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shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« on: June 11, 2011, 10:09:42 pm »

i've never been able to take any decent fireworks photos. this year our family is going to the west coast for a vacation and will be in seattle over independence day.  would appreciate advice on taking good fireworks photos.  in the past, i've always had just a lot of smoke or streaky blurry photos. always used tripod and have varied exposure times anywhere from 1/15 sec to several seconds (as long as around 10 sec).  i've also tried covering the lens in between firework bursts, but always have had very lousy photos.

advice on exposure as well as how to expose including foreguond/water elements in photos also wold be appreacited.  its not like a bad photographer, but just have never seemed to figure out how to shoot fireworks well ;D ???  This year, i'd like to come back with some photos that the wife won't be ragging me on, so help would be appreciated :D
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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2011, 10:20:33 pm »

f/8-f/11 if it's dark, vary exposure to get foreground visible if that's what you're after. I prefer to get just a few bursts, some seem to like many many more. I've also seen good shots done with a telephoto. Use a remote release or 2-sec timer. The first minutes are the best time for lesser smoke. Get the timing right so you get a full burst and not a partial one - it's like music. Shoot a lot of exposures: it's mostly about luck in the end but she favors the prepared.

Since you're shooting on a tripod, you could also shoot a foreground shot separately, and combine in post.

Below 12 secs @ f/11 ISO 100, 14mm Sigma lens, Canon 550D. More here.
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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 01:46:17 am »

f/8-f/11 if it's dark, vary exposure to get foreground visible if that's what you're after. I prefer to get just a few bursts, some seem to like many many more. I've also seen good shots done with a telephoto. Use a remote release or 2-sec timer. The first minutes are the best time for lesser smoke. Get the timing right so you get a full burst and not a partial one - it's like music. Shoot a lot of exposures: it's mostly about luck in the end but she favors the prepared.

Since you're shooting on a tripod, you could also shoot a foreground shot separately, and combine in post.

Below 12 secs @ f/11 ISO 100, 14mm Sigma lens, Canon 550D. More here.

thanks for the advice and posting a photo and the links!  Like how you captured the sillioutes at the bottom. Do yo tend to shoot in the 10+ second range for most shots?
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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 03:36:01 am »

Since the fireworks have their own exposure time by moving through the air, only aperture and iso are there for you to control exposure.
Generally at iso 100 an aperture of F8-11, as feppe wrote is appropriate.
Time is only for controlling backround illumination.
Its pretty much similar like with flash exposure.

Planning ahead is crucial:
Once the fireworks has started you won't have time to change a lot anymore, like your position or switching lenses.

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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 05:31:41 am »

Do yo tend to shoot in the 10+ second range for most shots?

It depends on the fireworks. If there are good bursts in 5 seconds, I'll do five, sometimes it takes 15 seconds or even more. As Christoph said, you can also use exposure length to vary background brightness - but since we're shooting fireworks capturing good bursts takes precedence.

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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 02:13:40 am »

Since the fireworks have their own exposure time by moving through the air, only aperture and iso are there for you to control exposure.
Generally at iso 100 an aperture of F8-11, as feppe wrote is appropriate.
Time is only for controlling backround illumination.
Its pretty much similar like with flash exposure.

Planning ahead is crucial:
Once the fireworks has started you won't have time to change a lot anymore, like your position or switching lenses.
Thanks for the suggestion Cristoph! I think the Flash anology helps in trying to understand appropriate exposure, as well as trying to set the time to capture a full burst.  In the past I have struggled with smoke and having blurry looking fireworks bursts, so maybe my exposures were too short.
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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 02:15:47 am »

It depends on the fireworks. If there are good bursts in 5 seconds, I'll do five, sometimes it takes 15 seconds or even more. As Christoph said, you can also use exposure length to vary background brightness - but since we're shooting fireworks capturing good bursts takes precedence.

Thanks again for the reply feppe.  I'll play around with the exposure times I think both of you having given me a good guideline on how to improve over past attempts!
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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 03:14:33 am »

Didn't notice this thread earlier, but I don't see what is a  very common technique for this.  As mentioned, your location and setup should be well planned.  If background objects are not important then being upwind can help.  If they are (in Seattle I think they have a fireworks show around the Space Needle, have seen some terrific shots,) then of course plan earlier in the day where to set up that gets you the background you want.  Being a little further away helps, at least a short telephoto.  Not much control over where they explode, so probably best to crop a little wider.  Important for this technique is to be a pretty dark place without much else going on ... no car headlights etc.  Without this you'll just have to try and shoot them as they happen.

If you are including other elements, right before the show starts, do test exposures to get your background about right (tough because it probably isn't dark, but try to get an idea).  You want to land somewhere around 5 seconds (depends on how many bursts you want to capture).  If your f/stop gets too small the fireworks might not show up. This can vary depending on how bright they are.  The better ones are pretty bright, around f/11 or even f/16 might work.

Have a black card, about 10" square or so... preferably a cardboard covered with black velvet (not felt)  you can buy at a fabric store.  Now it's pretty simple.  Put the cardboard  in front of the lens - obviously careful not to touch it and move the camera, open up the shutter either with a 15 or 30 second exposure or preferable using bulb, and when you see one take off, you want to move the cardboard away right before you think it will burst. Usually each time you move it away you'll try to estimate holding it for about 1 second then cover the lens again.  So if your base exposure for your background is 5 seconds, then capture 5 bursts, close the shutter.  If their isn't anything else showing up in the photo (no lights or buildings) you can probably capture as many bursts as you want.  How many in this case depends on if they spread out through the sky of they all explode about the same location.

Quite a bit of of luck involved in this, but you get the hang of it pretty quick. Hopefully you can tell from your first shot (you may want to do just the first couple of bursts to see if your f/stop is about right for the fireworks).

It's sort of a hit or miss thing, sometimes you'll get lucky.  You may want to change f/stops to capture longer or fewer bursts.  Some shows are much more impressive, so capturing multiple bursts isn't as important.  If you setup this way you can have the option of doing either ... easy to time moving the cardboard once you get the hang of it.

Here's a Seattle based photographer with a few shots, a couple of them use this technique.

http://tinyurl.com/6gqadus

I messed around with this using a 400mm DO lens from my backporch last year.  Not great (not a particularly impressive show, just a small town celebration), but this is 4 or 5 bursts.




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Re: shooting fireworks - 4th of july
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2011, 04:30:47 am »

Have a black card, about 10" square or so... preferably a cardboard covered with black velvet (not felt)  you can buy at a fabric store.  Now it's pretty simple.  Put the cardboard  in front of the lens - obviously careful not to touch it and move the camera, open up the shutter either with a 15 or 30 second exposure or preferable using bulb, and when you see one take off, you want to move the cardboard away right before you think it will burst. Usually each time you move it away you'll try to estimate holding it for about 1 second.  So if your base exposure for your background is 5 seconds, then capture 5 bursts, close the shutter.  If their isn't anything else showing up in the photo (no lights or buildings) you can probably capture as many bursts as you want.  How many in this case depends on if they spread out through the sky of they all explode about the same location.

When I recently took fireworks, I had a loaned 4x5" camera with a self cocking shutter which was a terrific tool to play with, since I could control the time very well. Being able to control exposure time fully manually here, like described by Wayne is definitely worth the effort.
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