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Proeberphoto

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Bronzing and print varnishes in HP Z9+ and Canon 4100
« on: December 23, 2023, 10:58:08 am »

Maybe someone with some experience can weight in here. I recently had a couple of test prints made by a midwest outlet for large format photo printers as I have come down to a decision for either the Canon 4100 or HP Z9+. Unfortunately, the Z9+ in their office was not equipped with the chroma enhancement accessory, and the test print suffered from some severe bronzing. In order to make a fair comparison I purchased some satin art print varnish and coated both prints. The bronzing disappeared in the HP print and the gloss differential in the highlights in the Canon print completely disappeared, as well. Both look very nice now. The one difference I find now is that the satin varnish on the HP print brings out the warmer tones of the HP Vivera inket, whereas the Canon seems to go cooler in appearance.

So here's the question, is the HP Vivera inkset in fact warmer than the Canon Lucia Pro-11 inkset? Or am I seeing things? The difference appears to be about 3-5 CCs. Also, both prints look much better with the satin varnish than the unvarnished versions. How many of you varnish your prints? Applying a UV varnish may or may not extend print permanence?
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Re: Bronzing and print varnishes in HP Z9+ and Canon 4100
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2023, 06:24:11 am »

as  far as i know: a good varnish can make the work less vulnerable for gasses and may cut off UV-light; Depends on the varnish if it will help your print lasting longer.
i use Hahnemuhle spray for some and it is garanteed by Hahnemuhle to do a good job without changing the colour.
Then that Canon is cooler and HP-Z9 is warmer - is a matter of colormanagement and profiles used. Of course the companies use different pigments that will cause some difference ( in saturation and gamut), but it cannot be that one is warmer than the other by default.
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Re: Bronzing and print varnishes in HP Z9+ and Canon 4100
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2023, 09:32:04 pm »

I tested 30+ protect sprays. You can download the preview report for free below.

As for color difference, I have the same opinion. It's just a color control/management issue. You have to print every ink separately to figure out the ink density/chroma/hue. But it's not the cause of which one is cooler or warmer, you can control the color by RIP or driver and ICC (how the ink be mixed).
« Last Edit: January 01, 2024, 10:26:44 pm by MfAlab »
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Re: Bronzing and print varnishes in HP Z9+ and Canon 4100
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2023, 12:13:17 pm »

Kang-Wei Hsu
I found that very useful.
Thanks for sharing it
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