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Re: Orange Channel "Clog" in Epson 9900
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2019, 04:27:25 pm »


For me draining and refilling K3 inks has worked for 10 years. I have had Epson's 7900,9900,9890 and a new P8000.
I try to keep 1 pigment ink printer with up to date inks. (To me that is within 2 years out of date.)
 A lot of the prints are workshop printing samples and are not for resale.
 I replaced the 2010 Epson 9900 printhead in 2017 and that printer is the best one I have
They look absolutely fantastic with inks back to 2014. My ink costs for these printers are down 75% a number you just cannot ignore.
I would certainly never change all the inks at one time unnecessarily and never do an init fill. If it is something you feel that strongly about by all means do your own thing.  I will continue to enjoy my .05 per ml ink cost.
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Re: Orange Channel "Clog" in Epson 9900
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2019, 05:00:08 pm »



Pigmented inks are a suspension, and do settle and coagulate with time. The coagulation of pigments is what can clog the print head. Even with vigorous shaking, they are difficult if not impossible to re-suspend well. Canon, Epson and HP do have additives in the ink to keep them suspended, and tend to work quite well
there’s a big difference between settling and coagulating. I’ve never seen any evidence of suspended particles in epson inks coagulating (sticking together in big clumps).  I know there was an extensive thread a few years ago about ink settling out, but the main point in that thread was trying to use a centrifuge to simulate what would happen over time, and at the time I didn’t feel that approach was valid (and still don’t).

I haven’t been agitating my Epson cartridges for several years now.  Every couple of months I print Bill Atkinson test page and compare it to the original page I printed when I installed the printer, and I have seen no color drift in this machine in 3 years now. Some of my inks I go through pretty quickly, but others may be in the printer a year or more.  I do use different size cartridges in the printer based on how fast colors are used (blacks are all 700, orange and green are 150 ml, all the others are 350ml. ).  This avoid excessive length of time for any one color.

There is some agitation of the inks as the printer prints.  There is also some agitation due to the pressurizing and collapsing of the bag that contains the ink each time the printer does this (which is more often than just when it is shut down).  The suspensions are designed to be easily maintained.

As far as vigorous shaking, I would caution against that, and do feel it is unnecessary.  When I buy a new cartridge I gently agitate with it laying flat, rotating it constantly for several minutes.  Of course I also don’t buy expired inks so I have less concern than others, but there are plenty of epson users that have done very well (such as Dan) which indicates coagulation isn’t a problem.
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Re: Orange Channel "Clog" in Epson 9900
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2019, 10:46:05 am »

My Epson 9900 has developed a problem in the orange channel. The Nozzle Check printout shows 3 or 4 lines completely missing in the middle of the orange channel grid. I have tried repeated cleanings, including CL4 level cleanings in the Service Mode. I have also tried using a paper towel soaked with Windex and positioning it behind the print head overnight. I have had many nozzle clogs over the years but they all eventually cleared. This problem appears to be beyond a mere clog, and I suspect the print head needs to be replaced. The cost in labor and materials to replace the head is between $2k and $2.5k. Not really cost effective for an 8 year old printer. I would be better off just buying a new printer. However, I am wondering about the practical significance in terms of print quality of losing part of the nozzles in the orange channel. Is the orange channel only used by the printer to handle certain warm colors that would otherwise be out of gamut with the yellow and  two magenta inks?
TIA.

FWIW, Ink Jet Mall sells Piezoflush, a cleaning liquid designed specifically for this. I don't know if it's any better than windex, but worth a try perhaps?
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Re: Orange Channel "Clog" in Epson 9900
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2019, 11:52:37 am »

FWIW, Ink Jet Mall sells Piezoflush, a cleaning liquid designed specifically for this. I don't know if it's any better than windex, but worth a try perhaps?
I tried it on my 9900 and it didn't work. Once the head is dead it's dead.
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Re: Orange Channel "Clog" in Epson 9900
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2019, 06:53:30 am »

FWIW, Ink Jet Mall sells Piezoflush, a cleaning liquid designed specifically for this. I don't know if it's any better than windex, but worth a try perhaps?

As far as I know Epson has never issued a statement about the InkJet Mall cleaning fluid being hazardous to the print head, but they have certainly done so concerning Windex, especially the type that contains ammonia.  Whether or not the InkJet Mall product cleans the print head remains to be seen, but apparently it is at least safe to use for that purpose.  Therefore, in that respect I would say it is better.
   
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