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I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« on: May 06, 2026, 02:42:28 pm »

I made a post on a photography Camera Club Facebook page, with a photo of a girl on a horse at a local horse show. It was a public show at a public venue with no paid admission. T'was an innocent post, just letting others know about a photo-op.

But then I was set-upon by a gaggle of 10 others, aggressively chastising me for (A) showing a picture of a minor without permission, and (B) photographing with a "professional" camera at an event that prohibits photography by anyone other than the "official" photographer with an exclusive contract. It quickly became a feeding frenzy that took 3 days to die down.

I followed all good and common advice and abstained from engaging with them. But then I did some research by looking at the Facebook pages of these posters, and the history of their posts on this particular Camera Club page. This showed: They were all women. They all all zero history of making posts or comments on the Camera Club Page, other than their comments on my recent post. Their own Facebook pages showed very little activity, some with no activity in 2+ years. The activity they did show was all about horses and horse shows, and nothing about cameras or photography. I'm baffled why they are even members of a Camera Club group.

But then I noticed that the early comments were shared somewhere, but Facebook won't show where a comment was shared, or how often. Facebook also won't show when someone became a member of the Camera Club group. So, I have a conspiracy theory. One of the women "shared" with other birds-of-feather. The others rushed to join the Club and pile on. Ain't social media fun?
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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2026, 05:03:23 pm »

I do not know in which country the photo was taken.  I live in the UK and take photos for a local magazine.  I have to be very careful about photos with young people.  If it is a crowd scene or the young people are not identifiable it is usually OK.  If the young person is obvious, then I find it wise to ask the parent or guardian if they mind.  Most of the time they do not, but occasionally they do mind a lot and I delete the image in their presence.  Also it is a sad fact that people could misinterpret why a man is taking a photo of a young person, male or female, he does not know. 

I am just protecting my own back. 

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Rob C

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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2026, 05:58:08 pm »

This the image of photographers in the New Age.

It started quite some time ago, actually, but not all of us were looking. Not only have photographers lost their status as professionals, itself possibly a trick that lasted from, say, the late 50s until the end of the century - more or less - but that pendulum has swung right the other way, and as breed, we have become kinda suspect. I don’t think we actually turned into better or worse people, but the entertainment industry and the hysterics of some crazed extreme feminists turned the image of the photographer into that of predator. Gone that era of industry glory/glamour we once were able to enjoy, if we took up the right branches of the business, and then throw in a few “me too” kind of people with their actions against leading photographers, and hey presto, without - to my knowledge at least - any of those snappers ever having been taken to court and found guilty of anything, magazines took the opportunity to appear cleaner than clean, toss some of their erstwhile stars under the first bus, and save money at a time when circulation was plummeting. I suppose it was a convenient way to end million dollar contracts the titles were finding a bit heavy to bear in the new digital economy. Of course, guilty or not, reputations were toast.

All that aside, you have to remember that the title photographer is pretty broad, and everybody with a camera or just a cellphone is now seen as in the same box. The Internet has apparently made access to porn of every sort very easy, and so it’s not a difficult step for everybody with a lens to be tarred with the same brush.

I used to earn my keep photographing girls, and whether or not the market died, I think I would no longer do it, if simply to avoid being taken to the cleaners. I have, on the rare occasion, been asked by women (civilians) to photograph them in the past five years or so, but I refuse. Frankly, I’m of an age where I simply don’t want hassle in my life - my friggin’ health causes quite enough, thank you.
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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2026, 02:16:42 am »

Thanks. Sorry I forgot to say USA. I'm not a commercial photographer and have never sold a photo, although I've entered a few in a contest with prize money. I shoot only for myself, and I've shot at this show and some others at the same venue for over 25 years with no issues. It's funny that I go there to shoot horses, not the riders. In fact, I usually avoid or cull shots when the rider is more dominant than the horse.

Some brief Google research tells me that in the USA, it's possible for organizers of public events at public venues to ban "professional" photography. And the definition of professional is generally described as using any camera with a detachable lens longer then 3 to 6 inches. Cell phones are never prohibited, and the rationale is that security staff charged with enforcing the ban are not smart enough to judge professional. So, a quick glance at a long lens is the rule. Most bans emphasize public safety as the reason, claiming that a big detachable lens could be used as a weapon. In fact, the real reason is to protect the revenue of the photographer contracted to cover the event, which is often shared with the organization. Google AI could not find a single incidence of a camera lens used as a weapon.

P.S. I checked the website of the professional photographer who covered the event. Their site shows small versions of images for sale, heavily covered in copyright notice, but good enough to judge. I can say without reservation they were all junk. Noisy, soft focus, poorly composed snapshots. Definitely a spray-and-pray shop. They ask $55 USD for an 8x10 glossy print. An 8x10 print from Shutterfly USA costs $3.95 before frequent discounts of 30% to 50%.
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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2026, 11:48:11 am »

Problem is, those 55 bucks are never the same as 55 bucks profit. Take away the cost of just being in business, and if you don’t have the nerve to charge a commercially viable price, your “business” is going to suck the juice right out of your life. It was always thus, and the other bugger was that if you started with a good client at low prices, raising them later was almost impossible, and you either lost said client in trying, or kept on being cheap and watching other cats do the good stuff for them, stuff you might have been doing had you had the right business sense. Much easier said than done.

Staying amateur is not a bad alternative if you have not been infected with the virus.

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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2026, 01:48:20 pm »

Network effects keep places like FB alive. However, once the cesspool stinks enough people will leave. We all got along fine without it not that long ago and we can again.

I'm on FB for one purpose. I have been taking photos at local bicycle races and alert racers about my online galleries on FB because all the bulletin boards belonging to local bicycle/race clubs have gone away. They were much better places for me to place my alerts as they reached only those very people who cared. The bulletin boards disappeared because everyone migrated to FB. You can't carve out an exclusive community of local bicycle racers on FB in quite the same way as you can with a bulletin board, or at least no one around here has figured out how. So when I place my alerts there, they might reach the right people. Or they might not, no easy way to tell. I do almost nothing else on FB and I still receive post after post of crap, commercial or not. Scrolling my timeline is a complete waste of time so I stopped doing it.

My point is I will be leaving FB as soon as I can even though I don't see a better alternative. I don't see what was wrong with club bulletin boards. And it's a shame too because there's a fairly active local photo group that's fun to look and to which I occasionally contribute.
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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2026, 03:01:54 pm »

Problem is, those 55 bucks are never the same as 55 bucks profit. Take away the cost of just being in business, and if you don’t have the nerve to charge a commercially viable price, your “business” is going to suck the juice right out of your life. It was always thus, and the other bugger was that if you started with a good client at low prices, raising them later was almost impossible, and you either lost said client in trying, or kept on being cheap and watching other cats do the good stuff for them, stuff you might have been doing had you had the right business sense. Much easier said than done...

Which is why I eventually got onto the books of a leading agent, no more sucking up to clients looking for favours. There were those who were aghast that I'd willingly forgo the 30% commission whilst ignoring the fact that the agent would negotiate a fee with the client that was typically 3 times the value of the deal I could negotiate for myself.

Good times, long gone...

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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2026, 04:04:35 pm »

I actually have sympathy for the "pro" horse show photographer. They say they have been in business for 25+ years. I suspect they are pretty good at business even though poor at photography. Their prices are probably well tuned to what the market will bear. Horses are a very expensive hobby, only for the rich.

For the fun of it, I took one of their website images, removed the (huge) watermark with Photoshop AI, sharpened and denoised with Topaz, Gigapixeled it 4X, and applied simple contrast adjustments. Got a decent result easily printed up to 11x14. Of course, their customers don't know how to do that... yet. But what's the future? When will the general public learn how to screen-grab an image, feed it to some advanced AI service, and get back a fine result?
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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2026, 04:29:38 am »

Which is why I eventually got onto the books of a leading agent, no more sucking up to clients looking for favours. There were those who were aghast that I'd willingly forgo the 30% commission whilst ignoring the fact that the agent would negotiate a fee with the client that was typically 3 times the value of the deal I could negotiate for myself.

Good times, long gone...

Keith, there's a book I bought recently called Inside Vogue House, by Grant Scott. It tells the history of the Condé Nast publications that came out of Hanover Square, and I found it very interesting indeed, from many aspects.

Grant's an interesting bloke, and he worked on Tatler for nine years, so he truly was an insider.

An eye-opening account of the whys and the hows.

Rob

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Re: I was vilified for posting a picture on Facebook.
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2026, 02:03:59 pm »

I would bet good money the woman who started this brouhaha has a relationship with the hired photographer somehow and deiced to make an example of you. 

Pour encourager les autres!

Insofar as the camera regulations, I am sure you could find a vintage lens shorter than 3 inches that would make even better and more artistic images than said photographer if his images are as bad as you say.  That is a route I would take if I got any issues in the future just to make a mockery of it. 

Some of the best portraits I have seen are with lenses that only really come in focus in the center and have odd bokeh (by today's standards). 
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