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« on: October 02, 2009, 02:12:25 pm »

Hello all - and regards from Germany,

I bought a used Creo Leaf Valeo 22wi for my Fuji GX 680 II.

There was a Digital Magazine called dp-67 for storage without a Macbook.

Does anybody know a way to create a configuration to get the files on a Flash-Card or something else, maybe HDD?

No one has a DP-67 and no one can tell me how many Euros it was....

Is there a successful DIY-Way to get the solution ?


Kind regards and thanks for that phantastic forum,
I've enjoyed it very much in the past weeks,

Philipp
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 04:01:31 pm »


O.K. but don't want to flip to Aptus.

Is the storing solution just to put a firewire cable (400) in a mobile HDD then?

Are the files automatically stored on the Disk then?

Haven't got the digiback yet, that's why I'm asking - would like to be prepared a little...


Thanks, Philipp

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2009, 12:49:24 am »

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O.K. but don't want to flip to Aptus.

Is the storing solution just to put a firewire cable (400) in a mobile HDD then?

Are the files automatically stored on the Disk then?

Haven't got the digiback yet, that's why I'm asking - would like to be prepared a little...


Thanks, Philipp

the valeo is really only a "tethered to computer " back. they came up with the leaf storage hd to put underneath (has to one of these, not just any HD, as it also powers the valeo), but that doesn't solve the problem that it doesn't have a screen. the ipac ive been told is a pain in the ass, batteries don't last long, and loses connection regularly.

the best way to use the valeo is with a laptop. otherwise save up for an aptus.

paul (ex valeo, now aptus owner)
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2009, 06:56:05 am »

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O.K. but don't want to flip to Aptus.

Is the storing solution just to put a firewire cable (400) in a mobile HDD then?

Are the files automatically stored on the Disk then?

Haven't got the digiback yet, that's why I'm asking - would like to be prepared a little...


Thanks, Philipp


Hi Philipp,

you can use an ordinary harddisc, I tried this few years ago. I don´t remember exactly, I think you had to format it FAT32 and there might be a software needed like it was used for the digital magazine. DP 67 was for viewing only, I don´t know how this worked, our Valeo22 was before that 22wi.
You definily need the power for the back from the FW400 cable. So you will probably need a powered firewire-hub to get the back working. But remember, you don´t see anything you are exposing on a screen to make some adjustments while working with your camera.

Leaf valeo is sitll a fantastic back, we did ALOT of great work with it, but we always used it tethered. The macbookpro is very fast and comfortable. It is not bigger then having Batteries, Chargers, FW-Hub and Harddisc all cabled together. Leaf Valeo is not supported in the last LeafCapture software. Make sure you find a macbookpro which will be able to run that older software still supporting your back before you buy.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2009, 08:23:56 pm »


Hi Ulf and Paul,

o.k. I now understand. I will try to get a compatible Ipaq for viewing images. I grabbed a DP-67 cable from valeo to Ipaq on ebay.
I will see if this combination will satisfy me - don't love surprises when shooting....

So I will take my macbook pro and check the files every now and then.

The Valeo must be an excellent back - the support of creo germany told me that
this is "unfortunately" one of the best backs ever made - so they are unhappy cause
many photographers still working with this unit though the missing comfort of an integrated storage and viewing....

Regards, Philipp


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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2009, 09:56:23 pm »

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o.k. I now understand. I will try to get a compatible Ipaq for viewing images. I grabbed a DP-67 cable from valeo to Ipaq on ebay.
I will see if this combination will satisfy me - don't love surprises when shooting....

So I will take my macbook pro and check the files every now and then.

Philipp,
You should also realize that if you are using a "Wi" version of the Valeo, you do not need the DP-67 cable.  You only need to make sure your ipaq is an approved version with bluetooth integrated.

I just picked up a 17wi for my Hasselblad 553ELX.  I have had film loaded in the back for some time now and the back was affordable.  It shoots @ native iso25 and you do not get distracted with chimping.  From the brief usage, I also get audible alerts that the shot was stored.  I can turn on the ipaq and check exposure at a break.  Not as clean as a CF Aptus with intergral screen, but no computer needed.

As someone else pointed out, you can use normal firewire drives, but you need to supply bus power to the back.  I did it years ago with the Valeo 6 and 11.  

Check mac users hardware sites as they often need power for firewire devices with items like ipaq.

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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 03:11:42 am »

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Hi Ulf and Paul,

o.k. I now understand. I will try to get a compatible Ipaq for viewing images. I grabbed a DP-67 cable from valeo to Ipaq on ebay.
I will see if this combination will satisfy me - don't love surprises when shooting....

So I will take my macbook pro and check the files every now and then.

The Valeo must be an excellent back - the support of creo germany told me that
this is "unfortunately" one of the best backs ever made - so they are unhappy cause
many photographers still working with this unit though the missing comfort of an integrated storage and viewing....

Regards, Philipp

one thing i found was cool about the valeo, the back runs off a laptop with very little battery life left. the aptus has problems when the laptop gets too low on battery. i guess its to do with not needing to run a screen in the back.

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 10:44:17 am »

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one thing i found was cool about the valeo, the back runs off a laptop with very little battery life left. the aptus has problems when the laptop gets too low on battery. i guess its to do with not needing to run a screen in the back.

paul

I agree with everything Paul says.

If you really want to shoot semi-portable with a Valeo then find a used G4 powerbook, learn Version 8 software mount the powerbook to a tripod and shoot it that way.

The dp 67 magazine isn't much of a problem, though the metal yoke that goes underneath it, the batteries and all the connectors makes it very heavy.

If you can find an acceptable I-paq it will work and as long as you have the latest version 8 software, it was fairly stable, but not really the best way to shoot the back as the Ipaq is confusing and with all the stuff I just mentioned, it's lighter weight and easier to shoot tethered to an old powerbook than it is to the dp-67 and an Ipaq.

The Valeo really is a studio back and even today is still a great back, probably the most reliable of all the Leaf backs and you can tether up to 30' with a gold non powered firwire repeater.

Yair who frequents this site can tell you more, though the trick to make this work fast with low powered cost effective computers is to run version 8.

If you really want to go the dp-67 way, if you look around there are a lot of those floating around.  The old Leaf forum use to have someone offering them for sale weekly, but the rest gets complicated, especially the Ipaq.

Since you shoot with a fuji 680 you have to keep in mind your really working a view camera (in the digital sense) so adding a powerbook on a tripod is not that big of a leap and will much more reliable than any other system using the ipaq and the dp67 (probably a lot less expensive also).

To learn V-8 or any software for that matter the best way to learn is to set it up the way you work and just beat the hell out of it.  Shoot it fast, in the middle of shooting yank the cord, learn to restart the software, learn the software inside and out to the point that any scenario you are covered for.  

Version 8 is an old interface but runs very low powered and is essentially three softwares in one, capture, adjustments and processiing.   You'll probably never use it for batch processing, but for capture is bulletproof and restarts in seconds instead of minutes, but it is a do it yourself proposition, because you'll probably never find a digital tech or assistant that knows how to work it.

One other thing, the Valeo requires a lot of light.  At iso 25 it's slow, slow and it doesn't like underexposure.  Used for what it was intended for it works solid and really shoots the prettiest file of any back I've owned, in fact it will produce the same quality file as any new back,  but I wouldn't go out on location thinking this was a portable hand holdable camera.

IMO.

JR
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 05:25:40 pm »

No the GX680 is no handy camera at all and my set on location usually always looks dominated by tech :-)

I usually have one or two macbooks with me to show and control some shots.

I will try to find the best way to shoot - the Fujinon lenses are in need of much light, too - looked at that way,

the valeo seems to be the right partner for bulb exposures :-) I am very excited for the results and maybe I will post a shot,

if someone likes to see. Actually most Jobs are done with my D2xs and it delivers perfect images.

But there were still things that demand a bigger solution - that's why the "beast" comes into play...


Thanks for your helpful words, James.


Regards, Philipp
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 06:07:47 pm »

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I agree with everything Paul says.

If you really want to shoot semi-portable with a Valeo then find a used G4 powerbook, learn Version 8 software mount the powerbook to a tripod and shoot it that way.

The dp 67 magazine isn't much of a problem, though the metal yoke that goes underneath it, the batteries and all the connectors makes it very heavy.

If you can find an acceptable I-paq it will work and as long as you have the latest version 8 software, it was fairly stable, but not really the best way to shoot the back as the Ipaq is confusing and with all the stuff I just mentioned, it's lighter weight and easier to shoot tethered to an old powerbook than it is to the dp-67 and an Ipaq.

The Valeo really is a studio back and even today is still a great back, probably the most reliable of all the Leaf backs and you can tether up to 30' with a gold non powered firwire repeater.

Yair who frequents this site can tell you more, though the trick to make this work fast with low powered cost effective computers is to run version 8.

If you really want to go the dp-67 way, if you look around there are a lot of those floating around.  The old Leaf forum use to have someone offering them for sale weekly, but the rest gets complicated, especially the Ipaq.

Since you shoot with a fuji 680 you have to keep in mind your really working a view camera (in the digital sense) so adding a powerbook on a tripod is not that big of a leap and will much more reliable than any other system using the ipaq and the dp67 (probably a lot less expensive also).

To learn V-8 or any software for that matter the best way to learn is to set it up the way you work and just beat the hell out of it.  Shoot it fast, in the middle of shooting yank the cord, learn to restart the software, learn the software inside and out to the point that any scenario you are covered for.  

Version 8 is an old interface but runs very low powered and is essentially three softwares in one, capture, adjustments and processiing.   You'll probably never use it for batch processing, but for capture is bulletproof and restarts in seconds instead of minutes, but it is a do it yourself proposition, because you'll probably never find a digital tech or assistant that knows how to work it.

One other thing, the Valeo requires a lot of light.  At iso 25 it's slow, slow and it doesn't like underexposure.  Used for what it was intended for it works solid and really shoots the prettiest file of any back I've owned, in fact it will produce the same quality file as any new back,  but I wouldn't go out on location thinking this was a portable hand holdable camera.

IMO.

JR

Hi
 I probably go to collect a 17wi tomorrow. It comes with the DP67 HD/battery thing, but no I-paq. I've got an Ipaq5550 version which has a more powerfull Blu tooth output than most ipaqs and even though it's 3 years old, is quite powerfull, so should run the Leaf Application well enough - although I have no experience of this (this is wishfull thinking). I plan to use the set up for Landscape and Architecture/cityscape, so am happy to mount the whole thing on a sturdy tripod - with no wires. The Ipaq thing will hang around my neck, not ideal, but easilly accessed functions for iso changes and some image review (does the ipaq show a histogram, or just a straight up review). The DP67 is heavy, but doesn't look that big when slung under a 645MF camera. I may need to bother Yair about where to get the software for the ipaq, but I would be curious to know if its use is as fraught with difficulties as James suggests. He lives in London anyway (where I work), so I may have to call on his serivices - he should be an interesting guy to meet anyway and I have been promising him a walking/shooting tour of South Bank for a while!

What's iso 100-200 like with this back, is it colour or luminance noise ?

All replies gratefully listened to by a less experienced photographer!!

EJ
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2009, 09:47:07 pm »


What's iso 100-200 like with this back, is it colour or luminance noise ?

All replies gratefully listened to by a less experienced photographer!!



Hey EJ, did you grab the 17wi
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I find the noise of the 22wi working with iso 100 is absolutely fine. 50 ISO is ideal - and gives excellent results.
The 200 setting has a little noise in shades but really O.K. I'm still testing some shots to create custom colour profiles.
The Leaf Capture 11.1 works really fine - even much better than expected.


Kind regards from Germany,

Philipp
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 05:11:43 am »

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Hello all - and regards from Germany,

I bought a used Creo Leaf Valeo 22wi for my Fuji GX 680 II.

There was a Digital Magazine called dp-67 for storage without a Macbook.

Does anybody know a way to create a configuration to get the files on a Flash-Card or something else, maybe HDD?

No one has a DP-67 and no one can tell me how many Euros it was....

Is there a successful DIY-Way to get the solution ?


Kind regards and thanks for that phantastic forum,
I've enjoyed it very much in the past weeks,

Philipp


Hi Philipp,

I know we at Peartree still have a couple of the Leaf digital magazines if you are interested. Feel free to drop me an email and we can help you out.

Best regards

Ben
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