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Dewi Sant

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Compact camera
« on: December 31, 2011, 06:27:46 am »

I'm off on another motorcycle tour of Europe in 2012 - this time with Missus Dewi so instead of taking my DSLR gear which will take up too much room in our limited luggage space I'd like a decent spec small compact camera. Criteria is: it must be available in the UK, have a fixed lens with moderate zoom, an APS size sensor, pref a viewfinder and shoot in RAW.  So far all I've been able to find is the new Fujifilm X100 which is over budget (although prices are dropping from it's original £1000+ price tag) and it's a Fuji which I've had reliabilty issues with in the past. There's also the Sigma DP2x but that's a fixed focal length and has no viewfinder - there's an aftermarket one that can be bought for it though, which isn't cheap and I'm not sure I want something that has to be added on and could get lost.

Anbody have any further suggestions? There doesn't seem to be a lot out there that fits the bill.

Dewi





 

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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2011, 08:31:39 am »

I've recently bought a Leica D-Lux 5 for this and other similar uses, and I have to say I am very impressed. It is quite well thought-out, reasonably practical to use, and feels pretty well built, too. It prints up to A3 size very well indeed. I recently had an image from it accepted for publication in an architecture magazine - who can be pretty demanding. Lens is 24-90mm equiv f.2-3.3, which seems pretty fast for a compact, so you can even get a bit of control over depth of field. RAW is proprietary rather than dng, though - but you can change that through Lightroom.

The Leica suited me over the Panasonic version as I didn't already have Lightroom - and I like the overall package and accessories Leica do for it. Panasonic is functionally the same camera, though.

It has an EVF accessory which is fairly low resolution, but actually perfectly usable - I have one, but find I rarely use it, as the rear screen is excellent. A separate (optical?) viewfinder may be the most difficult bit of your spec. If you compromise on that you can access a lot of ability in good compacts now. You may not miss your DSLR much at all!

I mostly use the ever-ready case, as I usually carry a shoulder bag with me in the pannier of my nice old BMW, but the camera can comfortably fit in the pocket of my motorcycle jacket in a soft case.

I find it's main weakness for motorcycle touring is the lack of a car charger - but presumably some far-eastern enterpise will bring one out shortly (I hope!).

I'd say this one is worth a look - and there are others in this field also worth examining.
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2011, 08:43:16 am »

Thanks Ian - sounds promising. Never thought of Leica tbh due to the usual high cost but I'll go look now.

Nice old BMW - which model would that be?  I've had a few BMWs over the years interspersed with Hondas. At present I'm riding a 2009 BMW R1200R which is the bike we'll be doing the Europe tour on next year - quick pic attached. It's a beautiful thing to ride, incredibly smooth for a twin. I've had a couple of 'R' bikes before - an 1100R and an 1100S but this one feels very refined in comparison.

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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 04:58:51 pm »

I'm off on another motorcycle tour of Europe in 2012 - this time with Missus Dewi Dewi





She must truly love you!

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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2011, 07:34:02 pm »

in the process of evaluating a Fuji X10 (which got returned for low resolution and high noise - and a few other issues) i checked out a Panasonic G3 with kit zoom - high ISO noise about 1 stop worse than my Canon 7D and resolution about the same as the 7D and 24-105 (G3 a little worse in the center but better on the edges).  there is still a pretty vast gap between all the small sensor cameras and 4-3 and APSC in noise and resolution.

since i want something for a large pocket i'm waiting for the GX1 and pancake lens, but the GX1 is available with the standard kit zoom now.  if you don't mind the bulk of the G3 it has an EVF.  with lower resolution and higher noise (but still much better than the small sensor cameras) are the Panasonic GF3 and Oly E-PL3 for pretty reasonable price (at least in the US)
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 07:49:35 pm »

oops, omitted the Sony Nex 5N - large lens, but better high ISO noise than the above and at least as good resolution
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2011, 08:17:12 pm »

Nice old BMW - which model would that be?
Dewi 

An R100RS - 20 years and 150,000 miles. Which is not as old as some I know still doing serious mileage. There are still one or two countries in Europe it hasn't been to!
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 07:26:05 am »

I've grown quite fond of my Fuji x100.. Images are superb, fast lens, and I really can't find more than a few quibbles with it.

It served a 5 week hectic China tour with a friend.  He wanted a compact camera to augment his DSLR and took both.  He was worried about the fixed prime lens vs. a zoom.  He wrote a somewhat long piece for my site on how he progressed with it from being the backup camera to becoming the main camera.   He asked to use it again for his next trip, but I think it's time he buys his own.. :)

I kept promising to write my own review, and I will, but this is one of those rare cameras you keep learning more and more about and finding out you can do things with it you'd never expect.  High ISO performance exceeds that of my Canon 5d Mark II which really surprised me.  There are two things is does really well.. it's a great available light portrait camera.  And a really decent landscape camera, the kind you'd want to use on a road trip.

I attached a few snaps, mostly taken while hanging outside the car window when I see something I kick myself for forgetting the DSLR..  The first one was ISO 2000 across the restaurant table.
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 01:52:58 pm »

Thanks for all of your replies. Firstly, Ian - lovely old lady, another 150k miles in her yet by the looks.

The camera suggestions have given me something to think about - short list so far are the Sony NEX5 and the Fujifilm X10 - both are nice and small. I couldn't justify the cost of the X100 even though the photos Steve W posted look impressive, plus I do have reservations about Fuji gear as both myself and friends have experienced problems with relatively new Fuji cameras in the past. Granted that was a few years ago but mud sticks as they say. I will however read through the article on your website - thanks

As mentioned by Stever (thanks for the Fuji X10 insight) I'm favouring the NEX 5N due to it's APS-C size sensor, small size and most reviews show good image quality and passable noise levels, only box it doesn't tick is it's not a fixed lens but I can live with that and would prob go for the 18-55 lens and just leave it on. Plus I had a cheap Sony 3 megapixie compact a good few years ago (still have it and it still works fine) as my point and shoot - excellent build quality and 100% reliable.

I've got a few months to decide, and there's the annual photoshow at the NEC here in the UK coming up in March so I'll pop along and see what deals are going.  I may even end up taking the DSLR and just one lens on the bike tour - depends on how many hairdriers etc Missus Dewi plans to take    :)

Dewi

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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 10:00:06 pm »

Have you considered an m4/3 system? I've just started playing around with a GF1 and some lenses, and like it quite a bit. For a bike trip, the new GX1 and compact 14-42 combo would be ideal.
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 12:11:42 pm »

I've been very happy with our m4/3 system for this sort of travel photography - i.e., when the emphasis is on travel, but I still want to get good photos. As far as I can tell, the m4/3 system has the widest range of available lenses of any of these small system cameras, and the image quality is quite good. I can take my GF1 and the 20mm lens for a compact travel/street combo, or take two cameras and multiple lenses in a small shoulder bag and cover from 14-600mm equivalent in just three lenses that take up very little space.

My wife has a G1 with the 14-45 and 45-200 lenses, and loves it. It's easy to use, it nails the exposure and color balance every time, and it's *her* camera, which around here makes a difference.

Have a great trip.
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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 07:23:55 pm »

Apologies for the late response, been a bit tied up over the last few days. Thanks a lot for all of your suggestions, they're really appreciated and it's nice to hear how kit performs in real life, from the people who bought it. The jury's still out, but as I've already mentioned we have the "Focus on Imaging" show coming up in early March so I'll go have a good look around and see what best fits the bill. I'm still looking favourably at the Sony NEX series though as I do rather like the idea of the larger APS-C sensor size in such a small package.

As a bit of a petrolhead, during my years of building & tuning engines there was always one philosophy I held to be true, which was: "Theres' no substitute for cee cees".  I'm only guessing here but I would assume the same is true for digital cameras, i.e the bigger the sensor the better the photo's resolutiuon  :)

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Re: Compact camera
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 10:22:07 pm »

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