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« on: February 01, 2010, 11:24:51 pm »

How good is 5DMII + 24mm TSEII?
Enough to replace Flexbody + 40mmIF or M645+hartblei or LF?
What's the pros and cons
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 11:32:10 pm »

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How good is 5DMII + 24mm TSEII?
Enough to replace Flexbody + 40mmIF or M645+hartblei or LF?
What's the pros and cons

What are you shooting?
I currently use the 5DII w/24 TS II for shooting commercial architecture after using a 4x5/film exclusively for 29 years. I would not go back. 4x5/film was overkill for 99% of my client needs, especially magazines. Even 22MP files are bigger than most of my client needs. With the new TSs a very professional product is possible in a small reasonably affordable package.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 05:37:10 pm »

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How good is 5DMII + 24mm TSEII?
Enough to replace Flexbody + 40mmIF or M645+hartblei or LF?
What's the pros and cons

You should read these two excellent threads comparing 24 and 17mm TSE on 5DII with medium format digital:

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=39887
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=39838

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 02:40:10 am »

I've overheard that focusing 24TSII is a bit of challenging.
Does it even trouble you?
If so, is it the lens focusing ring not fine enough or is it the focusing screen on the camera?
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 07:47:24 am »

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I've overheard that focusing 24TSII is a bit of challenging.
Does it even trouble you?
If so, is it the lens focusing ring not fine enough or is it the focusing screen on the camera?

Focusing through the viewfinder is a challenge, but using live view with 10x magnification could not be easier.  There is nothing wrong with the focusing ring.

The 5DMkII + 24mm TS-E II is a wonderful combo.  It's absolutely my favorite lens - very sharp, no CA whatsoever, flare is very well controlled.

Here is a sample of a 3-shot vertorama (one shot shifted all the way up, one shot not shifted, and one shot shifted all the way down) stitched in Photoshop.  Please excuse the blown highlights.  

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 09:50:19 am »

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I've overheard that focusing 24TSII is a bit of challenging.
Does it even trouble you?
If so, is it the lens focusing ring not fine enough or is it the focusing screen on the camera?

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Focusing through the viewfinder is a challenge, but using live view with 10x magnification could not be easier.  There is nothing wrong with the focusing ring.

Ditto.  

Live View on the camera.  Nothing could be easier or more accurate.

Get yourself a Hoodman HoodLoupe or something similar and you are good to go.

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 12:38:41 pm »

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Focusing through the viewfinder is a challenge, but using live view with 10x magnification could not be easier.

Personally, I don't understand these complaints. In good light I have no problem focusing this or any other Canon lens, nor did I have any problems in this regard with the 5D and the old 24T/S. I estimate that I have to revert to Live View for focusing about 5% of the time and that is usually because of extremely low light, say at twilight or in cases where I am jammed up against a door frame and can't get behind the camera. I do have to adjust the diopter occasionally. I have extremely good distance vision, 20/12, and poor close up vision (I have to use reading glasses to see the live view in focus). I don't see how that relates to focusing through the viewfinder though, but maybe it does.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 12:57:52 pm »

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Personally, I don't understand these complaints. In good light I have no problem focusing this or any other Canon lens, nor did I have any problems in this regard with the 5D and the old 24T/S. I estimate that I have to revert to Live View for focusing about 5% of the time and that is usually because of extremely low light, say at twilight or in cases where I am jammed up against a door frame and can't get behind the camera. I do have to adjust the diopter occasionally. I have extremely good distance vision, 20/12, and poor close up vision (I have to use reading glasses to see the live view in focus). I don't see how that relates to focusing through the viewfinder though, but maybe it does.

I've come to rely on Live View almost 100% of the time when shooting architecture. I prefer it too for the process, it slows me down a bit and is makes me more methodical (read-> reminds me of MF & LF days.)

I can't say that I ever really had a problem with focus on the 24 t/s or the 45 t/s.  It was more the new 17 t/s that drove me to use Live View.  One might think, eh, 17mm @ f/11 or f/16, it won't matter where I focus... but it does.

All said, once I saw that I can have 100% accuracy of putting the focus point where I want it, it's hard to work any other way.

Was my focus off with the 24 or the 45?  I'd shoot tethered and would check the files to make sure the DoF was falling exactly as I wanted.  Once in a while I would need to tweak the focus point to move the DoF range backward or forward.  Using Live View has negated the need to futz with the focus in that way.

Maybe the difference here is like your camera never getting dusty... :-)

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 01:05:45 pm »

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Maybe the difference here is like your camera never getting dusty... :-)

I would like to think that I am somehow blessed and don't experience problems that other people do, but my history seems to contradict that.  

Nice work on your site BTW. It is important to slow down and work deliberately with architecture. I agree. I guess I work rather slow anyway as I use the Canon essentially just like I did a view camera...old habits.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 02:55:05 pm »

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I would like to think that I am somehow blessed and don't experience problems that other people do, but my history seems to contradict that.  

Nice work on your site BTW. It is important to slow down and work deliberately with architecture. I agree. I guess I work rather slow anyway as I use the Canon essentially just like I did a view camera...old habits.

Thanks.  I've been to your site as well.  Very nice.  In fact, I remember your work well from when I lived in Santa Fe (1985'ish).

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 03:17:28 pm »

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Thanks.  I've been to your site as well.  Very nice.  In fact, I remember your work well from when I lived in Santa Fe (1985'ish).


I thought your name was familiar. Santa Fe is a tough place to make a living---waaaay too much competition for the little bit of work there.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 12:11:13 am »

Do you find live view good for shooting tilt? I found focusing tilt to be much more difficult then shooting square, but using live view is another thing needs to get used to.
For beginner, of course.
But would you think it much easier to start with Flexbody + 40mm/50mm (+ MFDB)?
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 07:51:35 am »

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But would you think it much easier to start with Flexbody + 40mm/50mm (+ MFDB)?

you have the canon stuff or :

Cambo wide RS
Arca RM3D
Alpa Max
Sinar artech
...

but the flexbody and 40, you will have too much distortion to deal with... and you will have to remove the back all the time !
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 11:45:35 am »

I have the classic 5D and the new 24TS-E and i also have a digital back for my Hy-6 and soon for my view camera (for studio work). For architecture the Canon with the new TS-Es is IMHO the best. The kit is lightwight, short setup time meaning less lugging, more shots and more creativity. This will result in happier clients. i have never had a client complain about bad file quality (and the Canon“s IQ is really far from bad), only photographers do. The Canon rigg is also alot cheaper.

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