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Title: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: rolei on January 12, 2015, 10:49:54 am
Hello



I would like to ask if you can advice me/ give me any recommendations on how to back up photos in the field (from CF cards into hard drive) without bringing my laptop?

what are basically my options?

 ???

Thank you very much
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 12, 2015, 11:29:36 am
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/887218-REG/Sanho_shdcsudma2500_500GB_HyperDrive_COLORSPACE_UDMA2.html/?m=Y&gclid=CjwKEAiA_s2lBRCe1YPXxtSe-DcSJACCIh3Lf_UihLgsSzvrul8HtiOromNzJmXeZsOdg9qa7qEwdRoC3bbw_wcB

I've got a real old one, 500 gigs, but it works fine. There might be something newer, better out there.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: spidermike on January 12, 2015, 12:00:00 pm
The first question is how many pictures?
You can use a tablet to transfer to hard disc: http://petapixel.com/2013/03/26/how-to-back-up-your-pictures-using-an-android-tablet-and-external-hard-drives/
I don't think you can do this very easily with iPads because they do not allow you to add external memory

Or you could use something like a tablet and load your pictures into Dropbox (no idea ofthe transfer speed) if you have internet connection


I used to have one of the Epson Media Viewers with a small screen (similar to the Colorspace) but I think they are discontinued now. But there are similar devices like these (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Stand-Alone-Data-Storage/ci/3369/N/4000227848) that do the same thing. have a small inbuilt screen so you can view your images (several years ago I used to have the Epson equivalent and it was quite neat). But they can be expensive side compared to things like small laptops or tablets.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: DeanChriss on January 12, 2015, 12:18:29 pm
Just to clarify, making a "backup" (i.e.; second copy) is different than transferring data from the cards to a hard drive to allow formatting and reusing the cards.

Back when CF cards were small and expensive I used something similar to the device Andrew described. I can't think of anything smaller or lighter. But, if you only want to transfer the data so you can reuse the cards, you might consider just getting more cards. Whether that's practical depends on how much data you expect to have in total. If you're talking about a couple days of shooting that may work well. If you're talking about a month of shooting then it's probably not the answer.

For me, having enough card capacity combined with a small laptop and cheap 12VDC to 120VAC inverter in the car to charge laptop and camera batteries is enough to handle nearly any situation. When I copy images to the laptop they also end up on a small portable hard drive (the backup). YMMV
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 12, 2015, 01:01:00 pm
Hello

I would like to ask if you can advice me/ give me any recommendations on how to back up photos in the field (from CF cards into hard drive) without bringing my laptop?

what are basically my options?

Thank you very much

Do you mean Backup (have 2 copies) as opposed to MOVE or Transfer them so you can reuse the memory cards?  Unless you need to do some sort of processing with them in the field, leave them on the card.  If your camera as dual slots, the camera will handle the backups automatically writing the images to both cards.

I would suggest buying more memory cards instead of futzing with trying to back them up to a hard drive in the field that is inherently more likely to fail than the memory cards.  I don't have a lot of history with SD cards, but flash memory is much better in any form than rotating hard drive platters, especially in the field!  I've washed and dried a CF card before with no ill effect.  I pretty much stick with Sandisk and Lexar for my photography cards because of reliability and speed.

If your camera does not have two slots, I'm not sure, unless you are hard over, I would even duplicate them.  Flash memory is very reliable.  In all the time I've been dealing with flash cards, I've had one issue and it wasn't the memory itself, but the controller on a CF card that was flaking out.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: brianrybolt on January 12, 2015, 01:16:00 pm
You can also check out Wireless HD with SD card port.  After you download them to the HD you can then transfer the images (not the whole files) to an iPad so you can see them, etc.
Western Digital and others make them.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Colorado David on January 12, 2015, 02:07:49 pm
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I would suggest buying more memory cards . . .

This is an excellent idea.  I was photographing moose in Denali one fall and there was a photographer running around to everyone in this clump of photographers asking if anyone had a card they would sell.  You can't have too many cards in the field as long as you are able to manage them.  A friend of mine who shot film all of his professional life and is now retired asked me why you'd ever use a card twice.  His point was that if you factored in film and processing costs against the cost of cards, you should just store the original files of all your images on the card they were shot on and just buy more cards.  I can see his point.  It would become a storage management problem though.  But not unlike the film days.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Alan Smallbone on January 13, 2015, 10:39:10 am
The UDMA Colorspace is an excellent way to go, downloads fast and can handle CF and SD cards. I got one without a drive and I stuck in a 1TB drive and it works great. I tried the WD wireless HD drive with the card reader and it is very slow to transfer from SD cards. I used both side by side on a trip and the UDMA Colorspace was by far the easiest one to use and it can recover images from a corrupted card as well.

I wrote a review of my experiences with them if you want further information:
http://www.aps-photo.com/2014/11/portable-image-backups/

Alan
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: brianrybolt on January 13, 2015, 10:57:55 am
The UDMA Colorspace is an excellent way to go, downloads fast and can handle CF and SD cards. I got one without a drive and I stuck in a 1TB drive and it works great. I tried the WD wireless HD drive with the card reader and it is very slow to transfer from SD cards. I used both side by side on a trip and the UDMA Colorspace was by far the easiest one to use and it can recover images from a corrupted card as well.

I wrote a review of my experiences with them if you want further information:
http://www.aps-photo.com/2014/11/portable-image-backups/

Alan
Thanks for the feedback on the WD wireless HD.  I was just about to buy one and may now go back to the UDMA Colorspace.  When I spoke to them (UDMA) the representative (UK) wasn't sure if it would ingest X-Trans files.  Do you know anything about this?
Cheers,
Brian
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Alan Smallbone on January 13, 2015, 11:42:47 am
Thanks for the feedback on the WD wireless HD.  I was just about to buy one and may now go back to the UDMA Colorspace.  When I spoke to them (UDMA) the representative (UK) wasn't sure if it would ingest X-Trans files.  Do you know anything about this?
Cheers,
Brian

Brian,
I can download them just fine and I can view the thumbnails and the histogram, etc. Viewing the thumbnails is really not that great because of the display but it works just fine. No problems with the Fuji files. On the trip I went on comparing the drives, my wife and I shot Fuji cameras and I also shot some Sigma cameras and all downloaded great.

If you want to download files from a GoPro you will need to download the latest beta firmware from their forum, then it will read the Exfat format cards as well.

I carry my Colorspace drive on most trips, and even on day trips when I am shooting timelapses. Nice product.

Alan
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: brianrybolt on January 13, 2015, 11:45:01 am
Many thanks Alan.

Brian
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Some Guy on January 13, 2015, 12:42:52 pm
I vote for more cards and leave all backup gear at home.  I've done field backup and it is a pain dealing with the backup unit's battery that might die - and did - during a backup.  Then you have the question of "What got transferred, and what didn't?" But you don't know because it's dead so you need to file that card away and use another as it is.  Plus you wonder if the files got corrupted during the transfer.

Just get more cards and an empty Pelican card case with a label saying "USED CARDS" and continue on.  No need to format since that should have been done prior to all the cards, and not left to being done in the field either.  Less gear is always easier to carry too.  Been that "Kitchen Sink" route before.

SG
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: brianrybolt on January 13, 2015, 12:49:00 pm
It's ALWAYS good to have a backup strategy.  What if this Pelican case got lost?  Camera bag stolen at a train station?  Happened to me.

It' no big deal to transfer images onto a Colorspace or other such devise.  Do it during lunch. . . or whatever.  No Big Deal. 

BACK IT UP!!

Brian
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 13, 2015, 12:49:22 pm
IMHO, more cards are not a useful solution unless one has a way to backup the other cards to the newer ones. The idea the OP has (backing up) is a good one! Having just one copy of an image file on location is scary for some of us, much like taking one camera body on location. More card with something like the UDMA then leaving the existing files on those cards represents a backup. I believe that is what the OP is asking for.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 13, 2015, 02:32:24 pm
IMHO, more cards are not a useful solution unless one has a way to backup the other cards to the newer ones. The idea the OP has (backing up) is a good one! Having just one copy of an image file on location is scary for some of us, much like taking one camera body on location. More card with something like the UDMA then leaving the existing files on those cards represents a backup. I believe that is what the OP is asking for.

I don't believe those of us suggesting more cards are suggesting leaving the images on the card forever.  I certainly do not. 

My cameras have dual slots so having 2 copies an automatic function if you set up the camera that way.  And depending on the realities in the field, if common mode or common cause failures are not accounted for, having multiple copies is a mute point.  Flash is inherently more reliable than spinning disks and much more likely to survive impact or water trauma.  Given my experience, I would rather have 1 copy on CF than 2 copies on 2 different spinning disks!  1 Copy on CF and 1 one disk would be ok, but 2 copies on 2 different flash cards would be the best.  And CF much better than SD because they are inherently more durable.

The best or even a really good or necessary strategy requires more information than originally presented.  Things like:

1. Is power an issue.  Do I have a power source available at night or at regular intervals or am I limited to what I can carry and what is the duration of my stints between power availability.

2. Can I physically separate the 2 images and keep track of their locations or at least keep them with me, but in physically separate storage such that loss or theft of a single bag does not lose both copies.

3.  How many images and of what size do I need to deal with.  Big difference if you are talking 500, 1,000 or 10,000 images. 

4.  Do I need access to the images during my time in the field or am I just needing storage?
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 13, 2015, 02:51:23 pm
I don't believe those of us suggesting more cards are suggesting leaving the images on the card forever.  I certainly do not. 
Neither would I. Either a 2nd set of cards or something to have TWO copies of images shot on location. That's the backup. Once back in the office or studio, the data will be transfered and ALL cards can then be formated.

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My cameras have dual slots so having 2 copies an automatic function if you set up the camera that way.
Mine doesn't, we don't know if the OP's does either. But he wants a backup, that seems clear.

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  And depending on the realities in the field, if common mode or common cause failures are not accounted for, having multiple copies is a mute point.
Yes that's possible but the OP and others want to reduce the possibilities of data loss as much as we can. That means having more than one copy; a backup as the OP as asked about. Suggesting more cards is only going to provide that IF there's a way to copy the files from the original card to the other backup card. 

Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 13, 2015, 05:11:35 pm
Yes that's possible but the OP and others want to reduce the possibilities of data loss as much as we can. That means having more than one copy; a backup as the OP as asked about. Suggesting more cards is only going to provide that IF there's a way to copy the files from the original card to the other backup card. 

My point is that redundancy is not a panacea.  In my previous career, I was a national SME in Probabilistic Risk Analysis for nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons systems. Having 5 copies all in the same bag doesn't help if the bag goes overboard or is stolen.  Having 5 copies doesn't help if they are all on electromagnetic media and they all have to go through the same scanner that scrambles them.  At Browns Ferry having redundant systems didn't help when the control cables were burned in the same cable tray by the same fire leading to 10 CFR 50 Appendix R.

You have to understand what the credible threats might be in any situation and if you are vulnerable to those threats.  Then the countermeasures (redundant copies, different types of media, different handling/storage/transmittal) need to be selected based on those vulnerabilities. Worrying about threats that are not credible or vulnerabilities that do not exist is pointless.   

Something as simple as keeping your cards on your person rather than putting them in a bag, might be the best protection in some situations.  Might be the exact wrong decision in others!
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: stever on January 13, 2015, 06:00:51 pm
and the credible threats are theft, loss, damage -- the only way to protect is multiple copies that are packed, stored, and carried separately -- what's so complicated?
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Adam L on January 13, 2015, 06:12:12 pm
You can attach this to an external HDD and backup:  http://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-FileHub-Wireless-External-sharing/dp/B00INMB23Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421190408&sr=8-1&keywords=memory+card+backup&pebp=1421190421048&peasin=B00INMB23Q

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Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 13, 2015, 06:13:09 pm
My point is that redundancy is not a panacea.  In my previous career, I was a national SME in Probabilistic Risk Analysis for nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons systems. Having 5 copies all in the same bag doesn't help if the bag goes overboard or is stolen. 
So you're proposing the OP not backup despite his desire to do so? S*&T happens yes. Redundancy is helpful in some but of course not all situations. Frankly when on a far way location, I'm not going to forgo backing up my images because:

1. it really doesn't take much time at all (with the right product).
2. it makes me sleep better at night.
3. I've personally had one of the copies go bad and was rather happy I had the backup.

Yes, if the earth is swallowed by a black hole, or the nukes go off, none of the redundancy is going to be helpful. In such cases, I'll have more on my plate than worrying about my images. Nothing you've stated is convincing in terms of not backing up my important data but thanks for the effort. The OP made a simple request for information; how to backup his data on location. I think he's got a good game plan, even if there's no 100% assurance anything he does will save his data in every situation.
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Something as simple as keeping your cards on your person rather than putting them in a bag, might be the best protection in some situations.  Might be the exact wrong decision in others!
Agreed and I'd hope this would be obvious to most. That said, one copy can be on your person and be corrupted while the copy isn't (which is exactly what happened to me). S*&T happens to media and in such a case, redundancy is the difference between having an image and not. 
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: langier on January 13, 2015, 06:23:06 pm
I have two Sanho Colorspace Hyperdrives, each with 500GB drives.

When I travel for more than a week or without my Macbook, this does the job.

I've traveled overseas with these now for three one-month trips shooting my cares 1x then backing-up on each 2x. A cherry-picked selection goes onto the iPad so that I can email my trip's progress and if a client on the road needs me to process quickly or fulfill from my portfolio.

So far, I had one failure (the drive died on the road, but I had both a apart and all the cards) and though it died, I saved the day for a client when he filled his cards and I backed them to this drive which I was still able to recover his files.

The case uses a 2.5 inch drive and my next move may to replace the disk with an SSD for speed and better reliability.

In practice, I'm about to download at least 150-200GB per charge and the built-in reader handles both CF and SD cards. It can be charged with a brick or using a USB mini cable, which also works to transfer files to my system at home. I also have a small AA battery case that will charge the Hyperdrive.

What this has allowed me to do is to not have to pack a computer and all the bulk and weight. Best of all, since I'm not downloading on my computer nightly then fooling with the images, I can socialize or sleep more, though it still takes time nightly with all the charging and peeking on the iPad (now my bottle neck during travel!).

The Hyperdrive fits in my vest pocket and the second goes into my carry-on, so I spread out the risk of loosing my photos. With card capacities rising and cameras taking smaller cards, it's also to the point where you can put in one large card and put all your photos into one basket! Best to back it up and spread out the images, IMO!

Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Hans Kruse on January 13, 2015, 07:13:54 pm
Hello



I would like to ask if you can advice me/ give me any recommendations on how to back up photos in the field (from CF cards into hard drive) without bringing my laptop?

what are basically my options?

 ???

Thank you very much

Just in case if you are not aware: A number of cameras have two card slots and I believe all of them allow to be setup such that the pictures taken gets written to both cards. Examples of cameras like this are Canon 1Ds III, 5D III, 1DX, Nikon D800(E), D810. In such a case you automatically have a backup and just have enough cards for the trip and there is no need for backup.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: vulture on January 14, 2015, 08:40:30 am
I am using UDMA COLORSPACE since years and it never let me down.
 You can even change the hard drive (available in capacities up to 1TB) in case you want to keep the backup a little while and the latest generation of batteries are really excellent.
Also good for storing video footage, although not playable on UDMA. My reliable companion on all work trips since its release.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 14, 2015, 04:09:16 pm
I am using UDMA COLORSPACE since years and it never let me down.
 You can even change the hard drive (available in capacities up to 1TB) in case you want to keep the backup a little while and the latest generation of batteries are really excellent.
Also good for storing video footage, although not playable on UDMA. My reliable companion on all work trips since its release.

Is this what you guys are talking about?
(http://prettygeeky.com/images/uploads/2012/gear/sanho.jpg)

In my quick search, I was unable to determine if this uses a 500GB spinning platter drive, but the description says HDD.  If that is true, I wouldn't trust this thing in the field.  In the studio, maybe around town, but not in the field.  Maybe replacing the HDD with an SSD.  If you're not willing to toss this thing to a 5ft drop onto a solid rock surface, then already know how fragile it really is.

I'm thankful that both my cameras (D7100 and D810) has dual slots that let me configure the camera to have 2 copies written at the time of shutter release.  I also use small cards and use a new card every day so both those copies are not in the camera for an extended period of time.  I also have a $5 OTG USB adapter for my NoteII phone and Note 8" tablet and a $3 card reader that I use to view images from the cards. 

If you are worried about the card going bad, buy better cards.  The best solution is to use Industrial/Military Grade cards: Amtron, Pretec, etc. which are rated to extreme temperatures and shock loadings. 

If you are worried about theft, loss or flushing it down the toilet such that multiple copies is the only countermeasure, then a camera with dual slots is the best option.  The next best thing is a strategy to write out a 2nd copy to some sort of solid state media.  Writing a 2nd copy to a spinning platter drive would be the last resort.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 14, 2015, 05:11:01 pm
In my quick search, I was unable to determine if this uses a 500GB spinning platter drive, but the description says HDD.  If that is true, I wouldn't trust this thing in the field.  In the studio, maybe around town, but not in the field.  
Well yeah, not only is this what we're talking about (and a link was presented in the 2nd post), it works fine in the field and a bunch of us here have used them (mine since 2007). But heck, there's no reason to back up anything at anytime since redundancy is just a panacea.
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If you are worried about the card going bad, buy better cards.
No one said they were worried about cards going bad, we're worried about have ONE copy of precious (to us) images on location! And FWIW, on location, over many, many years, a lot of us backed up our files onto our laptops using guess what, a spinning platter drive! And not all of us have dual card slots in our camera!
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: KAHA on January 14, 2015, 05:35:05 pm
Hello

I would like to ask if you can advice me/ give me any recommendations on how to back up photos in the field (from CF cards into hard drive) without bringing my laptop?

what are basically my options?

 ???

Thank you very much


Along with the other suggestions made on the forum the 128GB iStick USB drive (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hypershop/isticktm-usb-flash-drive-with-lightning-for-iphone) might be another option for storage back up. It looks very promising as an iPad storage/preview device.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: rolei on January 16, 2015, 08:13:29 am
so what hard drives are available to get for the HyperDrive ColorSpace UDMA2 3.5?
what is the one that comes originally with it and is it better to get HD separately?
which internal hd  do you recommend me to get for the hyperdrive?

thank you
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 16, 2015, 10:23:35 am
Well yeah, not only is this what we're talking about (and a link was presented in the 2nd post), it works fine in the field and a bunch of us here have used them (mine since 2007). But heck, there's no reason to back up anything at anytime since redundancy is just a panacea. No one said they were worried about cards going bad, we're worried about have ONE copy of precious (to us) images on location! And FWIW, on location, over many, many years, a lot of us backed up our files onto our laptops using guess what, a spinning platter drive! And not all of us have dual card slots in our camera!

Not sure what all the snark is about, but I'm just discussing probabilities.  The probability of failure for CF is fairly low, especially good flash.  Having a 2nd copy is great.  And I am glad those of you using 'spinning disks' in the field have not experienced a failure.  But that does not change the fact that in any failure mode you can think of from shock to temperature to electromagnetic fields to spurious or accumulated error, spinning disk is inferior to CF and flash memory in general.

My question still stands.  Are you willing to drop that device from 5ft onto rock expecting it to survive? 
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 16, 2015, 10:41:50 am
Not sure what all the snark is about, but I'm just discussing probabilities. 
The OP asked a simple question: How to backup in the field. Not how many cards should he take. Not if backing up in the field is a panacea. Not if backing up to a spinning disks is problematic. Not how far his backup has to survive a drop. Some are staying OT and attempting to help the OP, some are pontificating.
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My question still stands.  Are you willing to drop that device from 5ft onto rock expecting it to survive?
Start a new post and ask that question (although it's a rather silly question). 5 feet, 5000 feet, doesn't matter as long as you had a backup!
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 16, 2015, 10:43:52 am
so what hard drives are available to get for the HyperDrive ColorSpace UDMA2 3.5?
what is the one that comes originally with it and is it better to get HD separately?
which internal hd  do you recommend me to get for the hyperdrive?
I purchased mine with the drive. You can add your own too (or upgrade to a larger drive). Perhaps even an SSD? Not sure. Not sure it's worth the extra cost either. The unit comes with instructions on doing this HD swap.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: stever on January 16, 2015, 12:00:44 pm
clarification on the two-card strategy - there are two alternatives:
  1. ALWAYS remove the backup card before the camera is lost, stolen, dropped overboard, etc.
  2. Carry as many cards as you have days to back up (each card with capacity for the maximum number of images you can take in a day) and at the end of each day put the backup in a secure location.  for me this would be about 30 64gb cards for a international trip

on a more practical note I have had one failure of a hyperdrive when I knocked it off a table and broke the USB connector - spinning drive was fine and still working in a new hyperdrive case.  I have a slight preference for Western Digital, but Samsung and Seagate are fine too.  5400 rpm without any bells and whistles is all you need.  drive must be FAT format

note that the hyperdive can write to cards and external drives (which requires an extra cable and power supply and the drive written to must also be FAT formatted).

for those who do not have a camera (and backup body with two slots) the hyperdrive is an economic alternative to new camera(s)
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Colorado David on January 16, 2015, 01:20:43 pm
I can't remember for sure, but I would bet the last time I went on a trip without a laptop was 2007.  At that time I had to pare down as much as I could to fit in a float plane.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Alan Smallbone on January 16, 2015, 01:55:07 pm
The unit can take any 2.5 inch harddrive. Easy to do. I have not had a problem with spinning disks but then I don't throw them down either, I know accidents can happen, that is why I have redundancy. I usually back up in the evening after the day's shooting, when I can sit down and control things and not in a hurry, less chance of mistakes. I have had memory cards fail, so anything is possible and why we have redundant backups.  ;D  It is a good alternative to carrying a laptop, it is also good to carry one with a laptop as a backup device. The Colorspace works well, it does what it says it does. I find the whole wifi transfer to the phone a worse alternative to transfer to tablet to an hd, for one I like keeping the phone as charged as possible for emergency use and the Colorspace is a faster better workflow for me, and less effort. Turn it on, put the card in, press the right buttons and I have my backup.

Alan
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 16, 2015, 09:23:39 pm
The OP asked a simple question: How to backup in the field. Not how many cards should he take. Not if backing up in the field is a panacea. Not if backing up to a spinning disks is problematic. Not how far his backup has to survive a drop. Some are staying OT and attempting to help the OP, some are pontificating. Start a new post and ask that question (although it's a rather silluestion). 5 feet, 5000 feet, doesn't matter as long as you had a backup!

We previously went over that.  Best option for backup in the field is in-camera. Next best is backup to solid state NAND memory. Backup to spinning disk would be last option because spinning disk is the least reliable.

But, It is vital to understand what you are trying to prevent against and determine the appropriate strategy.  If in camera backup is best, that only works if you regularly are separating the original and the backup.  Otherwise, if the camera is lost, not only do you loose all the originals, but all the backups.   That dictates how many cards you might need.

I build computers and know personally how unreliable hard drive are.  They have gotten much better over time, but the basic design is susceptible to all kinds of errors.  I have personally experienced the loss of about 1 years worth of family photos due to hard drive failure.  My desktop, which does not experience any of the temperature and shock events a hard drive in the field has experienced 1 media failure and 1 on-board controller failure.  Luckily those were in mirror arrays.  My server runs enterprise drives because they are much more reliable than desktop drives.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: digitaldog on January 16, 2015, 09:32:06 pm
I build computers and know personally how unreliable hard drive are.
 I have personally experienced the loss of about 1 years worth of family photos due to hard drive failure. 
Begging the question, why didn't you back them up?

I've been using a Mac since 1988. My wife, who at the time was the computer expert (that's her degree) taught me to backup religiously. At the time, that was done on floppies! I've NEVER lost a file since. I've got no less than thee backups (one off site).

So, you state that redundancy is a panacea while telling us you lost a year worth of family photos due to hard drive failure. What are we supposed to make of those two statements?
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Best option for backup in the field is in-camera.
That's not an option for many of us. We've been over that.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Conner999 on January 17, 2015, 08:43:16 am
I shoot tethered with automated backups on location, but if going ultra light/remote I'd just be tempted to p/u a used or refurb copy of a basic Macbook AiR (or PC equiv) and some usb3 case(s) that I'd populate with HDDs and SSDs of my choice. That or a Seagate Thunderbolt 2.5" drive sled/dock (use one, works like a charm) and treat 2.5" drives (HDD or SSD) like large CF cards.  The AiR could act as own backup copy, can check files, etc, etc. Even go tethered if desired/able.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 17, 2015, 02:48:40 pm
Begging the question, why didn't you back them up?

Hadn't executed the backup yet.  Was young and stupid.

I've been using a Mac since 1988. My wife, who at the time was the computer expert (that's her degree) taught me to backup religiously. At the time, that was done on floppies! I've NEVER lost a file since. I've got no less than thee backups (one off site). So, you state that redundancy is a panacea while telling us you lost a year worth of family photos due to hard drive failure. What are we supposed to make of those two statements? That's not an option for many of us. We've been over that.

I said redundancy is not a panacea.  Common cause and common mode failures can lead to loss of multiple copies if not implemented appropriately.  My 9TB server is setup using Stablebit DrivePool which allows me to select directories to duplicate such that the drives are in a pool, but some directories are backed up like a mirror array.  But there are modes of failure like lightnig strike that can take out both copies, so I have implemented a significant surge suppression effort.

And yes, I understand that some cameras do not facilitate in-camera backup.  In that case another strategy needs to be implemented.  My recommendation would be backup to some sort of solid state media like CF or SSD.
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: dwswager on January 21, 2015, 04:21:29 pm
In researching the Colorspace UDMA2, there is conflicting information about the ability to use 2.5" (laptop size) SSDs with this device.  Once Sanho employee reported YES, while another via email customer support reported NO!  In addition, there are reports from owners that say they are using SSDs with this device.  Specifically mentioned were the Samsung 840 series.

"have just checked with my spare samsumg 250 gig ssd the 840 series (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-250GB-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7TE250BW/dp/B00E3W1726/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421875208&sr=8-2&keywords=ssd+840+samsung&pebp=1421875259747&peasin=B00E3W1726) perfect in both udma and udma 2 the prices are very good now and it makes the colorspace featherweight now"
Title: Re: how to backup photos in the field?
Post by: Vincy Logan on June 25, 2015, 05:12:11 am
Since taking picture as I traveled to different place, I did take a lot of pictures. So all these photos became previous to me that I did back them up in more than one location.
 
I use xcopy and cloudbacko to backup them in daily & weekly basis at night. The strategy between xcopy and cloudbacko is different. xcopy sync all files from my laptop to my portable drive once a week while cloudbacko does it in daily basis. In this case, I mostly just bring some sd cards with me while travel.  Once I am backup, I will plug them to laptop and backup directly.  This is ideal to me coz the weight of sd card is minor.

In this case, you also don't need to buy many sd card to keeps backup  ;)