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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2007, 06:16:11 pm »

Why are Canon's example shot always so below par?

I remember this with the 5D too...
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 06:22:03 pm »

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You mean you haven't heard? There's a pact between all camera manufacturers which states that they must put dreadful samples up when they are pushing a new camera with cutting edge technologies...

Having said that, the landscape image is pretty impressive in terms of detail, I.M.O.

(And yes, the 5D samples would have lead one to believe that the camera was not capable of anything close to decent output.)

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 07:26:30 pm »

Exactly, thank goodness I didnt base my decision to whether or not buy the 5D based on the dreadful landscape image sample posted by Canon. That was terrible. Got the 5D and produced pin sharp results.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 11:19:01 pm »

I blame nepotism - or corporate toadying, given to a managerial sort who barely knows one end of a camaera from the other but has the goods on everyone else.


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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 05:44:18 pm »

The images are truely appalling.
I'm afraid I have never really understood marketing. It makes some sense if selling point and shoots that a baby or holiday snap is shown, perhaps a little better than the average production, to seduce the consumer into believing the new gizmo will enable her/him to come up with something similar.
This obvously has no equivalent for pros.
I can't believe Canon does not know what they are doing. They cannot have managed to get to the top of the heap by camera quality alone. Look at Alpa etc.
So- some sort of reverse psychology must be in force.
Can anyone enlighten?
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 06:05:51 pm »

Technically, they are properly exposed images. Artistically and esthetically, they may leave a lot of room for improvement when compared to what we expect to see on LL. However, after downloading a few of them (16+ MB jpegs) and examining them at 100% in Photoshop on my Eizo ColorEdge 24" monitor, they have amazing detail and color tonality as compared to images shot with my 1Ds Mk II. I can't wait to see a few RAW files from the MkIII.

I already sold my 1Ds MkII in anticipation of buying a Mk III. I'm saving my nickels up for a special Christmas present to me, from me.

In the meantime, I'm enjoying the light weight and nice images from my new Canon 40D.

Cheers.

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2007, 01:30:22 pm »

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I agree.

Canon could have gone a lot farther with tone compression, saturation, etc. but then people would whine that the images have been manipulated too much.

As stated, the images were process "using RAW Image Task" (on-camera processor?). No other mention of post processing. I think it's valuable to assess images that have had little done to them in post. It provides a better basis for judgement.

The detail in the landscape photo is very revealing, I think. Upon scrutiny one can find individual people scattered throughout the scene with good clarity. In certain areas of the brick work and foliage I can see where the AA filter kicked in. The image also shows that the lens is very capable of at f8. I see no chromatic aberrations in any of the lower corners.

The night scene is a good candidate in which to see how the on-camera noise reduction algorithm worked. I think the lack of noise is impressive, but I do see some blotchiness in certain areas of the sky. The overall handling of scene contrast is impressive, too.

The portrait is revealing in two areas. One is the chromatic fringing on the pearls, the other is highight retention. To me, the chromatic fringing is unnatural and a negative point for the camera. The highlight retention (in the dress fabric) is a plus. They don't mention whether or not highlight retention mode was on (it's a custom function) so I assume it was off.

The tossed food photo is interesting because it shows specular highlights amid saturated colors of the food. There is much less chromatic fringing than in the pearls of the portrait. There is also a bit of noise in the dark areas of the scene -- a telling detail for ISO 200. Another thing to point out is the level of saturated red. The reds are not totally plugged without textural detail. There's plenty of gradation of saturation and good textural detail. This tells me that the on-camera function settings function with good accuracy.

I look forward to more images!
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2007, 02:50:48 pm »

What, no ISO 6400 images with a tungsten white balance? I guess they're conceding the high ISO noise handling to Nikon and showcasing detail and sharpness, which these samples have a great deal of.

I don't think they're "appalling" at all, they show what the camera does well...which is apparently render very fine details and get sharp images with little, or at least very well handled, in-camera sharpening.

The specular blooming/fringing around the pearl highlights is a bit strange, since it's absent in the other shots. It also looks like there's some contrast fogging from an unshaded lens on that scenic shot. A polarizer might have helped too, but the point gets across - this thing has good output. A bit cold for my tastes, but that's a typical Canon thing - at least it keeps the reds in the food shot from blocking up.

FWIW, it took me all of 5 minutes to get a vastly more pleasing version of the landscape shot. I used curves to expand the histogram which helped with the fogging, then brought the saturation up to 10, painted in a "shadow darkening" curves mask in the sky and some other areas to bring out depth, followed by my "81A" photo filter preset, and a touch of smart sharpening to compensate for the AA filter. It's a very "workable" file, especially for a jpeg.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2007, 04:00:51 pm »

Look away people.  Canon samples are bleh.  Once you get the camera in your own hands, then you can judge, and the results will be sweet.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2007, 05:09:27 pm »

Anyone here ever used RIT (Raw Image Task?) I use DPP for my Canon conversions, and I have heard that RIP is not so good...
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 02:58:46 pm »

As professionals, it isn't hard to gleam positives from these samples. There is a lot to like--and in a round about way, a lot to dislike. Pixel peeping gave me an underwhelming feeling. I wonder how much better the files will translate into print. I shoot glossy and at times the 1Ds II can come off looking "digital". I'd like to know that the file that I gave them won't be easily screwed up in translation.

Some other factors/issues I'd like more details on is the 14 bits. I want to see a side by side comparo between the mkII and mkIII to determine just how much of a boost in DR you're getting.
I still think the III is an advancement but by how much. Looking solely at image quality--is it worth it to upgrade? That's the biggest question I'm facing and I know that I'm not the only one.

I talked to a local dealer who mentioned the JPGs from the ZD were horrible but RAW seemed to hold its on against the bigger backs. I see a showdown between these 2 cameras (considering their price point) I can't wait to someone tests them (Michael are you listening?).

I'll be waiting to see what develops after the big release. Maybe the 6D (or 5d mkII perhaps) may be the way to go...
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