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Rob C

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« on: November 11, 2025, 10:33:06 am »

Where have all the reader/writers of LuLa gone? Trying to keep conversation flowing is almost mission impossible these days. It used to be quite a lot of fun and pleasure, some years ago, and no, it had little to do with equipment - and seldom photos: it had everything to do with people. Of well, it is what it is. ;-(

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2025, 10:52:29 am »

Rob, you only have to look at the visitor stats at the bottom of the Forums page to see that the numbers of guests and users online are at a mere fraction of what they were in the heyday of LuLa.

The proliferation of social media has had consequences.

:-( 

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2025, 11:42:48 am »

Where have all the reader/writers of LuLa gone? Trying to keep conversation flowing is almost mission impossible these days.

My impression is that quite a few of the more prolific posters bailed out after Kevin Raber was ousted.  I know some of them have returned, but the dynamic that generated the lengthier discussion threads seems to have dissipated.  Also, Michael Reichmann and, later, Kevin helped keep the discussions going—both with their own forum contributions and with occasional video presentations.

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2025, 04:53:10 pm »

Rob, you only have to look at the visitor stats at the bottom of the Forums page to see that the numbers of guests and users online are at a mere fraction of what they were in the heyday of LuLa.

The proliferation of social media has had consequences.

:-(

Yes, I do note those figures now and again, but why should that preclude those who do visit here from contributing something? Surely, if they are willing to scribble something on social platforms, they could do as much in LuLa, too?

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2025, 05:27:17 pm »

Yes, I do note those figures now and again, but why should that preclude those who do visit here from contributing something? Surely, if they are willing to scribble something on social platforms, they could do as much in LuLa, too?

Not much point without an audience. Sadly the busiest place on this photographic forum is the Bear Pit. Let's face it, it has had its day.

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2025, 05:28:55 pm »

My impression is that quite a few of the more prolific posters bailed out after Kevin Raber was ousted.  I know some of them have returned, but the dynamic that generated the lengthier discussion threads seems to have dissipated.  Also, Michael Reichmann and, later, Kevin helped keep the discussions going—both with their own forum contributions and with occasional video presentations.

Well yes, I remember Michael chipping in now and again, but I seem to remember him as being a little removed from actual conversations once he’d kicked the ball into action. However, that kick did provide the impetus or, rather, raw material for the interchanges of opinion. That said, it’s not as if new editorial material doesn’t still arrive too.

It might well be that LuLa is suffering from the effect of a narrow reader base combined with the fact that digital photography is hardly news anymore.

I bumped into a website today that promotes film photography: the chap running it was doing a news feature on Kodak and the new/repackaged/rebranded materials they are promoting. The Italian firm Ferrania is back in action too… I was quite surprised at the cost of film today. Unless one has a darkroom, or at least easy access to one, film photography strikes me as quite pointless: to each film one then has to add developing and, unless scanning is possible at home, the cost of turning those negatives into files. If files are not required, wet printing in mind, then the cost of papers and yet more chemicals has to be added… a very expensive game, today. If external companies are going to do the printing, then it seems to me that actual photography has already left the building, as it were. Having other bodies do the printing was okay if the photographer was just too busy to do it himself, but if he simply isn’t interested, then he has turned his back on a crucial part of what his image can be, handing the end result to somebody else to own. I am aware that my thoughts on wet photography costs are purely my own, based on what I feel to be reasonable, but even so, as a friend once remarked, how expensive can the best steak be before you’re just getting taken for a ride?

Actually, I have doubts about the value of printing at all. If you are able to turn prints into a viable business, great - I doff my cap to you; short of that, the only prints that matter to me today are those rare ones of family members no longer here. I have boxes of A3+ prints that I now only visit if somebody in the family wants one for their wall. For myself, I prefer simply to look for them on my website, which is the repository for whatever I do these past few years. No longer that job of putting them all back into their boxes and forgetting which should be where; for a while, there was a system ;-) but it fell by the wayside pretty quickly. So easy just to shut the site down when I have satisfied my curiosity, and look at something else. LuLa, for example.
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Re: Writing
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2025, 08:49:44 pm »

It might well be that LuLa is suffering from the effect of a narrow reader base combined with the fact that digital photography is hardly news anymore.

My perspective (pun intended) is that an image is an image is an image; Gertrude Stein nailed the isomorphic equivalency many years ago.  LuLa didn't particularly help me improve my rather anodyne image captures, but in its classic era it did help me learn how to use modern digital tools to postprocess them with guidance from various pixeluminati: Jeff Schewe, Andrew Rodney, Michael Reichmann, et. al.

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Unless one has a darkroom, or at least easy access to one, film photography strikes me as quite pointless: to each film one then has to add developing and, unless scanning is possible at home, the cost of turning those negatives into files.

Exactly.  I still occasionally (actually very rarely) shoot film, but I pay a commercial lab to process the negatives and then I scan them so I can work with the files in software.   I have no desire to set foot again in a wet darkroom.  So, for me, film is just another path to digital photography.  I like it because I still (perhaps mistakenly) think the look of film is different—more analog, so to speak, with smoother tonal gradations and grain that doesn't appear artificial.  Of course, that may just be nostalgia.  (Or that I enjoy shooting with an antique camera.  Not to be confused with the one depicted in the attachment.)

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Actually, I have doubts about the value of printing at all.

Well, I still print.  Sometimes to exhibit locally and sometimes in the hope of squeezing a picture into one of the few remaining wall spaces in our house that isn't already occupied by a painting my wife and I have acquired over the years.  I like to think some of my images are competitive with the "real art."  But I concede that's a losing argument—possibly even delusional.

Trying to keep conversation flowing is almost mission impossible these days.

Does this post help?

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Re: Writing
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2025, 09:44:21 am »

Hey, that’s a stunning new Leica you posted! Where can I buy one yesterday?

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2025, 11:12:57 am »

Hey, that’s a stunning new Leica you posted! Where can I buy one yesterday?

S&P Photo-Video is my go-to camera store for state-of-the-art gear.  (See attached photo.)

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Re: Writing
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2025, 12:19:24 pm »

As we both know, they don't make 'em like they used to!

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2025, 02:22:07 pm »

S&P Photo-Video is an authorized distributor for Ernst Veblen GmbH of Zurich, whose highly-trained gnomes (yes, those gnomes of Zurich) meticulously handcraft each camera from rare-earth metals smuggled out of China. S&P's slogan is "if you can find a more expensive camera anywhere, we guarantee to match the price."

I'm thinking of adding an affiliate link to S&P as my forum signature.

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2025, 03:48:23 pm »

That strikes me as a golden business opportunity; perhaps Lula members could be offered preferential shares if they buy today… Christmas cheer, and all that jazz.
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