less keen on the price. But hey I have two kidneys, so one for each hand.
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2015, 07:16:16 pm »

I'm currently in Europe and the exchange rate is $1.09/euro.  Seems like I would want to buy it with Euros and save significantly over US prices ;)
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2015, 09:29:35 pm »

I can stitch and pixel-bin my way to these pictures pretty easily, with $1000 worth of gear. So the use cases must be where that is not a feasible solution. Moving subjects? Need for quick turnaround? I dunno.

One obvious aspect is the usage of Leaf Shutter lenses that make it possible to shoot flexibly with strobes in the outdoors.

Another thing is the different look resulting from the larger physical sensor.

The camera's task here is to do the best possible job at enabling the working together of those Leaf shutter lenses and the back. I would think that the XF is best in class at doing that. Phaseone appears to have done a truly outstanding job here.

The resolution is in fact mostly of secondary importance. The value of the system would be 99% the same for a majority of its actual users even if the backs were only 20MP everything else being equal. But that would scare away some of the buyers who are looking for "the best" and "the best" must also be the highest resolution capturing device. Don't get me wrong, some users will benefit from the slightly higher resolution compared to the latest DSLRs but in the grand scheme of things, 80mp and 50mp is a tiny difference for most applications.

I do agree with you that for landscape, there are much cheaper ways to get to much higher levels of image quality through the usage of stitching when applicable. This is nothing new and the new camera/back doesn't change anything as far as this is concerned.



Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Phase One XF Camera
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2015, 09:36:47 pm »

The "different look" of medium format is, well, it's a bit of a chimera.

Leaf shutters are certainly nice, but we have high-speed sync lights these days.

Combinations of these features is perhaps the point? Shooting with HSS speedlites, and stitching, are probably incompatible. Is the use case shooting swimsuit models on beaches?
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