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jwittes

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New Epson releases?
« on: November 16, 2023, 10:19:09 am »

The time has finally come to replace my 9900.  With the P8000/9000 being discontinue, does anyone know if replacements are coming in the near future?  I am hesitant to jump in a get a P9750 based on research done on this forum.
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Re: New Epson releases?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2023, 11:53:11 am »

Epson has introduced new 44 inch 6-color printers - the P8570DL with 1.6 L ink packs and the SCP8570DR with ink cartridges. Epson says that the 6-color (C, M, Y, PK, MK and Gray) quality rivals comparable 8-color printers.

It would be nice to get feedback on the print quality of there printers. They are very different than the previous generation printers, and, to me, seem like they are production printers rather than fine art printers.

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Re: New Epson releases?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2023, 12:21:38 pm »

Epson has introduced new 44 inch 6-color printers - the P8570DL with 1.6 L ink packs and the SCP8570DR with ink cartridges. Epson says that the 6-color (C, M, Y, PK, MK and Gray) quality rivals comparable 8-color printers.


I'm interested to hear feedback on this as well. It's essentially a 4 color printer, plus grey. It's meant to be a photo printer/poster printing machine. I can't imagine it will rival the prints on an Epson 9570 or Canon 4100. Also interested to see if it can really handle fine art papers. I watched the online demo about a month ago but haven't seen it in action in real life.
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Re: New Epson releases?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2023, 01:12:37 pm »

Yeah, no, these are production printers for people banging out graphics for tradeshows and presentations-- not "fine art" related.  I would love to try one out, but you can be sure that you're gonna get a MUCH grainier result with 5 inks than you would with 8.  Epson's heads can print very fine (1.5pl if they're tuned that way) but it's still not quite fine enough to get rid of the dilute light cyan/light magenta if you're trying to rival a contone process (c-printing).

Using this for photo would be like stepping back 20 years in inkjet technology history.  I'm not one to care too strongly about "hifi colors" but IMO you need at least CMYKLcLmLk to make a convincingly photographic print. That puts you in line with approx 11880/9880 territory (minus a 3rd simultaneous black level).

I've got a 15000XL which uses the very interesting 6-color CMYK +grey + red inkset, which is very cool, and it actually does quite a decent job at black and white printing with just two black levels, but it's slooooowwwwww at it's higher "resolutions"
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2023, 01:49:45 am »

I have a second-hand 9900 which I acquired 2-3 years old in early 2011. It always had an issue with the VM channel with one empty spot during nozzle checks. For the most part, the one tiny void never was an issue but to keep the thing running, it would take a cleaning cycle or two regularly, especially printing canvas. If I let it sit for a few weeks, it usually took a cleaning or two to get it back into the grove.

Slowly, it got worse up until 2020 when the head finally gave up and I thought I may have a 4 pall-bearer corpse that would have to be dragged up a flight of stairs for disposal. I looked on eBay for a suitable replacement for a couple of weeks but then decided to call my Epson service expert who is an independent printer guru I've used for many years.

With his expertise, he convinced me that since I knew the history and idiosyncrasies and history of my printer that the best thing to do may be to simply replace the head and give it a cleaning.

Yep, it was expensive and took awhile to get the part and schedule a house call from his shop, but man, it was the best decision I could have made! Apparently, Epson has updated the head for the 9900 to a much more reliable quality (different part number than the original).

It took maybe two hours and a bunch of $$ for the head, cleaning, service call but it was a great decisition. I didn't have to deal with printer removal from my down-stairs studio which would take four people to move the thing then have to deal with what to do with nearly 300 pounds of what we call in California "Universal Waste" which is anything with an electrical cord and then dealing with either a new printer and new set of inks, profiles, set-up etc.

It may be worth checking with a repair shop to see if the solution to replacement may be a service call and parts replacement.

In talking with my expert this past week regarding a newer Epson printer I have in for service, his two issues with the newer large-format printers is that they are not of the same build quality (robustness) and the newer printers have just enough ink included to charge the printer, thus you've got to add a set of inks to the expense of a new printer to do more than just a small amount of printing once the printer is set up.

Two years ago, I had to "relinquish" my studio 3880 to my partner and so I replaced it with a P900. The P900 is a good little printer but mine had paper feeding issues from the start and I could only feed it a sheet or two at a time (luster) and with Exhibition Fiber Paper, every print suffered from long scratches from front to back. The work-around from tech support was to try the front feed to print on the EFP. But on my printer, it was jammed and I couldn't move the tray. Epson replaced my printer and a year later (a few weeks ago), started to spit ink spots on the margins and into the print on anything wider than 8.5 inch stock, then the paper feeder sucked in six sheets of EFP after it started having issues of even feeding a single sheet...

Though it's a newer printer and the prints are great, it's just not the same build-quality of the tank-like 3880...
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Re: New Epson releases?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2023, 07:17:45 pm »

just replace the head and pump assembly in my P8000 tech told me the newer printer are over engineered and have roller issues...said you have to be using the printers daily. I really don't see any new printer give noticeable results for normal viewing. Imagine the media choice and a newer model printer might make a difference if you can pull it out in enough test prints to get what would be noticeable.

Sticking with my P8000 for a few more years for sure, only temptation I have would be to acquire the Epson ET-8550 heard its amazing quality.

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