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Title: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: StuartOnline on April 21, 2015, 12:04:05 pm
Adobe now has the new Adobe Lightroom CC on the Website:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Bob Rockefeller on April 21, 2015, 12:15:10 pm
Adobe now has the new Adobe Lightroom CC on the Website:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

And it will all soon hit the fan. LR6 is the last standalone version - new features won't come to it, only CC.

Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: m_rouleau on April 21, 2015, 12:28:16 pm
Anyone else feel ... underwhelmed?

Not that the new features aren't welcome, of course, but I would have expected something more, I dunno, visionary, after almost two years.

Instead we get a podge of features from other programs that are either long overdue (such as face recog., performance increase) or borderline useful (HDR and pano no longer require a host program, which is nice, I guess, if you don't have PS or Elements).

Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 12:33:45 pm
And it will all soon hit the fan. LR6 is the last standalone version - new features won't come to it, only CC.
Really? Where does Adobe say that? If so, I have to do some rethinking about this...
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Bob Rockefeller on April 21, 2015, 12:36:20 pm
Really? Where does Adobe say that? If so, I have to do some rethinking about this...

It's on Kelby's site in the Q&A:

http://kelbyone.com/lightroom-cc-live-webcasts/
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 12:38:47 pm
It's on Kelby's site in the Q&A:
http://kelbyone.com/lightroom-cc-live-webcasts/
Forgive me if I avoid any and everything to do with Kelby.
I may have initially misread what you wrote as this is nothing new. Now, that said, LR5 will not get any upgrades either and that's expected. LR7 however should be available as an upgrade just like LR6 was to LR5. So I don't know why this should hit the fan.
LR will continue to be a perpetual license, we're not forced into subscription and if we wish new features, we must upgrade as was the case since day one.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: davidgp on April 21, 2015, 12:45:25 pm
In Richard Curtis blog you have detailed every new feature: http://blogs.adobe.com/richardcurtis/?p=4374

Nice, in my Creative Cloud Desktop Client it still does not allow me to download Lightroom 6... and me thinking we were going to be the first in see it...
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 12:45:30 pm
How do you install this? I have Creative Cloud but when I try to update it says it's installing Lightroom 5???
Same on this end. I suspect it is a rolling update as not to down the CC severs?
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: davidgp on April 21, 2015, 12:48:46 pm
Same on this end. I suspect it is a rolling update as not to down the CC severs?

I suppose, anyway, I will go to the sofa to suffer my cold while I wait for it :)
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on April 21, 2015, 12:49:17 pm
I don't know where you see stand alone LR6. All I see is CC options.  It says "Buy Now", but it should say "Vaseline free Rentals Now".

regardless, I am glad I purchased all the other Dev apps like DxO, Capture1, and a few others, as that will sadly be my LAST application besides Acrobat that I would have with Adobe.
I don't need their stupid surprise when the time does come that they wish to have it CC only.

Anyone have a link to LR6 purchase? I don't see it at all on the Adobe sight.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Bob Rockefeller on April 21, 2015, 12:54:17 pm
Forgive me if I avoid any and everything to do with Kelby.
I may have initially misread what you wrote as this is nothing new. Now, that said, LR5 will not get any upgrades either and that's expected. LR7 however should be available as an upgrade just like LR6 was to LR5. So I don't know why this should hit the fan.
LR will continue to be a perpetual license, we're not forced into subscription and if we wish new features, we must upgrade as was the case since day one.

This may be true. There may well be a LR7 as a standalone version.

But Kelby's note suggests there will be no LR6.1 and no new camera support, except in the CC version.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: davidgp on April 21, 2015, 12:59:41 pm
This may be true. There may well be a LR7 as a standalone version.

But Kelby's note suggests there will be no LR6.1 and no new camera support, except in the CC version.

Not sure about LR7... that it is up to Adobe to do, but I will be quite surprise if LR6.x versions are not free for people that bought LR6 as stand-alone license, since many of those version are bugfixes and new lenses support (some new features come from time to time). After all, they are doing something similar with Camara Raw for Photoshop CS6.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:00:45 pm
But Kelby's note suggests there will be no LR6.1 and no new camera support, except in the CC version.
What he suggests isn't of interest to me. It makes zero sense for Adobe to release a perpetual license without dot releases. It's never happened before. AFAIK for ANY Adobe product. New features? OK, I'm on board with that, LR6 perpetual will not get them. Bug fixes, new camera support? Been done since day one.
Now, if someone inside Adobe writes that LR6 is and always remains fixed as it was released today, no bug releases, no camera releases, yes the poop will hit the fan.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: ButchM on April 21, 2015, 01:01:18 pm
This may be true. There may well be a LR7 as a standalone version.

But Kelby's note suggests there will be no LR6.1 and no new camera support, except in the CC version.

Kelby's quote does not mention new camera support. Which is why we need to track down the actual policy statement from Adobe.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:02:10 pm
Kelby's quote does not mention new camera support. Which is why we need to track down the actual policy statement from Adobe.
And if true ignore Kelby!
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Bob Rockefeller on April 21, 2015, 01:03:34 pm
What he suggests isn't of interest to me. It makes zero sense for Adobe to release a perpetual license without dot releases. It's never happened before. AFAIK for ANY Adobe product. New features? OK, I'm on board with that, LR6 perpetual will not get them. Bug fixes, new camera support? Been done since day one.
Now, if someone inside Adobe writes that LR6 is and always remains fixed as it was released today, no bug releases, no camera releases, yes the poop will hit the fan.


We need Adobe's official statement. Kelby does not exclude bug fixes. But he does specifically say enhancements. Is new camera support an enhancement? We'll see...
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: francois on April 21, 2015, 01:03:59 pm
…Anyone have a link to LR6 purchase? I don't see it at all on the Adobe sight.

Edit: link doesn't work so you need to find your way from the Lightroom page (https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html)… scroll down at the bottom of the page…
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:08:28 pm
We need Adobe's official statement. Kelley does not exclude bug fixes. But he does specifically say enhancements. Is new camera support an enhancement? We'll see...
This again is typical Kelby speak that someone at Adobe should have looked over. And if it's a copy and paste from Adobe, shame on them. No new enhancements (features) makes total sense. We've seen that from day one as I wrote. The statement as presented by Kelby IS a good excuse for the Adobe haters to get out the axes and pitchforks when, the reality is probably the same as we've seen since day one: there will be dot releases and new camera support, no new features. How darn hard would it have been for Kelby and maybe Adobe to state this? IOW gang, nothing new here, don't get alarmed, don't suggest the poop will hit the fan. As presented by the first and I suspect largest source of info, Kelby, that's exactly what appears to be happening. 
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 01:20:48 pm
Upgrades to LR6 (perpetual) are apparently only available directly from Adobe via download, like they did with PS CS6.  $79 as before. 
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:29:28 pm
Upgrades to LR6 (perpetual) are apparently only available directly from Adobe via download, like they did with PS CS6.  $79 as before. 
This begs a question. My LR5 is perpetual but I also have the full CC subscription. So I think I'll wait till tonight to see if indeed, CC will provide an upgrade. 
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rhossydd on April 21, 2015, 01:37:25 pm
No new enhancements (features) makes total sense. We've seen that from day one as I wrote.
I don't think that's correct. I can remember one version having a significant new feature added in a dot release.  Must have been back in 3 or 4 because I can't remember the full details now.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:42:25 pm
I don't think that's correct. I can remember one version having a significant new feature added in a dot release.  Must have been back in 3 or 4 because I can't remember the full details now.
You're probably correct, and yes, I recall the same plus nothing stops Adobe from adding new features to a dot release. But providing NO bug fixes, new camera support, new lens profile support as 'suggested' by Kelby doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Wayne Fox on April 21, 2015, 01:46:08 pm
I tend to agree,  Kelby’s statement pretty much reiterates the policy that has been in place and actually frustrated CC users for the past year or more.  Despite 5.x releases to add camera support and fix bugs, new features in ACR were not provided to users of LR on the cloud for “legal” reasons.  So things like editing of graduated filters which have been in ACR for some time now were not available in LR until now.

I see the LR CC release as a way to avoid that going forward.  Now whether Adobe will eventually releases a stand alone LR 7 as features are added to LR CC remains to be seen, but the statement made by Kelby could easily have been made a year or two ago ... nothing new.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Wayne Fox on April 21, 2015, 01:47:30 pm
This begs a question. My LR5 is perpetual but I also have the full CC subscription. So I think I'll wait till tonight to see if indeed, CC will provide an upgrade. 
I also have both, and LR CC was available when I powered up my Mac, now installed and ready to launch.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Bob Rockefeller on April 21, 2015, 01:47:49 pm
You're probably correct, and yes, I recall the same plus nothing stops Adobe from adding new features to a dot release. But providing NO bug fixes, new camera support, new lens profile support as 'suggested' by Kelby doesn't make any sense.

There was no suggestion of no bug fixes. It said no new features or enhancements. What's a feature? What's an enhancement?
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:50:19 pm
Now whether Adobe will eventually releases a stand alone LR 7 as features are added to LR CC remains to be seen, but the statement made by Kelby could easily have been made a year or two ago ... nothing new.
Worse, it is bad marketing speak towards Adobe as witnessed here where folks wonder if the poop will hit the fan. The audience here on LuLa is by and large, pretty savvy. Imagine the Kelby audience believing what he 'suggests' or those on 'that other forum'. In the rush to be first out the door, the signal/benefit to noise/BS ratio is skewed once again.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 01:51:28 pm
There was no suggestion of no bug fixes. It said no new features or enhancements. What's a feature? What's an enhancement?
Your confusion is justified by the piss-poor text you posted from Kelby. Ask him. But don't take it to the bank just yet.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: ButchM on April 21, 2015, 01:52:43 pm
What's a feature? What's an enhancement?


historically ... adobe has not referred new camera support or lens profiles as new features or new enhancements ...
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: davidgp on April 21, 2015, 02:03:48 pm
Just for your information, Adobe has also released Camera Raw 9 with Panorama and HDR: https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 02:08:47 pm
This begs a question. My LR5 is perpetual but I also have the full CC subscription. So I think I'll wait till tonight to see if indeed, CC will provide an upgrade. 

Yes, my LR5 is also a perpetual version.  I'll continue to ugrade the perpetual license to use on my laptop while traveling. 
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 02:10:55 pm
Yes, my LR5 is also a perpetual version.  I'll continue to ugrade the perpetual license to use on my laptop while traveling. 
Sounds like a plan but there might be a rub. I did download and install LR6, it updated my catalog. The older catalog is there as well. I (we) need to test if a LR6 catalog is backwards compatible. Otherwise we need two catalogs which makes this somewhat problematic.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: pigpen on April 21, 2015, 02:11:39 pm
Warning - I had a licenced version of  Lightroom 5, I went to download the new Lightroom 6 and it instead put Lightroom (5) CC on my machine so I deleted it and then found they had removed my licenced version 5 from my machine. I'm so pissed off.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 02:16:23 pm
Warning - I had a licenced version of  Lightroom 5, I went to download the new Lightroom 6 and it instead put Lightroom (5) CC on my machine so I deleted it and then found they had removed my licenced version 5 from my machine. I'm so pissed off.
I've got both on my machine after the update. LR6 is now within a folder, with an uninstaller as well. The older LR5 app was named "Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5" while the folder is named "Adobe Lightroom". I'm not sure if you had identical names and as such, the older version was over written by new?
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Manoli on April 21, 2015, 02:16:48 pm
I suggest reading Ian Lyons rundown on the new Lr.
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr6_review/lr6-review-1.htm

Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: davidgp on April 21, 2015, 02:17:40 pm
Sounds like a plan but there might be a rub. I did download and install LR6, it updated my catalog. The older catalog is there as well. I (we) need to test if a LR6 catalog is backwards compatible. Otherwise we need two catalogs which makes this somewhat problematic.

From where did you download it, everytime I go to download from the adobe webpage (spanish version after login), it just downloads the Adobe Creative Cloud installer...
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 02:19:51 pm
From where did you download it, everytime I go to download from the adobe webpage (spanish version after login), it just downloads the Adobe Creative Cloud installer...
I downloaded via my CC subscription but I was only able to do so after a restart.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: davidgp on April 21, 2015, 02:22:55 pm
I downloaded via my CC subscription but I was only able to do so after a restart.

Ok, I need first for Final Cut X to finish uploading a video to youtube... then I can restart. Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: rdonson on April 21, 2015, 02:23:33 pm
The Kelby video went about like Andrew predicted.  Here's my summary:

The new features look quite good but not exactly earth shattering although the performance improvements with use of the GPU could be.

The video went like this after starting about 15 min late due to tech difficulties:
Blather, Blather, Blather, Ad, Blather, Blather, Blather, Shameless Plug, Blather, Blather, Blather,Show new feature, Blather, Blather, Blather, Bad Joke, Blather, Blather, Blather,

Repeat until you're out of time.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 02:25:28 pm
Sounds like a plan but there might be a rub. I did download and install LR6, it updated my catalog. The older catalog is there as well. I (we) need to test if a LR6 catalog is backwards compatible. Otherwise we need two catalogs which makes this somewhat problematic.

Do you mean compatibility between LR6 and LR "CC"?  I guess it really doesn't matter to me, because I'll probably just run LR6 and not bother with the CC version.
But it's a good question.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 02:28:46 pm
The new features look quite good but not exactly earth shattering although the performance improvements with use of the GPU could be.
He promised something BIG. I guess we can expect some honesty once he's pulled in his audience.
Playing with Face Detection, kind of cool. I'm hoping that as I decide what faces NOT to include, LR will keep them from coming up for inclusion to reject. It missed a number of shots that are obviously not faces. An image with a stop sign in it was funny to see included. Scrolling in Grid does seem a bit zippier.
No dogs are detected and that's a major disappointment but I'm only partially though the catalog.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 02:30:55 pm
Do you mean compatibility between LR6 and LR "CC"?  
No, my old LR5 catalog and new LR6 catalog. I'll keep the older around with the app which is perpetual. But if I can't take the LR6 catalog back to version 5, I'll end up deleting it and the older application once I'm sure I want to move forward.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 02:35:27 pm
From where did you download it, everytime I go to download from the adobe webpage (spanish version after login), it just downloads the Adobe Creative Cloud installer...

For LR 6:  On the US site go to the LR page.  Scroll all the way to the bottom and you'll see a small panel to buy LR 6.  At the shopping cart, you can click the "Edit" button and can then select to upgrade LR for $79 rather than buy the full version.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: rdonson on April 21, 2015, 02:38:32 pm
He promised something BIG. I guess we can expect some honesty once he's pulled in his audience.

I think the BIG was the 15 new classes on LR 6/CC KelbyOne. Hopefully not all done by Kelby himself.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 02:42:23 pm
No, my old LR5 catalog and new LR6 catalog. I'll keep the older around with the app which is perpetual. But if I can't take the LR6 catalog back to version 5, I'll end up deleting it and the older application once I'm sure I want to move forward.

Ah.  I read on one of the sites that LR6 will need a new catalog and won't be backward compatible.  But I've been looking at so many sites this afternoon that I couldn't tell you where I saw it.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 02:43:22 pm
I think the BIG was the 15 new classes on LR 6/CC KelbyOne. Hopefully not all done by Kelby himself.
ALL those classes for an upgrade he presumably admits is not exactly earth shattering? A guess suckers are born every minute and they will sign up and pay for something they can get better for free without a lick of sales. Julieann's video on Face Detection was all I needed to get started using the feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45_zCZnqmqU
A mere 5:39 minutes of my time, no BS, no hype and best yet, pic's of Julieann as a child and teenager.  :P
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: StuartOnline on April 21, 2015, 02:43:36 pm
Just in case you are still waiting for Lightroom CC to show up in you Creative Cloud account is if you sign out and then sign back in Lightroom CC will show up.

Stu
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: john beardsworth on April 21, 2015, 02:45:02 pm
And it will all soon hit the fan. LR6 is the last standalone version - new features won't come to it, only CC.

I can understand why you might interpret Kelby's words that way, Bob, but it certainly doesn't say that Lr6 is the "last standalone version". It says no new features will be added to Lr6. It does not say there will be no Lr7.

No new features for Lr6 is no different to Lr5 where the brush extension to the grad and radial filters was added to ACR/CC but didn't arrive in Lr until today.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 02:55:22 pm
Well, this was unexpected.  I bought the perpetual LR6 upgrade intending to use the perpetual version on both laptop and desktop (even though I have the Photography Plan, I've never loaded LIghtroom as part of CC).  But it installed not as LR 6, but as LR CC.  Crap.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: john beardsworth on April 21, 2015, 03:03:47 pm
But it installed not as LR 6, but as LR CC.  Crap.

Why, what's actually wrong?
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 03:19:12 pm
Why, what's actually wrong?

I want to keep LR as a perpetual license on my laptop, and therefore I'd like to keep the same on my desktop.  I don't know how LR CC will diverge from LR6 over the course of time, so I want the same app on both machines.  I never downloaded LR via CC, and kept with my perpetual LR5.  I want to continue that.  Maybe I should have signed out of CC before I installed LR6...
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Alun on April 21, 2015, 03:19:59 pm
No layers?! No content aware stuff?! The same ACR Process Engine?! Hardly warrants a version increase really
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: ButchM on April 21, 2015, 03:21:37 pm
The Kelby video went about like Andrew predicted.  Here's my summary:

The new features look quite good but not exactly earth shattering although the performance improvements with use of the GPU could be.

The video went like this after starting about 15 min late due to tech difficulties:
Blather, Blather, Blather, Ad, Blather, Blather, Blather, Shameless Plug, Blather, Blather, Blather,Show new feature, Blather, Blather, Blather, Bad Joke, Blather, Blather, Blather,

Repeat until you're out of time.

Conversely ... I actually enjoyed the free webinar offered today by Creative Live with Jared Platt  and Matt Kloskowski ... while I don't always agree with Matt K ... I do find him sincere in his efforts to share and inform. There was a bit of commercialization but just enough to pay their way ... not bowl you over with ceaseless efforts to lighten your wallet ...  ;)
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: john beardsworth on April 21, 2015, 03:22:32 pm
I want to keep LR as a perpetual license on my laptop, and therefore I'd like to keep the same on my desktop.  I don't know how LR CC will diverge from LR6 over the course of time, so I want the same app on both machines.  I never downloaded LR via CC, and kept with my perpetual LR5.  I want to continue that.  Maybe I should have signed out of CC before I installed LR6...

AFAICS the only divergence will be LrMobile.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: john beardsworth on April 21, 2015, 03:23:21 pm
No layers?! No content aware stuff?! Hardly warrants a version increase really

Sorry, that's just nonsense.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Chris Kern on April 21, 2015, 03:31:55 pm
Well, this was unexpected.  I bought the perpetual LR6 upgrade intending to use the perpetual version on both laptop and desktop (even though I have the Photography Plan, I've never loaded LIghtroom as part of CC).  But it installed not as LR 6, but as LR CC.

I suspect that's just the way Adobe is branding the new version.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: NancyP on April 21, 2015, 03:35:20 pm
I never try to download something on the first day or two of release. I let other people swamp the server. To tell the truth, the only thing that sounded interesting in Lr5 was radial gradient. I am still on Lr4. Lr4 process 2012 was a major step forward, probably more important than anything since then. I will buy Lr6 after the dust settles, or perhaps only when I move to a Retina laptop. I gather that Lr4 and Lr5 run pretty slowly on Retina laptops. Lr4 is not too slow for the non-Retina MBPs (circa 2010). C'mon, laptop, you can make it another 6 months to a year....  :D
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: john beardsworth on April 21, 2015, 03:45:37 pm
I suspect that's just the way Adobe is branding the new version.

No, it's Lightroom recognising that you are signed in with an active CC account, using that to start up the software (See the Help>System Info dialog), and not then needing to look for the perpetual licence. The versions are identical apart from LrMobile being active, though in their branding they are certainly going to emphasize CC and Cloud-connected workflows like LrMobile, Slate (http://lightroomsolutions.com/adobes-slate-and-lightroom-mobile/), Comp (http://lightroomsolutions.com/adobe-comp-and-lightroom/) etc.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: NancyP on April 21, 2015, 03:46:57 pm
OK, Lr6/LrCC uses OpenGL 3.3 and the GPU to speed rendering, and it is speedier, according to the user in the link below. This sounds promising.
https://photographylife.com/lightroom-6-announcement-and-preview#more-106458 and other sources listed previously in the thread.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on April 21, 2015, 03:48:17 pm
ALL those classes for an upgrade he presumably admits is not exactly earth shattering? A guess suckers are born every minute and they will sign up and pay for something they can get better for free without a lick of sales. Julieann's video on Face Detection was all I needed to get started using the feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45_zCZnqmqU
A mere 5:39 minutes of my time, no BS, no hype and best yet, pic's of Julieann as a child and teenager.  :P

I agree, Julieanne's tutorials really rock. No BS, full of factual info, and great examples, all in a tight timeframe.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: headmj on April 21, 2015, 03:49:56 pm
I did the upgrade about about 13:00 EDT.  I upgraded adobe CC.  When that finished I upgraded Lightroom CC.  Absolutely no problems.  I then allowed the PS CC and bridge to update.  No problem.  Ran all the new applications.  No problem.  I will actually try to edit and print some photos this evening.

The HDR and Panorama capabilities will be greatly appreciated.  I really hated to lose the flexibility of my raw files when I had to take them to photoshop (or a 3rd party program) for either process.

It already apparent that the speed is better.  I will make a better judgment of this tonight.

Nice job.

Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rhossydd on April 21, 2015, 04:00:32 pm
Anyone else feel ... underwhelmed?
Yes.
There's a few nice new refinements to the feature set, but a lot of what people have asked for seems to have been over looked.

Editing masks is good, but where are the different colour options for the overlay so we can see easily what's going on ?
The enhancement to the painter option in library is useful, but only a small step forward to aid keywording.
Nice to be able to soft proof with CMYK profiles.
The panorama feature seems to work well enough.
Face detection isn't of much interest.
I'm puzzled why the HDR option only delivers a 16bit file when LR can handle 32bit files, a lost opportunity there I think.

But no significant improvement to the book module or key wording <sigh> at least it's cheap.

Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: jrp on April 21, 2015, 04:03:23 pm
How do you uninstall LR5 cleanly?

There seems to be no uninstall option in the CC App.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 21, 2015, 04:04:39 pm
Nice to be able to soft proof with CMYK profiles
Not just soft proofing, they appear in the Print Module. So somewhat on parity with ACR which is kind of nice.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on April 21, 2015, 04:07:19 pm
LR CC...
Is it equal to LR6 upgrade?...As far as the Whats New page?

It lists these as New features or improvements:
HDR images made easy: Nice
Stunning panoramas: Nice
Faster performance: MUST
Facial recognition: Whatever.(resource hog)
Advanced video slide shows: Meh
Improved web galleries: Eh
Better control of filters: MUST
Easy photo sharing: OK
Support for more devices: Other than cameras, like scanners?
Visual storytelling: Meh, ok, why not. I'm open to new things
Copy-paste enhancements: Sounds nice
Perfect presentations: Sure, why not
Fast photo searching: This maybe helpful
Quick composition adjustment: Ok, why not.

If the performance actually improves noticeably, and filter control is improved, that would be worth it for me. The other few are OK/Whatever, and some that will be a hindrance.

As others mentioned I wish there were more control features like color on local adjusts.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: gazwas on April 21, 2015, 04:25:12 pm
How do you uninstall LR5 cleanly?

There seems to be no uninstall option in the CC App.

See the link below as its a manual uninstall only with LR5 for some reason.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/manually-remove-lightroom.html (https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/manually-remove-lightroom.html)

Never used LR since version 2 but have just signed up to the CC Photography plan and installed LR from the CC desktop app for a play (Capture One user) but it installed LR5 for some reason? Signing in and out gave the option of LR CC but I then had a LR5 install I didn't want.....  >:(

 The instructions above seemed to do the trick.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 04:40:10 pm
No, it's Lightroom recognising that you are signed in with an active CC account, using that to start up the software (See the Help>System Info dialog), and not then needing to look for the perpetual licence. The versions are identical apart from LrMobile being active, though in their branding they are certainly going to emphasize CC and Cloud-connected workflows like LrMobile, Slate (http://lightroomsolutions.com/adobes-slate-and-lightroom-mobile/), Comp (http://lightroomsolutions.com/adobe-comp-and-lightroom/) etc.

Yes, but I don't want to run the CC version.  I don't want to travel with a program that can inconveniently want an internet connection.  I realize that I'm basically buying this software twice, but I want to maintain a perpetual license and Adobe seems to be preventing me from using it, even though I've paid for one.  Since I'm required to sign in to my account in order to install the software, this is going to happen again when I put it on the laptop, even though I have no CC apps installed at all.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: PeterAit on April 21, 2015, 04:45:35 pm
Adobe now has the new Adobe Lightroom CC on the Website:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

Imagine my thrill. Yes, that's sarcasm.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: john beardsworth on April 21, 2015, 04:53:21 pm
Yes, but I don't want to run the CC version.  I don't want to travel with a program that can inconveniently want an internet connection.  I realize that I'm basically buying this software twice, but I want to maintain a perpetual license and Adobe seems to be preventing me from using it, even though I've paid for one.  Since I'm required to sign in to my account in order to install the software, this is going to happen again when I put it on the laptop, even though I have no CC apps installed at all.

Have you tried signing out in LR on the laptop? It's under the Help menu on Mac. Not sure it will help, but maybe when you restart LR and go to Help > System Info you'll see it's using the perpetual licence (second line down) rather than CC.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rory on April 21, 2015, 05:01:54 pm
Lightroom CC will not run on my PC running Win7 64 SP1.  I'm seeing lots of reports of the same.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Adam L on April 21, 2015, 05:08:00 pm
Adobe has dropped the word 'Photoshop' from Lightroom's name.   This must mean that the two products will move in different directions.   All of the CC products have dropped the year and release version from the product names too.   I see this as a subtle rebranding but likely the first step towards something bigger.  
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Matulaitis on April 21, 2015, 05:17:14 pm
LR CC running fine here on my Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit w/ 16 gb ram
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 05:17:18 pm
I actually can't install it on my current laptop (not 64 bit) -- the laptop upgrade is a couple of months away.  But as soon as I sign into my account to install the download, I'm told that I have a valid license and don't need to install as a trial -- which is where I would use the serial number.  Given that we now have to be connected to the internet to get this software going, the same will happen on the new laptop.  I've got a question in on the Adobe LR forum.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rory on April 21, 2015, 05:21:41 pm
I found a solution on this very site: http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=99718.0
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: David Luery on April 21, 2015, 05:50:45 pm
For LR 6:  On the US site go to the LR page.  Scroll all the way to the bottom and you'll see a small panel to buy LR 6.  At the shopping cart, you can click the "Edit" button and can then select to upgrade LR for $79 rather than buy the full version.
However, to obtain the Lr6 upgrade, at least if you are a CC subscriber, you will need to be sure you are not logged in to the Adobe website.  Otherwise you won't see the option to purchase the Lr6 upgrade.

Best,

David
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rick Popham on April 21, 2015, 06:17:13 pm
I found a solution on this very site: http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=99718.0

I'm not sure if this reply was meant for me.  The new Lightroom runs fine on my computer (Win 8.1 64-Bit), but it runs as LRCC (subscription), not LR6 (perpetual).  I've been trying to serialize it to run as a perpetual product, but it doesn't seem to be possible.  In fact, when I posted the question on Lightroom Journal, Jeff Tranberry said that I would have to quit my CC membership in order to serialize LR6.  
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rory on April 21, 2015, 06:31:21 pm
I'm not sure if this reply was meant for me.  The new Lightroom runs fine on my computer (Win 8.1 64-Bit), but it runs as LRCC (subscription), not LR6 (perpetual).  I've been trying to serialize it to run as a perpetual product, but it doesn't seem to be possible.  In fact, when I posted the question on Lightroom Journal, Jeff Tranberry said that I would have to quit my CC membership in order to serialize LR6.  

Rick - I was answering my previous post where I was unable to run Lightroom CC 2015.  Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: James R on April 21, 2015, 06:53:19 pm
I just added LR CC to my Adobe Creative Cloud.  It installed properly and it is included in my CC subscription package (no increase in charges).  There are a number of improvements, but anticipating improved adjustment brushes and faux layers made it a bit of a let down.  What I noticed immediately was a definite speed improvement and it is really appreciated. 

I assume LR CC means an end of waiting for update to ACR and new features, while the standalone version would continue to be updated as before.

Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: SangRaal on April 21, 2015, 07:50:17 pm
 Ugg LightRoom 2015(CC) Downloaded for me but I couldn't open it, Windows 7 pro 64 desktop machine 32gb of ram, rebooted after install; does any body have any ideas?? I have currently uninstalled the program before it did anything to my LightRoom 5 catalog. Today was a very frustrating day that began with my epson printer suddenly deciding to no longer print reds.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: ButchM on April 21, 2015, 07:54:54 pm
Ugg LightRoom 2015(CC) Downloaded for me but I couldn't open it, Windows 7 pro 64 desktop machine 32gb of ram, rebooted after install; does any body have any ideas?? I have currently uninstalled the program before it did anything to my LightRoom 5 catalog. Today was a very frustrating day that began with my epson printer suddenly deciding to no longer print reds.

Log out of your CC account , then log back in. Many users had this problem today. Slight glitch in verifying licensing for the new version. This method seemed to fix it in most cases.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Wayne Fox on April 21, 2015, 08:34:19 pm
Log out of your CC account , then log back in. Many users had this problem today. Slight glitch in verifying licensing for the new version. This method seemed to fix it in most cases.
Yes, we've installed on 3 different Macs, and all three just flashed the startup screen and quit.  Logging out of CC and back in resolved this.

One problem persisting on one machine is when launching, LR CC crashes before opening the main window.  The current "fix" is to hold to the option /alt key and then select the catalog from the list.  It's the same catalog  that was running before, so not sure if there is a preference problem, but it seems the catalog file should be OK.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: tongelsing on April 21, 2015, 08:34:49 pm
Dumb question maybe but how I do log out from the Creative Cloud. Is that the same as quitting CC.

I have the same problem. Installed LRcc via the cloud but it will not start up. I gives only in a short flash the welcome screen.
The problem occurred on my Mac desktop as well on my Mac laptop.

......Problem solved.....
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Wayne Fox on April 21, 2015, 08:35:49 pm
Pretty good video from Julieanne Kost on some of the new little features ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZErV1m1uQ
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Wayne Fox on April 21, 2015, 08:36:23 pm
Dumb question maybe but how I do log out from the Creative Cloud. Is that the same as quitting CC.

I have the same problem. Installed LRcc via the cloud but it will not start up. I gives only in a short flash the welcome screen.
The problem occurred on my Mac desktop as well on my Mac laptop.


click the gear in the creative cloud window, and select preferences.  You'll see the sign out button.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: SangRaal on April 22, 2015, 07:48:42 am
Thank you Wayne Fox your advice worked 2015CC up and running.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Rand47 on April 22, 2015, 05:33:33 pm
Anyone else feel ... underwhelmed?

Not that the new features aren't welcome, of course, but I would have expected something more, I dunno, visionary, after almost two years.

Instead we get a podge of features from other programs that are either long overdue (such as face recog., performance increase) or borderline useful (HDR and pano no longer require a host program, which is nice, I guess, if you don't have PS or Elements).



The improvments to the Slide Show module are appreciated, and the adjustment brush to mask out portions of gradients is a very worthwhile additoin - as for the rest, including facial recognition, meh...

It seems as though in so many areas of the digital world we're approaching, or have reached, plateaus of performance. 

Not a complaint, just not as exciting as the heady days of huge jumps foward with every incremental release.  Our tools are pretty mature.  Amazing how easy it is to take for granted the sea change of the last few years.

Rand
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: digitaldog on April 22, 2015, 05:42:56 pm
It seems as though in so many areas of the digital world we're approaching, or have reached, plateaus of performance. 
That's my impression too. Been in this from the beginning (couple months after Photoshop 1 first shipped). It seemed every X number of months, something really new came along in hardware and software.
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: tom.rutherfoord on April 22, 2015, 05:46:54 pm
How do you install this? I have Creative Cloud but when I try to update it says it's installing Lightroom 5???

You have to sign out and back into the Creative Cloud app before it will show up
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Remo Nonaz on April 22, 2015, 09:27:35 pm
I must be missing something. I downloaded and installed the new components of Lr5 (CC) and my Creative Cloud monitor says Lr is up to date. But, when I open Lr, it does not say Lr CC, it says Lr 5.7 and none of the new feature are available. I've gone through the process three times and it is still the same.

When I go to Help>Check for Updates, the display says new software is available. Apparently I am opening the old version. How do you open the new version?

Update: I have a new Lightroom button in my start bar. Clicking on it does nothing. However, right clicking on it shows the properties, which say it was installed yesterday. So, I assume this is the shortcut to open Lightroom CC, but it does not work. Now what?

Update: I found this link: https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/unable-launch-lightroom-55.html (https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/unable-launch-lightroom-55.html), followed the instructions and it solved the problem.
 
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: jjj on May 03, 2015, 09:43:26 pm
I've been trying to serialize it to run as a perpetual product, but it doesn't seem to be possible.  In fact, when I posted the question on Lightroom Journal, Jeff Tranberry said that I would have to quit my CC membership in order to serialize LR6. 
Have you tried using a different Adobe ID for your perpetual licence? Maybe that would get around the issue?
Title: Re: Lightroom CC Now Released
Post by: Remo Nonaz on May 04, 2015, 06:24:49 am
No. Following the information in the link provided solved the issue. I have Windows Autoplay open Lr5 yesterday when I went to do an import. I think I need to uninstall Lr5 to fix this issue.