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NigelC

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Question about equipment back-up
« on: May 17, 2009, 11:15:59 am »

Just curious to know what other people consider minimum safety back-up to carry out commercial jobs. As my day job contract has come to an end, I am now taking the opportunity to try to develop some commercial work (for the property sector, not social), as well as stock and selling "fine-art" prints. I am thinking about replacing my 5D with a Mk2, although its not my highest priority by any means. In the UK I can currently get quite a good price for my 5D on ebay to offset cost of 5D2, but wonder whether I should keep it as back-up. I just wonder what level of back-up other people in a business start-up situation considered the minimum necessary. I can't ever remember a camera body failure, and should be able to rent a body pretty quickly if I did have a failure.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 11:51:33 am »

Backup. If you can't do the job sufficiently with the level of quality required by the job then it's not backup. If you've promised clients 21 megapixels worth of resolution then 12 is not sufficient as backup. If you promise to shoot natural light in dark rooms then a 4/3 camera is not backup. If you're style is shallow DOF then an f4-5.6 lens is not backup. If you promise digital then film is not backup. Professional backup is not having something that will get the job done, it's having something that will get the job done just as well as your main camera/lens/whatever. There is no 'minimum necessity', if you can't do the job, to the same degree of efficiency, with your backup system then your backup is not sufficient, period.

Of course a 5D might be just as sufficient for your commercial usage as a mkII (in which case why are you buying the mkII? Business is not a case of latest toys, just buy a 2nd 5D) if so then it is a good backup to a mkII. If you promise higher res files or sell your services based on an understanding of such, it is no longer sufficient backup. Don't forget of course backup for lenses, cable releases, CF cards and all lighting that you might be using.

I'm a wedding photographer, I've learnt all of the above through the school of hard knocks (to cameras), I have a 3rd camera and flash because yes I've needed 3rd backup. I have a speed dial of rental shops who can courier me equipment mid wedding and I've had to do it before (not to use, just as backup, when your main gear dies and you resort to backup, what happens if murphy strikes again? you're already using the backup!).

When you need backup you need it for real. In the professional world it is very much for real.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 01:41:07 pm »

Pom nails it.

I think the single true difference between a professional photographer and a talented amateur is this: the professional *has to* bring back the photo, every time. That means professionals have backups (and their backups have backups), and they test everything constantly. Otherwise they don't get paid.

If your 5D is fine for your business use, buy another. Or maybe a 40D, which has similar resolution and image quality, is half the price, and allows a slightly longer "reach" with a long lens.

If your commercial work requires 21 megapixels, ideally you'll need two 21-mp bodies. I know that plenty of professionals try to get by with just one camera -- those 1Ds Mark III bodies are expensive! -- but I think that's taking too many chances.

Nobody ever said this was a cheap business to get into.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 01:44:01 pm »

1 is none,
2 is one,
3 is two
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 02:07:40 pm »

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Nobody ever said this was a cheap business to get into.

You can say that again, it just looks cheap.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 03:06:53 pm »

MY rule of thumb is this: can I take any piece of equipment (camera, lens, flash, tripod, or whatever) out of my bag, light it on fire, and still complete the job to the client's satisfaction? If not, then I know what will break during the next job.
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2009, 12:29:42 am »

Good to know we have a hardware backup plan this good.  Now if we can just triple-backup the files.....
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2009, 04:46:50 am »

Hello Nigel

Whilst I would agree in principle with everything that has been said, some of the points are a little strong!  The sort of backup you need depends on the difficulty and importance of the job in hand.  Weddings are very important to get results from.  However you do not need an exact replica back up of your favourite gear.  What you do need is a second set of everything needed to get the job done to a good standard.  I shoot with a 1DS mk3, but if I had to shoot a wedding with a 10D or a 400D I am quite sure I could.  Likewise with the lens.  My favourites are 24-70 and 70-200 2.8.  But it is not necessary in my opinion to have replicas of these to hand.  I usually have a 5D and an older 24-85 lens in a bag, plus a second flashgun.  For weddings I also have a 50mm, and 28mm prime lenses to hand, which while not as convenient as zooms, are excellent quality.  For some commercial jobs it could be that if your gear breaks, you could go back the next day and do the shoot.  But I would always have a backup with me.  

As I said earlier, make sure you have a backup set of gear that will enable you to get the job done.

Good luck!

Jim
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2009, 03:51:12 pm »

Interesting set of responses - thanks.

I understand the viewpoint of wedding photographers and similiar situations where there isn't a second chance - if I was doing that (I won't!), I'd probably want more than one back up. However the business case to tie up capital in duplicating equipment is less strong in areas I might get into. For instance, in architectural photography, there is a deadline but scheduling the work is down to the photographer. I have been a client for building PR shots and site progress photography and can't imagine it would be a deal breaker if you had to come back another day, or more likely a few hours later to hire a replacement xxx. And if things progress in that area and I can run to a new 24 or 17TSE, I assure you I'll be buying one , not two.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2009, 04:09:51 pm »

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Good to know we have a hardware backup plan this good.  Now if we can just triple-backup the files.....

Actually, that should be the standard for photographers. My files are on my server in the studio, backed up on tape, and on external drives at my house. Three sets is pretty easy to achieve with hard drives -- optical takes too much time with my shooting volume.
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2009, 08:10:54 pm »

I have a friend who went to photograph birds in the Amazon region of Peru. His Canon suffered shutter failure the second day. He had no backup and no way of contacting the outside world to get a replacement in less than a week. He spent the rest of the week in the wild, schlepping his considerable arsenal of long lenses, while his buddies shot birds with their gear.

It's a long time since I had to make money from photography but I do travel to a lot of remote locations and I never never never go without one full back-up body and a P&S as a last resort.

Bill
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2009, 03:23:50 am »

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Actually, that should be the standard for photographers. My files are on my server in the studio, backed up on tape, and on external drives at my house. Three sets is pretty easy to achieve with hard drives -- optical takes too much time with my shooting volume.

Yup, two sets of hard drives with one kept well away from the computer (protection from theft) and online backup (protection from fire).
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