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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: alex on November 25, 2014, 10:37:30 am
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I'm down to my last few sheets of Ilford Gold Fibre Silk - what have other people found to be a good matching replacement, in terms of weight, finish, tonal response and permanence? I print on an Epson 3800, and more often than not in b/w.
Thanks,
Alex
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There's no problem. It is back in production. I've tested the new stock by printing the Atkinson test image, comparing it with the result of the same file on the previous paper using the same profile and it's fine.
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Thanks - shows how out of touch I've been!
Alex
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There's no problem. It is back in production.
Mark,
do you know when it will be available again? I just tried to find dealer here in Germany but did not succeed.
Kind regards
Thomas
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Canson Baryta Photograhique is an excellent replacement.
Hugo
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Mark,
do you know when it will be available again? I just tried to find dealer here in Germany but did not succeed.
Kind regards
Thomas
It is available in North America. In Germany you may wish to try Tecco - they may be handling it, but I'm not sure.
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I'm down to my last few sheets of Ilford Gold Fibre Silk - what have other people found to be a good matching replacement, in terms of weight, finish, tonal response and permanence? I print on an Epson 3800, and more often than not in b/w.
Thanks,
Alex
Check my test on this subject i posted earlier this year: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=87977.msg717312#msg717312
In short, there are several.
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Check my test on this subject i posted earlier this year: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=87977.msg717312#msg717312
In short, there are several.
The new production IGPFS is identical to Felix Schoeller's J23160 True Baryta 310 gsm and Hahnemühle Photo Silk Baryta 310. Jan tested the Hahnemühle version, it is better than the old IGFS according his profiling.
The old IGFS is close to the Canson Baryta Photographique 310gsm, Innova IFA69 Fibaprint Baryta 310 gsm and the Mediajet PhotoArt White Baryta 310 gsm. For as long as it lasts as I expect some of them will be replaced by the above Felix Schoeller production.
This is not just spectral plot evidence, a representative in the printing industry confirmed part of the above to me.
Edit: read this part of another thread too http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=95330.40
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
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There's no problem. It is back in production. I've tested the new stock by printing the Atkinson test image, comparing it with the result of the same file on the previous paper using the same profile and it's fine.
Hi Mark:
Where do you find IGS? When I went to my usual source they listed Simply Elegant Gold Fiber as an "exact" replacement for discontinued IGS.
Tom
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Hi Mark:
Where do you find IGS? When I went to my usual source they listed Simply Elegant Gold Fiber as an "exact" replacement for discontinued IGS.
Tom
Where are you located? In Canada and the USA the usual distributors and retailers are now stocking Ilford Gold Fibre Silk in the same packaging (an improvement now - protective wrap around the paper INSIDE the box), same name.
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I'm in the US, not far from Toronto actually. I just checked B&H and they have it listed, but I'm certain the last time I looked it wasn't. I usually buy through IT Supplies; they have a good price and I get the shipment within two days (sometimes next day). When I go to their site I find this:
https://www.itsupplies.com/Ilford-Papers
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They're selling something else. If you want the real thing, B&H is probably your best bet.
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Hi Mark:
Where do you find IGS? When I went to my usual source they listed Simply Elegant Gold Fiber as an "exact" replacement for discontinued IGS.
Tom
If what Ernst says and measures is true, i would reprofile. Just using the IGS profile is then sub-optimal.
My review of the hahnemuhle photo silk baryta shows this.
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If what Ernst says and measures is true, i would reprofile. Just using the IGS profile is then sub-optimal.
My review of the hahnemuhle photo silk baryta shows this.
Right now I think your Hahnemühle review/test says more about the new IGPFS than any older article on IGPFS says about the new IGPFS. Of course it would be even nicer if someone reviewed/tested the three identical papers I mentioned and published it in English. May be a disappointing project as I expect not much difference between the three.
I have no knowledge of the Simply Elegant Gold Fiber paper quality. I can measure it when I receive a sample. One thing is certain, there is a group of Fiber/Baryta papers that show the properties of the old IGPFS and there are now three papers that show the properties of the new IGPFS. I see distributors claim they have a paper that is a replacement for IGPFS and what they have is from one of the two groups. If this continues it is likely that there are two sources for the papers. This may change though. It must be quite simple for any distributor to get access to one of the paper qualities.
When I ask the Dutch speaking representative on the Ilford Imaging booth of the Photokina 2014 three times whether the fresh Ilford Imaging sample book he gives me has samples identical to the old production and I get three times a "Yes" then I have no restriction in expressing my reservation about representatives if my testing shows that at least 75% of the papers in that book measured is not identical to the old production. The range is different and either the spectral plots are different or the texture is different or the weight. Some come very close like the IGPFS and the Smooth Pearl RC but are not identical. If I then compare the IGPFS with a sample of the Hahnemühle Photo Silk Baryta that I got before the Photokina and see a 1:1 resemblance I know there is a source. Measuring the new paper catalog of Felix Schoeller tells me where that source is and rumor on the Photokina already confirmed some distributors are not happy that Felix Schoeller has a fine art paper catalog open for everyone. I tried to get baryta paper samples from FS at the Photokina 2012 but they refused then. It has been the main baryta paper base manufacturer in Europe for at least half a century, long before inkjet baryta papers appeared and it has patents on inkjet baryta papers. Comparing all the samples of the new Ilford production with known big manufacturer's paper samples shows Mitsubishi and Felix Schoeller ties, while some papers can not be identified. On that observation I get a confirmation from someone I trust in the industry.
In my opinion, in general the new Ilford Imaging papers are less unique as they have been when the papers were still coated in Marly, Swiss. Whether all the old papers Ilford Imaging used to sell were all coated at Marly at that time is a question I have no answer for. On a German forum a message says that the old IGPFS was produced by Felix Schoeller, it would not surprise me if that is correct. The new one may just be a new development on the old one. The uniqueness and quality of the new Ilford paper range has to be found in practice and new tests, including fade testing, Simply declaring that the Ilford Imaging Galerie Prestige range is back and identical to the old range is cutting ethical corners, at least in my book.
There is an approach to stay with company descriptions of their products and review the products based on that information. That should keep contacts with the companies prolonged in time which can be a good thing to keep fast access to new developed products etc. I would like that too but I think that it should not compromise the interests of the paper users in the end. The last will happen when the company's descriptions are not to be trusted.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
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Amen to that.
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Where are you located? In Canada and the USA the usual distributors and retailers are now stocking Ilford Gold Fibre Silk in the same packaging (an improvement now - protective wrap around the paper INSIDE the box), same name.
Interesting. I've noticed that local shops do have plenty of Illford papers in the traditional packaging (pre-Illford bankruptcy). But no one could tell me whether it was old stock or new Illford papers.
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Interesting. I've noticed that local shops do have plenty of Illford papers in the traditional packaging (pre-Illford bankruptcy). But no one could tell me whether it was old stock or new Illford papers.
The new packaging has a little printed circle on the label saying it is "WIR-Certified" or some such - that's Wilhelm-Imaging. If it has that you know it's new stock
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The new packaging has a little printed circle on the label saying it is "WIR-Certified" or some such - that's Wilhelm-Imaging. If it has that you know it's new stock
Amazing how fast the new production lot got "certified". How'd they do that? :)
cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com
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The new packaging has a little printed circle on the label saying it is "WIR-Certified" or some such - that's Wilhelm-Imaging. If it has that you know it's new stock
Just on the IGPFS packages or on all the media packages?
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
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Amazing how fast the new production lot got "certified". How'd they do that? :)
cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com
No idea. Perhaps irt was in the works from before the bankruptcy, and as its the same paper........
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Just on the IGPFS packages or on all the media packages?
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
Don't know - I haven't bought the other packages.
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........... it would be even nicer if someone reviewed/tested the three identical papers I mentioned and published it in English. May be a disappointing project as I expect not much difference between the three.
For two of them (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/another_two_barytas_in_the_neighbourhood.shtml):
You'll notice I obtained a slightly larger gamut volume for the IGFS than for the Hahn Silk Baryta. But test prints seen on paper - as you've said, very close products.
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In my opinion, in general the new Ilford Imaging papers are less unique as they have been when the papers were still coated in Marly, Swiss.
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
December 2014 update, 700+ inkjet media white spectral plots
My main interest is what the prints look like when I'm using a standard comparator such as the well known Atkinson or Outback printer test target. I printed the target on the new IGFS, compared with a print of it I had made on the old IGFS and I couldn't detect any difference of tonal or colour rendition between them, seen under the same Solux lighting.
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The new packaging has a little printed circle on the label saying it is "WIR-Certified" or some such - that's Wilhelm-Imaging. If it has that you know it's new stock
Thanks for the trick, Mark.
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Excellent timing, I was about to ask the exact same question. Bonus question: What's the deal with Ilford ? They are back in business ? Sorry, I did some research but I see a lot of contradicting infos.
PS: HI ! I'm new to the forum :)