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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: Chiotas on February 04, 2015, 05:09:48 am
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Hello guys!
As I'm really upset with the no technology improvement in the Canon line for landscape photographers (and the straw that breaks the camel will probably be the new 5Ds designed for landscapes but with a 7 years ago dynamic range capability) I'm seriously considering to switch to Sony.
Why to Sony and not to Nikon (D810?)
The answer is that I mostly use two Zeiss prime lenses (18mm and 21mm) with ZE mount (Canon), and I could not invest money on switching those lenses from Canon to Nikon mount.
So I focused on Sony A7II that seems to be a great camera for landscapes.
Here I have a few questions, and I really hope that someone can help me:
- Is the Sony A7II really a good choice for landscape photography?
- Does anyone have direct experience on the third part adapter for Canon-toSony mount? (es: Metabones)
- From a purely technical and theoretical point of view, can the mount adapter affect on the lens quality (even the 0,00001%?)
This was my start point:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7-II-versus-Nikon-D810-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III___996_963_795
Thank you so much!
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I'll answer the last question. Yes, any adapter will affect the lens quality slightly: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
Right now I would wait and see what high resolution models might come out of Canon and Sony shortly.
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I'll answer the last question. Yes, any adapter will affect the lens quality slightly: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
Right now I would wait and see what high resolution models might come out of Canon and Sony shortly.
Thank you so much Torbjörn,
unfortunately this is the answer I was afraid of.
At this point my only chance is the new high res camera from Canon, because I suppose that any new Sony camera will require an adapter :(
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Before I made such a switch I sure would wait till the 6th of Feb. find out just how the new sensor will perform. I personally can't believe that Canon would bring out a 50mp sensor with 7 year old dynamic range.
This should be a great time for a Canon shooter.
Paul
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In a similar situation, I was thinking end of last year to switch to a Sony A7r, but not very convinced of the performance of the Metabones adapter with the TS-E 24mm Mark II (it looks like it is a 50% chance that you get a good or bad metabones adapter for what you can read in different forums... and the shops in Barcelona usually they don't stock the adapter to try several there before buying one...).
Right now, I will just wait, see what Canon announces next Friday, it is clear that the Canon 5Ds/5Ds R are thought as studio and landscape cameras, for landscape, DR is like an strong requirement... anyway, I will wait until I see the first reports from different users of the camera or DxO before I put my money on it (also, there is the possibility they use Sony technology on that sensor... although this is a rumor that I don't believe too much...). If the rumors are true, the camera will hit the market around March or April, I suppose we will get the reports/reviews around that time...
Also, if you are thinking to switch to Sony, there is also the rumor Sony will launch the A7r II or A9 (or whatever name they choose), possible that camera will also be a 50 MPx camera... or close enough, and being an exmor sensor, DR will be great...
@Torbjörn thanks for that link... I was not aware of that report...
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Paul,
David,
thank you so much for your reply.
Yes, totally agree with you guys, I believe that the first thing to do is to sit and wait for a DxO review of the new Canon lens (even if my expectation is really low as I don't believe in the Canon-Sony sensor rumor).
Anyway It is better if I start to follow sony rumors too as I wasn't aware of the A7R II :P
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Either way it happens, (Sony or Canon sensor) I feel you will be pleasantly surprised. Canon has had this camera in plenty of folks hands (see other posts on this site where members are 100% sure of things). So I have to sense they got it right.
Paul
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Paul, I hope you are right, it will be probably my option to buy if they got it right this time (then there is the problem of the price, I fear to high for me... but that it is another story)
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Hello guys!
As I'm really upset with the no technology improvement in the Canon line for landscape photographers (and the straw that breaks the camel will probably be the new 5Ds designed for landscapes but with a 7 years ago dynamic range capability) I'm seriously considering to switch to Sony.
Why to Sony and not to Nikon (D810?)
The answer is that I mostly use two Zeiss prime lenses (18mm and 21mm) with ZE mount (Canon), and I could not invest money on switching those lenses from Canon to Nikon mount.
So I focused on Sony A7II that seems to be a great camera for landscapes.
Here I have a few questions, and I really hope that someone can help me:
- Is the Sony A7II really a good choice for landscape photography?
- Does anyone have direct experience on the third part adapter for Canon-toSony mount? (es: Metabones)
- From a purely technical and theoretical point of view, can the mount adapter affect on the lens quality (even the 0,00001%?)
This was my start point:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7-II-versus-Nikon-D810-versus-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III___996_963_795
Thank you so much!
If they release the 5Ds and it's based on 7DmkII sensor technology, then you know it's probably time to look elsewhere.
Not sure how long you have been shooting Canon, but to me, switching brands is a big deal. I switched from Canon to Nikon back in the film era. Not something I would do lightly. I hate the small differences between my D810 and D7100. I have no idea how people on this board shoot multiple brands on a routine basis. As the only Nikon shooter, and most knowledgeable in my local group, when my Canon friends ask me how to set up their cameras for certain shooting situations and such, I'm like a monkey with an erector set!
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G.A.S.ping for pixels and dynamic range we are? A disturbance in the Force we feel, 50 million sensels just two Earth rotations from now.
I do hope that the DR is improved and that the images look good. Lenses that stand up to 50 MP? Well, I have three that may qualify, the Zeiss 21, Sigma Art 35, Canon 180 macro (I suspect most macro lenses would qualify). The legacy lenses (AIS Nikkors 50 1.2 and 105 2.5) look pretty good stopped down to f/4 on a 20 MP sensor (6D), I have no clue if they would still look good on a more demanding sensor (probably not). The trouble about getting a better sensor is that it would increase my yen for the Zeiss Apo Sonnar 135 f/2 and other supersharp and super-heavy lenses that would have to be dragged up long trails. The field primes kit is already pretty heavy.
No question about it, the cameras are better than I am. Too many temptations to ogle equipment rather than upgrade the brain. Must.....resist.....G.A.S. ...... and do the cheap upgrade of indulging in a few good photo books, not necessarily in nature photography genre.
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@Paul,
I really hope you're right too! I'll check the other threads on the upcoming 5D
@dwswager,
my fear is the one you pinted out: same technology of 7DmkII
Only time can give us an answer, and I really hope that answer is not having to sell Zeiss ZE mount lenses :(
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I have no idea how people on this board shoot multiple brands on a routine basis.
This may have something to do with living & working in a tech-centric environment. When working I always had to handle multiple projects, multiple programming languages and multiple OSes. You learn to compartmentalize, which makes it a lot easier to switch amongst them. (Note: this is different than "multitasking," which in my experience no-one is much good at.) When I grab a camera I have to hold & look at it for a moment, then my memory & knowledge of it kicks in and I'm all set. Same with guitars, which can vary quite a bit in their physical parameters and (with electrics) control knob/switch layout & options. :)
-Dave-
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This may have something to do with living & working in a tech-centric environment. When working I always had to handle multiple projects, multiple programming languages and multiple OSes. You learn to compartmentalize, which makes it a lot easier to switch amongst them. (Note: this is different than "multitasking," which in my experience no-one is much good at.) When I grab a camera I have to hold & look at it for a moment, then my memory & knowledge of it kicks in and I'm all set. Same with guitars, which can vary quite a bit in their physical parameters and (with electrics) control knob/switch layout & options. :)
-Dave-
I work in all the best tech in the military from Electromagnetic Gun to Missile Systems to Directed Energy. That I can handle. My problem is that I don't get to go out image making often enough and when I get out there, in the field, in the dark, I want to KNOW my equipment so I don't have some idiot moment. One of my favorite images ended up JPEG instead of RAW because I forgot I was using my camera for shooting some idiot stuff. My favorite advanced feature would being able to save the complete state of the camera to a menu item. Canon has something in the C1-3 settings. Nikon has U1/U2 on the Enthusiast bodies, but neither is what it should be.
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My favorite advanced feature would being able to save the complete state of the camera to a menu item.
Along with saving it to CF/SD card so it can be loaded on any other same-model camera. Or same-brand camera, which might encourage the makers to better standardize their menus & options across their lineups. (Non-applicable options & settings would be unavailable on a per-model basis.) Maybe even have the cameras talk directly with each other, sharing config states that could then be loaded via menu selection.
-Dave-
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I think to get good quality on the sony a7r and lens adapters first one has to change the mount of the camera. its done with a plastic ring inside and a metal ring on the outside, not in one piece. There is a metal mount from fotodiox, which i built in the camera, exchanging the original mount.You have just to unscrew the three little screws, its an easy operation of 5minutes.
Why sony made such a crap for this sensitive part of the cam, no idea. Maybe ingeneering wisdom,- or a planned weekness to let the camera break down after some 50.000 shots, cause the plastic ring looked very used after i exchanged it. I dont believe that it would have had a much longer live ....
With the new mount the adapters i use are sitting without any movement on the sony body.
I use metabones and novoflex adapters for leica m ( wate ) , canon tse and a lot of zeiss lenses. I dont see any difference in corner sharpness compared to my older d800e or canon 5d2. For me the advantage to mount all my lenses on the sony is fantastic and i am very happy with this camera concept.
Recently the newer sonys have a better mount built in, so i will wait for the a7r2 or the a9.
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...My favorite advanced feature would being able to save the complete state of the camera to a menu item. Canon has something in the C1-3 settings. Nikon has U1/U2 on the Enthusiast bodies, but neither is what it should be.
Even my car is able to do this. One would think that cameras built for professionals would do this (better).
Ah, well. Soon enough the Canons/Nikons/Sonys will proudly boast "Cloud", and all of your settings will be instantly uploaded to the Cloud, shared on social media, and your camera will be unable to do anything at all unless there is an internet connection :-)
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/why-the-hell-does-this-mouse-need-to-connect-to-the-internet/
-h
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Im not a sony user but I'm trying to get one. I'm looking for the Sony a7ii
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is the Sony a7ii worth the extra cash? http://thedigitalcamera.net/sony-a7-vs-a7ii-whats-the-difference/
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Just wondering, why the A7ii instead of the A7r?
You said you'd be shooting landscapes. The A7r gives you better resolution and DR, while the A7ii's AF advantage doesn't apply when you're fine-tuning focus when zoomed in anyway.
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Well, as the 5DS (R) was unveiled, I believe that many of us will consider to switch to Nikon or Sony.
Actually I really hope that the Sony a7rII will be the promised land for landscape photographers, even if I'm not so convinced about the quality of lens adapters like Metabones.
On the one hand I'm happy as I found that the Metabones is just a spacer, but on the other hand I read many poor reviews, especially related to:
- light leakages with long exposures
- coupling quality
Does anybody have any experience? I was considering this model: http://www.metabones.com/products/details/MB-EF-E-BM4
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I have 3 different Novoflex adapters for my A7r - all seem to be well made and trouble-free. Recommended.
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Well, as the 5DS (R) was unveiled, I believe that many of us will consider to switch to Nikon or Sony.
Actually I really hope that the Sony a7rII will be the promised land for landscape photographers, even if I'm not so convinced about the quality of lens adapters like Metabones.
On the one hand I'm happy as I found that the Metabones is just a spacer, but on the other hand I read many poor reviews, especially related to:
- light leakages with long exposures
- coupling quality
Does anybody have any experience? I was considering this model: http://www.metabones.com/products/details/MB-EF-E-BM4
My Metabones IV is not as tight as the Metabones III was (which was much too tight). The IV now behaves much more like the bayonet of a canon camera when you mount a lens. I did not have time to check if that has an effect on sharpness in corners - but I don't think so, at least I didn't notice anything yet. The improvements Metabones claims concerning internal reflections are not sufficient. You have to flock it inside too, at least if you use TS-Es (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=97089.0).
Regards - Marc
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@Ian
Thank you so much for the advice! Honestly I didn't read yet anything about Novaflex adapters, but I'll start immediately!
@Marc
Wow, that's a great feedback!
Yep, I forgot to mention in my list the issue of quality/sharpness loss on corners (and this should be the first point on my list as I LOVE my Zeiss lens), but I really hope it is more a myth rather than a fact. Anyway, if sooner or later you'll have the chance to make such test, please let me know about the results! Thank you!
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When I was shooting an NEX-7 I used Novoflex adapters for my Leica and Nikon lenses. Top quality and zero problems.
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When I was shooting an NEX-7 I used Novoflex adapters for my Leica and Nikon lenses. Top quality and zero problems.
I have a Novoflex adapter to adapt my Contax PC-Distagon for use on the A7R too. It is well made and works well. But like the Leica lenses the PC-Distagon has an aperture ring that works manual. That's not the case with all Canon lenses. As far as I know the Novoflex Canon EF to E-Mount adapter is not able to control autofocus and - more important for some - the electronic aperture of Canon lenses like the TS-Es.
Marc
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Nice to know!
Zeiss Distagon lenses should be fully manual, so if the overall quality is great Novaflex adapter could be a good choice too
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Nice to know!
Zeiss Distagon lenses should be fully manual, so if the overall quality is great Novaflex adapter could be a good choice too
Using the Novoflex adapter, I think you would still be unable to use manual lenses stopped down and would have to operate at full aperture. This is too bad, because the Novoflex is likely to be built according to better mechanical tolerances than the Metabones.
Having used a Sony A7 with a Metabones Mk3 adapter, I have mixed feelings about the combo. The internal adapter reflections coupled with the internal sensor reflections (on night shots) can spoil situations where the extended dynamic range of Sony sensors could otherwise be greatly appreciated. The sensor reflections appear to have been fixed on the A7ii.
Another aspect to mention when operating the camera with large lenses such as Zeiss Distagon lenses is that the whole camera + adapter + lens combo will be unbalanced. There will be too much weight on the front, which makes for a not so pleasant experience when shooting hand-held.
That being said, until Canon comes with a DSLR featuring an optional EVF, using a A7 body might still be the better solution for precise focusing with manual lenses.
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I have three Novoflex adapters for Minolta "MD," Olympus Zuiko and Canon FD.
All of these are just dumb metal adapters and as the aperture ring is on the lenses you set the aperture and view through the EVF at that aperture. You can focus with the aperture wide open and manually stop down before you shoot if that's what you like to do.
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The current series of Zeiss Distagon ZE lenses has electronic aperture control but no physical aperture ring - 21mm f/2.8 being an example. The Nikon versions of these lenses have physical aperture rings. The quality of adapter electronic pass-through of lens-body communication is thus highly important for existing Canon users. You can make do fine with manual focus. Not being able to control the aperture in any way is a deal-breaker for me and others. You might be able to use Zeisses made for rangefinder cameras.