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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Capture One Q&A => Topic started by: forge on September 29, 2014, 07:32:18 am
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Hi,
I have a newbie question.
I'm using DXO with Capture One Pro. My workflow is currently to denoise image using DXO, exporting a DNG from DXO and retouching it with Capture One. But when I open the dxo generated dng with Capture One, in the base characteristics tab, the ICC profile used is DNG File Neutral instead of my camera profile.
Do you think I need to change the ICC profile from DNG File Neutral to the ICC profile of my camera included in C1P ?
Or is it a useless operation and I only need to edit my dxo generated dng in C1P using DNG File Neutral ?
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As long as you're getting the denoise results performed in DxO, you can treat the ICC profile as a simple preference; whatever you like best as your starting point. I admit I don't know how DxO operates and am a little surprised you can see the de-noised image in another editor still in a RAW format, but if it works for you, then great. And, why can't you tag/embed your camera ICC profile into the DNG from DxO. If it's possible and that's what you want, it would seem the optimal way to do it.
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Hi,
I have a newbie question.
I'm using DXO with Capture One Pro. My workflow is currently to denoise image using DXO, exporting a DNG from DXO and retouching it with Capture One. But when I open the dxo generated dng with Capture One, in the base characteristics tab, the ICC profile used is DNG File Neutral instead of my camera profile.
Do you think I need to change the ICC profile from DNG File Neutral to the ICC profile of my camera included in C1P ?
Or is it a useless operation and I only need to edit my dxo generated dng in C1P using DNG File Neutral ?
Hi Forge,
It sounds like a curious workflow, and I am not sure you are seeing the 'de-noised' result in Capture One anyway.
What camera model is it? Have you tried taking the manufacturers original file into capture one in the first place?
David
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and I am not sure you are seeing the 'de-noised' result in Capture One anyway.
DxO can output a linear DNG with adjustments baked in... for as long as color transform (and things like WB/tone curves, etc - because those can negatively impact what C1 does later) were not applied/baked in by DxO, ICC profile shall be OK to apply (for a color transform purposes) in C1 (if it allows to do so).
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Hi,
I know it's a curious workflow but the denoise ("Prime"= algorithm in DxO is really powerful. But I love C1P for every other aspect ;-) (I should also give a try to the denoise algorithm in C1P)
I tried to open the 2 images with C1P (from dxo and from the manufacturer of my camera Pentax k-r): the one which has been processed by DxO seems less saturated and after I apply the ICC profile from my camera, the colors pops more (a bit too more for me) and I have a problem with some colors rendering too violet.
I think I found a thread on the phase one forum with someone having the same problem : http://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=17023
I checked what was ticked in Dxo:the WB is the original one, Exposure compensation set to auto - Smart, Dxo Smart Lighting - Auto Light, Noise Reduction On, Color Rendition set to Generic with Camera default profile and Optical Corrections on.
I'm thinking of dropping the use of C1P on images that I processed before with dxo (which are only images with big noise).
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As mentioned in that Phase One Forum thread, we only support DNG files on a camera to camera basis.
So perhaps try the original RAW file directly in Capture One.
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As mentioned in that Phase One Forum thread, we only support DNG files on a camera to camera basis.
So perhaps try the original RAW file directly in Capture One.
the point here is to consider DNG not as a raw file really, but as an intermediate format in your workflow... like .TIFF - there is a market of people who might want to use C1 not exactly as a raw converter, but rather as a postprocessing tool working with converted images... so why again neglect such market segment ?
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forge
what type of cam
era(s) are you using?
I have tried several ways... DxO>C1P... and C1P all the way... LR5>DxO
Maybe just my eye but I find;
- There is NOTHING better than straight C1P for Canon RAW. It is the nines. The best by far.
- Leica DNG LR>DxO or DxO>C1P. Files a bit dull in C1P only
- Nikon (well, nothing really works, the files are sooooo red to my eye and it's very hard to neutralize this without a lot of work on other colors too) but C1P (alone) ~= LR>DxO
Fuji only tried LR>DxO so difficult for me to say
Oly definitely LR>DxO (and back usually, as a Tiff)
This is not meant to invalidate anyone else's taste/experience... just what seems to be for me
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Hi, sorry for the late reply !
I use Olympus, Pentax and Sony cameras !