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Title: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: David TM on March 14, 2015, 02:52:54 am
I'm looking to replace a laptop - 5yr old Sony Viao - that has good color rendition. While the Sony is a decent enough machine, it's color is pretty bad and, while traveling,  I wouldn't  try to use it to do any color work. I have a good monitor at home to do that. In general I assume that LED backlighting is a preferred choice. Prowling the stores isn't very helpful because the images on display there are so vivid. No store would allow me to plug in my flash drive that has a selection of color cal images on it.

By the way, I live in the windows world.

Thanks for your suggestions and opinions.

Thanks
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: graeme on March 14, 2015, 08:09:04 am
I find that I get a quite useable screen to print match with my 13" retina macbook. ( I print from Lightroom & use soft proofing. I use a DTP94 puck & BasiCColor Display 5 to calibrate the screen ).

I believe that the macbook will run Windows.

Graeme
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: RobSaecker on March 15, 2015, 11:53:27 pm
I can’t recall the last time I visited a store selling computers that didn’t have working internet access for their display models, which allows you to visit any website you like (your own, perhaps?) to see how the colors are displayed.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Rhossydd on March 16, 2015, 05:20:10 am
I recently bought a refurbished Lenovo ThinkPad X220. The important aspect to this is that you can get good IPS screens for them and they're dead easy to swap over.
For about £350 I've ended up with a small, fast laptop with a great screen and battery life.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Erland on March 16, 2015, 06:33:07 am
I have a Retina 13, and is very satisfied with the colors and the gamut. The X220 has a nice panel, though the gamut is very small even compared with sRGB. I'd say you should decide between Mac or PC first, and then narrow down your choices.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Rhossydd on March 16, 2015, 09:56:03 am
The X220 has a nice panel, though the gamut is very small even compared with sRGB.
Wide gamuts may not be important to everyone. For me I prefer to have good colour and tonal accuracy across a small gamut, rather than trying to work with screen that shift tones whenever viewing angle shifts at all.
Crucially, it's excellent value for money.
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I'd say you should decide between Mac or PC first, and then narrow down your choices.
The OP asks for a Windows machine. Running Windows on a Mac seems to be the worst of both worlds with the advantages of neither.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on March 16, 2015, 10:21:26 am
Thanks for your suggestions and opinions.

you will be better served by visiting forums like :

http://forum.techinferno.com or http://forum.notebookreview.com

Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: digitaldog on March 16, 2015, 10:44:12 am
Running Windows on a Mac seems to be the worst of both worlds with the advantages of neither.
How? It runs Windows natively doesn't it (as well as OS X)? Seems like the best of both worlds...
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Rhossydd on March 16, 2015, 11:20:42 am
How?
All the expense of a Mac, none of the economies of a PC.
Don't get me wrong, Macs are fine if to you want to use OSX, but it makes no sense to me to spend that premium and then use another OS.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Jimbo57 on March 16, 2015, 12:26:29 pm
All the expense of a Mac, none of the economies of a PC.
Don't get me wrong, Macs are fine if to you want to use OSX, but it makes no sense to me to spend that premium and then use another OS.

It certainly makes no sense at all.

Our Photographic Society, for some reason best known to the President at the time, spent an inordinate amount of money on a Macbook Pro.

Then discovered that it would not run the .exe files that all our AVs are run from after compilation in Pictures-to-Exe or ProShow Gold.

So we had to install a Windows partition. So now we have a "Windows Mac" with a third of the power at three times the price of a proper Windows laptop.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: digitaldog on March 16, 2015, 12:38:35 pm
All the expense of a Mac, none of the economies of a PC.
Ah, OK.

My first Mac (1st computer) was an SE-30 in 1988. I got my first Windows machine probably about 3-4 years ago (a Laptop) running Windows 7 on a Core i5. I could have installed that OS on my Mac running a dual boot and my understating was, due to the Intel chip and such, I'd have an PC (Windows) machine. I use the PC maybe twice a year for maybe 8 hours. Because I hate using it for a number of reasons, many totally subjective. In hindsight, for the storage used for another OS, I could have saved far more money not buying that Lenovo. For the so called expenses of the Mac, I get one machine that can run both OS's (which I should have done) and then some, plus a free OS I vastly prefer.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Czornyj on March 17, 2015, 03:55:28 am
All the expense of a Mac, none of the economies of a PC.
Don't get me wrong, Macs are fine if to you want to use OSX, but it makes no sense to me to spend that premium and then use another OS.

IMO there's nothing fine about Macs - the mini has only 2 core CPUs, the iMac has a display that will eventually fail, and the MP has a lot of overkill, expensive components I don't need at all.

But rMBP is a whole different story - there's virtually no Windows laptop with such decent display, build quality, ergonomy and performance combination.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on March 17, 2015, 04:39:57 am
It certainly makes no sense at all.

Our Photographic Society, for some reason best known to the President at the time, spent an inordinate amount of money on a Macbook Pro.

Then discovered that it would not run the .exe files that all our AVs are run from after compilation in Pictures-to-Exe or ProShow Gold.

Your society bought a Mac and then discovered it wouldn't run Windows software without having Windows installed? That's about as sensible as buying a Hasselblad and then discovering you can't fit your collection of Canon lenses to it.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: D Fosse on March 17, 2015, 05:35:33 am
there's virtually no Windows laptop with such decent display, build quality, ergonomy and performance combination.

I agree and even as a Windows guy, MBP is what I usually recommend for laptop. It's just a very sensible machine.

I've been trying to find a good Windows laptop for my wife, and almost gave up. They all have some idiotic "features" that I refuse to pay for. In the end I settled for a Sony Vaio as the closest thing, but it has its shortcomings.

Desktop is a different matter. There I still believe a custom built Windows machine is both economy and performance in one go. If it was only possible to find a decent case that didn't look like something out of "Alien"... <sigh>
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: kers on March 17, 2015, 09:20:18 am
....
Desktop is a different matter. There I still believe a custom built Windows machine is both economy and performance in one go. If it was only possible to find a decent case that didn't look like something out of "Alien"... <sigh>
I do not like Apples latest Macpro's were everthing is external... It looks only nice as long you have nothing attached. ( so one minute after buying it)
So i like better the old big ones..
But everytime i look at a windows system i just find the whole look of the system so ugly... its design...just awful... Matter of taste no doubt...
I am sure it works well and at lower cost.  Must say i do not like Apples policy at all when it comes to serving a professional market... You just cannot trust them.
they start something and then on a clear day they stop it...
They are more and more consumer focust.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on March 17, 2015, 09:28:54 am
They all have some idiotic "features" that I refuse to pay for.

like what for example ?
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: digitaldog on March 17, 2015, 02:34:17 pm
So i like better the old big ones..
OWC has a few at amazing prices:
Used Apple Mac Pro Quad 3.33GHz Xeon Workstation for $829 (pictured, $3,367 off)
used Apple Mac Pro 8-Core Xeon 2.93GHz Workstation w/ 16GB RAM for $1,429 ($4,719 off))
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on March 17, 2015, 03:56:02 pm
Wide gamuts may not be important to everyone. For me I prefer to have good colour and tonal accuracy across a small gamut, rather than trying to work with screen that shift tones whenever viewing angle shifts at all.
Crucially, it's excellent value for money.The OP asks for a Windows machine. Running Windows on a Mac seems to be the worst of both worlds with the advantages of neither.

Using a MacBook Pro you can use an external monitor to your choice and you can choose to run OSX or Windows. Windows can run in two ways, either as a guest in a virtual machine like VMware or natively where you run Windows only and not at the same time as OSX. I would say that as soon as you would run OSX you would pretty quickly forget Windows, but that's just my opinion having used both for extended periods of time. Windows runs really well on the MBP.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Bearmann on March 20, 2015, 11:52:36 pm
According to this, the Surface Pro III has a nice (color accurate) screen:

http://www.displaymate.com/Surface_Pro_ShootOut_1.htm
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Rhossydd on March 21, 2015, 05:07:59 am
The Surface Pro III is indeed a great machine, but it's expensive, unrepairable and impossible to upgrade.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Dan Wells on March 26, 2015, 04:25:20 pm
Unfortunately, so's a MacBook Pro (at least the Surface has the semi-disposable keyboard/mouse cover). I really don't like the way Apple's going on that front. I've been looking at the MacBook Pro versus Dell and Lenovo notebook workstations, and the glaring difference is that Apple is allowing no user upgrades or maintenance AT ALL. A friend's MacBook Pro had a keyboard problem, and the quote to fix it was over $700, because the keyboard is permanently affixed to a huge percentage of the machine. Any other notebook has the keyboard attached by a ribbon cable - it's a 5 minute fix, and under $100 (often $20-$50). Even other computers in the same weight range have RAM slots, plus generally two drive bays (one is often mSATA on something that thin and light). The user can configure RAM and drives, and can repair keyboards, trackpads and several other common fail points with a few simple tools.  Apple's response is "you'd better have AppleCare, because a keyboard or trackpad failure means the entire shell, a RAM issue means the motherboard, and any port means both"! The other thing I don't like about Apple's current direction is the take it or leave it nature of their offerings - there's no way to say "I want dual drives, and will accept an extra half pound to get them".
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: nsnowlin on July 13, 2015, 10:32:54 am
I purchased a Malibal 15.5" about 4 years ago.  It was intended for gamers so it is still a fast machine.  I have no problems using Painter 2015's latest math intensive brushes.  It is a Clevo boarded notebook with the best screen at the time.  Everything was replaceable and upgradeable.  However, the new processors came with different pinouts so it wasn't really upgradeable.  It has been completely reliable.  Tonal & color values are good and I can do some editing on it but it will never beat the Eizo 2K monitor when I can plug it in at home.  I'm waiting for better screens on another Clevo (boutique gamer?) system in hopes I can future proof my investment.  Just try to get one with a Displayport out for the 30 bit screen output.

Stu
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: nsnowlin on July 13, 2015, 10:54:17 am
I did notice this 15/5" notebook that does interest me.  It has a 4K (3840 x 2860) glossy display (no matte screens at this resolution):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9042/eurocom-p5-pro-clevo-p750zm-review-true-dtr

The only problem with this is the cost.  About $3,200.  Quality & performance here are really for professional use -- which is how I use my Malibal.  With the GPU (GTX 980) and CPU (i7-4790K quad core) it is pretty well future proof for performance.  It can also be over clocked if you are into that.

Stu
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on July 13, 2015, 11:14:15 am
I did notice this 15/5" notebook that does interest me.  It has a 4K (3840 x 2860) glossy display (no matte screens at this resolution)
not correct, Clevo (Sager) has 15" models with matte IGZOs, for example  = http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9752s-clevo-p750zm-p-7854.html?wconfigure=yes  ("...15.6" 4K QFHD (16:9) Matte-Type Screen (3840x2160) (Sharp Brand / 60Hz) (SKU - S4K003) - [ETA: 07/14/2015] ( + 285 ) ...", available to configure and order - you might need to wait a little bit for shipment
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: alatreille on July 27, 2015, 10:51:56 pm
Maybe have a look at the Lenovo W541 or W550s

I've had my W530 for a number of years.  Upgraded as I go. 
I think nowdays, I'd go for something more like the W550s (over the 541) which is a little lighter with not much performance expense.

The screen has been really good.

A
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Kiwi Paul on July 31, 2015, 03:22:59 pm
I have a Dell XPS 15, very nicely speced laptop with high res screen and very good colour.
A few folk have had issues with them but mine has been absolutely fine and is a lovely machine to use, very well made and excellent performance.
I was reluctant to spend so much but now I have it there are no regrets.

Paul
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: alatreille on August 13, 2015, 12:00:42 pm
Lenovo just announced two new workstation laptops.

Specs look good.  I imagine the screens will be stellar.

http://www.notebookreview.com/feature/lenovo-thinkpad-p50-and-p70-first-look-preview/
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: NancyP on August 13, 2015, 12:16:15 pm
I agree with Dan Wells. The most recent unibody MacBook Pros don't allow user upgrades, and I think that's a mistake. If nothing else, they should give the user an option to swap out the CD/DVD drive for a second flash drive. That would allow a segmentation between the large catalog drive and a small boot/scratch drive.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: HSakols on August 13, 2015, 12:52:31 pm
This is my first post after being in the wilderness for 55 nights - no phone - no internet - just photography

My 2007 white macbook is getting a bit crusty and I'm sure would choke using Lightroom 6.  I am considering a Retina Mac Book Pro.  However, my desktop machine is a 2012 mac mini with maxed out RAM and SSD.  Would a new rMBP run as well or better than my mac mini? I would use the rMBP with a calibrated NEC monitor. I figure I could sell the Mini and have just one computer.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Czornyj on August 13, 2015, 05:09:02 pm
rMBP15'15 is fast as hell, faster than any mini Mac - not to mention it works flawlessly with 2 external UHD monitors or 3 2,5k monitors.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/3196796

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19059944/Zrzut%20ekranu%202015-06-19%2018.04.58.png)
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: alatreille on August 14, 2015, 05:31:08 pm
I was interested to see how my 3 year old Lenovo Workstation compared to this current mac.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/3201114?baseline=3201114
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Chris Livsey on August 16, 2015, 04:56:30 am
"Lenovo also offers the ThinkPad P Series with X-Rite Pantone color calibration to keep colors accurate throughout the life of the product."
http://www.notebookreview.com/feature/lenovo-thinkpad-p50-and-p70-first-look-preview/
Any comments from the gurus?

Looking to replace an ageing (2007!!) MacBookPro 15, as others seem to be, maybe the Apple tax is no longer worth it?
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on August 16, 2015, 08:07:10 am
Looking to replace an ageing (2007!!) MacBookPro 15, as others seem to be, maybe the Apple tax is no longer worth it?

it never was, if you don't need an IT HelpDesk to help you with anything - but are you going to leave OSX for Windows or you are going to try Hackintosh...
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on August 16, 2015, 08:35:25 am
"Lenovo also offers the ThinkPad P Series with X-Rite Pantone color calibration to keep colors accurate throughout the life of the product."
http://www.notebookreview.com/feature/lenovo-thinkpad-p50-and-p70-first-look-preview/
Any comments from the gurus?

Looking to replace an ageing (2007!!) MacBookPro 15, as others seem to be, maybe the Apple tax is no longer worth it?

The P50 looks like a possible replacement although 1 pond heavier and not the nice thin design of the 15" MacBook Pro 15". If you look for a replacement of the old 2007 MBP why not get the shining new MBP 2015? It is blazingly fast, light, elegant and works really well. I have not seen the P50 other than on pictures, but I must admit as an old Windows laptop user that I never liked the clumsy design of these machines. It's a joy to take the MBP with it's elegance and performance. It is expensive but as similar as possible Windows laptops cost a similar amount of money. So I don't see your point on the Apple tax. If you for some reason want to sell the machine e.g. 3-4 years after there is no Windows laptop that comes even close and in second hand value. Yes, I'm biased as I switched from Windows to MacBook Pros in 2009 and never looked back.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: powerslave12r on August 16, 2015, 10:38:29 am
I agree with Dan Wells. The most recent unibody MacBook Pros don't allow user upgrades, and I think that's a mistake. If nothing else, they should give the user an option to swap out the CD/DVD drive for a second flash drive. That would allow a segmentation between the large catalog drive and a small boot/scratch drive.

The latest Macbook pros have been without an optical drive for a while now.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on August 16, 2015, 10:58:12 am
I agree with Dan Wells. The most recent unibody MacBook Pros don't allow user upgrades, and I think that's a mistake. If nothing else, they should give the user an option to swap out the CD/DVD drive for a second flash drive. That would allow a segmentation between the large catalog drive and a small boot/scratch drive.

The MacBook Pro with DVD drive was discontinued in 2013. Since then only the slim SSD based retina MBP was available. There is no upgrade, but with 16GB RAM there is no reason to upgrade. It is important to choose the SSD of the right size. I see many who buy too little. For older retina MBP's the SSD can be upgraded. But since e.g. the last 2013 model cannot to my knowledge. The very slim design has a cost in no upgrading except for SSD's after a while from 3rd parties like here http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/OWC

For those who have the older MacBook Pro with the DVD drive this can be replaced with a HD slot and this can be used with a 2.5" SSD drive like the main drive.

For MacBooks with only one slot there is the option of buying a 1TB SSD which I did. If more space is needed one can buy an external SSD drive connected via USB 3 or thunderbolt or an ordinary 2.5" HD. I bought the 1TB SSD as I don't like to have external drives hanging off my machine. But an external SSD drive is robust for moving around so that's an option. Up to 2TB 2.5" SSD drives are now available. LaCie has one 1TB drive rugged version https://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?id=10629

So in essence I'm not missing the old DVD drive model which was heavier and did not have the retina display.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Chris Livsey on August 16, 2015, 12:08:09 pm
It is expensive but as similar as possible Windows laptops cost a similar amount of money. So I don't see your point on the Apple tax.

There may be country price variations at play here. I am UK and same spec/similar, Windows laptops are 20% minimum cheaper than the Apple equivalent. That's a lot of cash:

15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
2.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz
16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
1TB PCIe-based Flash Storage

£2,399.00
$3,750

What's your local price?


I am of course now in the spiral of waiting for the next update as the maybe chip generation skipping iMac is due "real soon now".
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on August 16, 2015, 12:13:02 pm
There may be country price variations at play here. I am UK and same spec/similar, Windows laptops are 20% minimum cheaper than the Apple equivalent. That's a lot of cash:

15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
2.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz
16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
1TB PCIe-based Flash Storage

£2,399.00
$3,750

What's your local price?


I am of course now in the spiral of waiting for the next update as the maybe chip generation skipping iMac is due "real soon now".


Which Windows laptops do you compare with?
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: digitaldog on August 16, 2015, 12:13:42 pm
The MacBook Pro with DVD drive was discontinued in 2013. Since then only the slim SSD based retina MBP was available. There is no upgrade, but with 16GB RAM there is no reason to upgrade. It is important to choose the SSD of the right size.
Totally agree. The last MBP I purchased (Retina, early 2013) was purchased maxed out, is plenty fast and I can count on one hand, the number of times I needed access to a DVD. And when I did, the $40 USB DVD external unit I purchased worked just fine.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Chris Livsey on August 16, 2015, 12:18:16 pm
Which Windows laptops do you compare with?

ThinkPad W550s
Intel Core i7-5600U Processor (4MB Cache, up to 3.20GHz)
16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L
NVIDIA Quadro K620M 2GB
512 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA3
£1,852.79

As a quick example.
BTW Apple since a IIe  ;)  (DUAL floppy drives !!)


Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Czornyj on August 16, 2015, 01:43:04 pm
ThinkPad W550s
Intel Core i7-5600U Processor (4MB Cache, up to 3.20GHz)
16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L
NVIDIA Quadro K620M 2GB
512 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA3
£1,852.79

It's far cry from rMBP15 equivalent.

Recently I switched to rMBP15 '15 from my old rMBP13 '12, and I sold my former Macbook in a blink of an eye for a good money (>50% of original price). Now try that trick with 2-3 years old PC laptop ;)
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Chris Livsey on August 16, 2015, 03:39:25 pm
It's far cry from rMBP15 equivalent.

How far and whose crying?

That kind of comment, no doubt dashed off from a wealth of experience, brief and succinct, does make for a snappy forum post but is no help whatsoever to me as a computer tech illiterate.
I see the Apple range as expensive, and own one, now at least two members tell me I'm wrong , that's fine, it's happened before ;) to look anywhere else. I don't want or need a sales pitch, an Apple v the rest argument, just why, financially ( and I know about the Apple resale kudos, like Leica even the digital suff sells with their name on) I need to stick with them. A lot of posts in the thread find fault with their direction, to my reading others are similiar in parts, which they all have access to, but apparently they are not.
Would you care to expand on "a far cry" ?
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on August 17, 2015, 07:00:09 am
ThinkPad W550s
Intel Core i7-5600U Processor (4MB Cache, up to 3.20GHz)
16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L
NVIDIA Quadro K620M 2GB
512 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA3
£1,852.79

As a quick example.
BTW Apple since a IIe  ;)  (DUAL floppy drives !!)




I looked the Thinkpad up on a Danish online shop and what I see is a price of 19499 Danish Kroner and the specs of the machine is
i7 -5600U dual core 2.4Ghz. 512GB SSD (interface not specified). NVIDIA Quadro K620M / Intel HD Graphics 5500
Weight 2,3kg, dimensions 38x25,8x2,2cm

The similar MacBook Pro for Denmark is: 21499 DKK and specs:
i7 2,5Ghz quad core, 512GB SSD PCIe (almost 2GB/s benchmarked). Intel Iris Pro Graphics/AMD Radeon R9 M370X 2GB
Weight: 2kg, dimensions 35,8x24,7x1,8cm.

So the main difference is a dual core machine compared to a quad core and a slimmer and lighter design of the MacBook Pro, not to mentioned design simplicity and elegance. But that's a personal taste, of course.

If you ever consider buying the Thinkpad, then try the trackpad first and compare to the MacBook pro trackpad. On my workshops I have people who need help on their Windows laptops and it always surprises me how bad the trackpads on the Windows laptops are. On the MacBook the trackpad just works really well. I never even bring a mouse with me for the MacBook when I travel. In my office behind a big screen, keyboard I use the Apple Magic Mouse. I would also recommend to try out how well the Windows laptop handles multiple displays. The MacBook can out of the box handle up to two external 4K displays in addition to the built-in display.

I'm sure one can get used to Windows laptops again but in my opinion they should be a lot cheaper and be built as well as the MacBook for me to ever consider one :) But this is just me.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on August 17, 2015, 09:01:37 am
So I don't see your point on the Apple tax.
just see the prices of Clevo machines with their configurations @ http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-clevo-sager-notebooks-ct-95_51_162.html

that is if you don't need a slim, shiny & beautiful body to m$$$$$$te on it.... there are simply things that you can't get in MacPro notebook or MacMini
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on August 17, 2015, 10:15:39 am
just see the prices of Clevo machines with their configurations @ http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-clevo-sager-notebooks-ct-95_51_162.html

that is if you don't need a slim, shiny & beautiful body to m$$$$$$te on it.... there are simply things that you can't get in MacPro notebook or MacMini


I didn't easily spot a MacBook Pro 15" like the $2499 version http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs-retina/

When I clicked customize a long list of unwieldy options appeared that seemed to be a mix of desktop and laptop. But I do agree that there are things you can't get in a MacBook Pro like e.g. a 17" screen. In the Windows world there are many more options and if you like Windows that's fine.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Some Guy on August 17, 2015, 10:31:28 am
I have an old Clevo D900 marketed in the USA by Sager (and Falcon, AlienWare.).  Might be 7-8 years old and still blows most anything out of the water today. It's 3.2 Ghz i7 clockable Quad, 12GB RAM, three HD's, (One is a RAID 1), Blu-Ray/DVD burner, etc.  I got it for video editing back then as most box store units would overheat and shut down after three days of non-stop editing.  It cost about $3,500 back then, and I see they get up to about $7,000 now in their 17" screen customizations which make them user upgradable much like an old desktop in a case.

I did have to replace the LCD screen myself once and it cost me about $135 for the 15" screen.  The x-rite calibrator told me the brightness couldn't be raised so the light was dimming.  Not too big of a job, but I grew a lot of respect for all the copper cooling plumbing, fans, etc. inside the thing.  Really was engineered well compared to the lower-tier mortar store units.

I figure it is maybe two generations ahead of most out there (Then, and still is.) so it doesn't have to be replaced as often as it is still pretty much up to snuff with the new gear out there so the initial high cost was offset over the longer term of service.

SG
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on August 17, 2015, 05:05:12 pm
When I clicked customize a long list of unwieldy options appeared that seemed to be a mix of desktop and laptop.
yes, those are big machines - desktop replacements... that is exactly the point

But I do agree that there are things you can't get in a MacBook Pro like e.g. a 17" screen.

or 32gb RAM or dual GPU or desktop-grade CPU оr 4 SSD inside or everything like this in one notebook... and some of them still can ran OSX on that PC hardware if you invest some time in forums devoted to hackintosh (yes, Apple EULA does not allow, so what)
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: AlterEgo on August 17, 2015, 05:07:37 pm
I have an old Clevo D900 marketed in the USA by Sager (and Falcon, AlienWare.).

there are couple of US dealers that buy barebones from Clevo directly (and notebooks will be identified as Clevo), but most USA dealers buy Clevo through Sager and notebooks marked as Sager (different model naming scheme)... prices are the same though, same hardware inside

Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Hans Kruse on August 18, 2015, 05:33:59 am
yes, those are big machines - desktop replacements... that is exactly the point

or 32gb RAM or dual GPU or desktop-grade CPU оr 4 SSD inside or everything like this in one notebook... and some of them still can ran OSX on that PC hardware if you invest some time in forums devoted to hackintosh (yes, Apple EULA does not allow, so what)

I agree and did not want to extensively mention the differences :) But a laptop in this class does not make sense for me. If I wanted stationary gaming level machine I would buy a machine standing beside my desk. I had that for some years and had a laptop besides this. In 2009 I switched to MacBook Pro as it would fulfil all my needs for a machine in my office with a keyboard, mouse and big monitor as well as a laptop on the road. The current top of the line MacBook Pro 15" is great for that. But for others the needs may well be different as I travel a lot. The slim 2 kg MBP is ideal for that for me.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Czornyj on August 18, 2015, 07:09:56 am
Would you care to expand on "a far cry" ?

rMBP15 '15 has 16:10 ratio IPS display, that's larger and has additional 200px in height than 16:9 ratio W550s. The glossy display features anti-reflex and OCF (Optical Compensation Film) - it's sharp, readable in bright conditions, and the black doesn't leak in darkness - W550s has no OCF and matte finish, so it's more prone to flare, clouding/sparkling and black leaking. The TRC is perfectly linearised to γ2.2, and backlight type is blue LED with green and red phosphors, that's white point is natively close to D65 and primaries are pretty close to sRGB (~100% coverage), while W550 has blue LED with yellow phosphor, natively less neutral wtpt and only ~76% sRGB coverage.

Furthermore, the Macbook has faster CPU (9273 vs 4366 in cpubenchmark.net) GPU (1668 vs 771), it can drive up to 3 external displays (2 UHD displays), and has the fastest PCIe x4 SSD I've ever saw. All that in light, slim, elegant, robust and very scratch and dirt resistant enclosure, with fabulous multi gesture touchpad and magsafe charger.

Of course there are faster mobile workstations with more expanding possibilities, but none (I believe) offers such combination of very decent display, performance, small weight, slim housing, robustness, and elegance.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Chris Livsey on August 18, 2015, 12:01:17 pm
rMBP15 '15 has 16:10 ratio IPS display,

Massive snip.

Thank you that is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Suggestions for laptop with good color
Post by: Kiwi Paul on September 01, 2015, 10:11:46 am
The Dell XPS15 is a very good well spec'ed laptop. It has a high resolution screen and excellent colour for photographic work. I bought mine a year ago and have not regretted it one bit. I'm not sure of the latest spec but mine has an I7 processor, 16G RAM, 500GB SSD, 3 x USB 3 ports, etc, I use LR CC and Photoshop CC and it handles both those applications without any issues.

Paul