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Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Graham Berks on November 18, 2005, 06:00:10 pm
Is there an rss feed for the 'what's new section' ?

Cheers
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: neil on November 18, 2005, 10:41:20 pm
Thanks for asking!

Michael, that means that they're asking you to blog so it will be 'syndicated' to their news readers.

Anyone else interested or using RSS readers primarily?
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: usrbingeek on November 18, 2005, 10:54:29 pm
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Anyone else interested or using RSS readers primarily?
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Yes! Yes!!
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Tim Gray on November 19, 2005, 07:53:49 am
yes.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: michael on November 19, 2005, 08:58:46 am
This has been asked for before, and I have to say that I'm not a big fan of RRS, and it's never seem to be worth the work.

I "only" have a couple of postings a week, and if people can't be bothered to checked the What's New page that often, then ........

Michael
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Graham Berks on November 19, 2005, 02:08:34 pm
It's not really a question of being bothered, more of praticality.

If i had to visit every web page for everything that interests me i'd be spending an enourmous amount of time doing it.

RSS combined with a great news reader, like netnewswire, provides invaluable way of keeping upto date.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: DiaAzul on November 19, 2005, 06:13:00 pm
I always thought that RSS was a great marketing tool - slip in the odd update on video journal releases, book or print releases, workshops, etc... and you can be assured that everyone gets the message at the earliest opportunity. Asking people to come back and check the web page is a recipe for someone to miss the important announcements as the skid down towards the bottom of the page.

But then if Michael isn't interested in effectively communicating with his market...
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: michael on November 19, 2005, 07:28:36 pm
Call me old fashioned.

Michael
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Tyler Hawk on November 19, 2005, 08:53:21 pm
I don't blame you for not wanting to blog..., A lot of work for what I can't imagine would be enough return.  Those who are buying will buy.  Those who frequent the site get plenty of feedback from you on these boards and you share your travels, insight and such with plenty of frequency.  All that added work for a really specialized market  .  I think the site offers enough in itself than to add that addition, which again, in my opinion is not really needed with all that is offered here.  Your base visits often enough and I'm sure there is a legion of loyal devotees who pop in a few times a day to get the info and updates they need.  Then you have the semi-frequent visitor like myself who pops in a couple times a week, sometimes more, sometimes less, who can catch up pretty quick.  Besides, I can't imagine everything that is produced by this site is "must read" material for everyone.    

Heck I'm kind of amazed that at the traffic this site gets you don't take on advertisers.  By the way - it wouldn't bother me if you did.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: jdemott on November 19, 2005, 10:45:58 pm
Pro:  I use an RSS feed to check many sites already (many of which I don't consider blogs) so an RSS feed would be an added convenience.

Con:  The website content on Luminous Landscape updates only a couple times a week and I check the site at least daily anyway in order to keep up with posts in the forums, so it wouldn't help me very much.

On balance:  Why not add the RSS feed?  Some people will appreciate it and those who don't shouldn't mind.  It is becoming fairly standard and it doesn't seem to interfere with the normal operation of the website.  

Disclaimer: I don't have the technical knowledge to evaluate whether having an RSS feed poses a significant cost or burden.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: neil on November 20, 2005, 03:26:19 am
It would only take a small amount of setup and change the input method for the what's new page.

I haven't yet looked into if I can get you guys a feed from the forum or not, I can look into that.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: neil on November 20, 2005, 03:28:17 am
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not wanting to blog..., A lot of work for what I can't imagine would be enough return.

I'll e-mail you a login to my blog (http://neilcowley.com/b2/) so you can see the posting interface.  Its nearly identical to the forum...
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: francofit on November 20, 2005, 04:27:45 am
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This has been asked for before, and I have to say that I'm not a big fan of RRS, and it's never seem to be worth the work.

I "only" have a couple of postings a week, and if people can't be bothered to checked the What's New page that often, then ........

Michael
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Call me old fashioned.
My 2 cents:
I think Michael is right.
I'd comment in this way-
Sometimes going to FastFood is unavoidable or comes in handy,
but when going to "slow-food" old fashioned special quality Restaurants is another story...

I use RSS for other sites or other kind of news (and find it handy), but when I come to the LL site I like to check and peruse slowly the "What's New", then the "Home page" then the Forum, the articles and then back again just to be sure I haven't missed anything or simply to enjoy once more some image or past article (there are so many I want to taste again or not yet tasted). I don't need RSS for this site.
To me this is a special "old fashioned" slow food for amateurs.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Madness on November 20, 2005, 06:11:10 am
The thing is... it's hardly any extra work at all even if you don't change the publishing method.

If you use a tool like http://www.rsspublisher.com/ (http://www.rsspublisher.com/) the extra work is setting the date, subject, copy/paste of the text you've already written for the what's new page and uploading the file.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: michael on November 20, 2005, 07:32:04 am
Not if you're a Mac user like me.

Michael
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Graham Berks on November 20, 2005, 08:11:24 am
For those with netwirenews you can simulate rss with

http://tadpol.org/articles/2005/01/10/htmltorss (http://tadpol.org/articles/2005/01/10/htmltorss)
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Tyler Hawk on November 20, 2005, 08:19:47 am
Neil - Your blog is a nice setup - looks good, the whole thing and you are right - it doesn't look all that difficult if you know what you are doing but again it's another process of going through images and preparing them etc.., maybe it is maybe it isn't that time consuming but again, it's more time in front of the computer.  

Now here is the other issue - blogs are these personal journals for the most part.  Maybe I'm a more private person but I'm not interested in sharing my daily or semi-daily goings-on with the world.  Is Michael that interesting on a day to day basis?  Or does he even want to share his day to day musings?  Do enough people care?  I would hope not, I know I have many other things that I would rather do than,  I went to the store and I came up with an intersting angle for the Video Journal - here's a shot of the cashier as I buy bread, she seemed pleasant.  On my way home I thought about this VJ idea some more, then a ramble about the idea.  Here is the Stop where I decided that the idea was worth writing down.  Here is a shot of my desk where I wrote down the idea.  I then answered some calls and did some business.  While looking over my new 5D that arrived from Canon, see my review, I decided to run some action shots with it, so I took my dog out back and threw some frisbees, here are those shots.  Boy did we have fun.  Afterwards, I had a nice dinner with a great white wine my wife picked up.  It was a nice quiet evening.

Michael - I hope you don't blog.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Robert Spoecker on November 20, 2005, 11:48:14 am
Thank you, thank you, thank you Michael,

Thank you for providing me with a great forum at no cost.

When someone offers me a free ice cream cone I do not like to insist on a cherry on top but accept gratefully what is offered.  

Robert
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: francois on November 20, 2005, 12:18:29 pm
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Thank you, thank you, thank you Michael,

Thank you for providing me with a great forum at no cost.

When someone offers me a free ice cream cone I do not like to insist on a cherry on top but accept gratefully what is offered.  

Robert
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Well said Robert!
For me, a RSS feed is non-essential for this website. I use feeds for news or other fast updating sites.
A member of the forums already provides a feed at this address:
[a href=\"http://www.gryffyn.com/cgi-bin/rss/LuminousLandscape.xml]www.gryffyn.com/cgi-bin/rss/LuminousLandscape.xml[/url]

But I've never found much use for it and always prefer to visit the "What's New" page directly.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: BlasR on November 20, 2005, 12:56:08 pm
Where in the world is Howard Smith?

I miss him.

Michael very nice photo's from China,,Next time you going there let me know,,I hope you can take me with you..I know I need to pay...But is only money.

BlasR
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Graham Berks on November 20, 2005, 01:33:29 pm
francois,

thanks for the link.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: jdemott on November 20, 2005, 02:05:05 pm
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Thank you, thank you, thank you Michael,

Thank you for providing me with a great forum at no cost.

When someone offers me a free ice cream cone I do not like to insist on a cherry on top but accept gratefully what is offered.

I don't feel at all strongly about the RSS feed, but I do feel fairly strongly that I am entitled to voice my opinions and suggestions concerning the site.  

In the beginning, Luminous Landscape was a completely free website and at that time I would have agreed whole-heartedly with Robert's sentiments--don't look a gift horse in the mouth.  About three years ago, Michael announced that the principal support for the website would be provided by his new venture, the Video Journal.  He made it quite clear that he was asking regular users of the website to subscribe as the way to financially support the website.  I signed up for the Video Journal and have been a subscriber since Issue 1.

Don't get me wrong.  I enjoy the Video Journal, just as I do the website.  But I do view myself as a paying customer of the Luminous Landscape and entitled to voice my opinions.   Luminous Landscape is a business, not a gift.   If Michael is half as smart a businessman as I think he is, then I expect he will welcome all reasonable comments (even if he doesn't always agree with them).
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Jay Kaplan on November 20, 2005, 02:39:23 pm
Maybe I am a little slow, I know what RSS feeds are, but how do I get them to my desktop?

Right now, I have a direct link to the site on my desktop that seems to work fine, so what benefit would a RSS feed do for me? Also, I do not think my employer would like me having one at work, so what would be the advantage.

I check the site daily when I am at home or during my lunch break at work.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: jani on November 20, 2005, 03:16:00 pm
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Maybe I am a little slow, I know what RSS feeds are, but how do I get them to my desktop?

Right now, I have a direct link to the site on my desktop that seems to work fine, so what benefit would a RSS feed do for me? Also, I do not think my employer would like me having one at work, so what would be the advantage.

I check the site daily when I am at home or during my lunch break at work.
If you use a modern web browser such as Mozilla Firefox or Opera 8, then the browser already has built-in RSS support. There is no need to fetch extra software. RSS support is also built-in with Mozilla Thunderbird.

A single RSS feed in your browser or mailreader may not give you a lot of added value, but for several sites, it can be a nice way of scanning for interesting stuff.

For instance, I have an RSS feed from the BBC, allowing me to check the latest news headlines at a glimpse. I similarly have one from Slashdot, just in case they have something vaguely interesting there; it happens a couple of times in a week.

It saves me oodles of time instead of going directly to the web pages in question, and it allows me to do so without actually disrupting my work.

Now I'm quite lucky in that I have a work situation where it's absolutely okay to spend some time during work hours to browse places like the LL (and the forums!), but for those who can't, I imagine an RSS feed would make it easier to keep up and look at what interests them.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Madness on November 20, 2005, 04:40:12 pm
Think of RSS as a delivery service saving you the time and effort of visiting various sites to see if there's anything new. Feeds are like a mailman who delivers newspapers and magazines so you don't have to go out and buy/look for them every day. Think of the time you save because of your mailman, now think how much you could save by subscribing to a feed and let the publisher of a website deliver the news to you.
And unlike email subscriptions there is absolutely no possibility of spam mail or unwanted virus attacks since you are in full control of the content being delivered to you. You cannot unsubscribe spam mail, you can unsubscribe a feed.


I have roughly 200-250 feeds in my aggregator (possibly even more). Everything from general news to specialist news (scuba, photography, advertising, design etc.) and interesting personal blogs. Some people automatically associate RSS feeds with personal blogs but the concept goes waay beyond that single purpose. It can be used for any content that is updated regularly (or not).
I have a feed that tells me when someone commented on a photo in my gallery or a blog post or a forum post or when someone edited a group project at work/class... whatever basically.
I've set up a feed for a small business website where hardly anything changes over time. But I've put it there anyway in case someone wants to be notified when it does.

The point is - I don't have to search for new content, the content comes to me and all those feeds take me just 15min to browse every day. Compared to how many hours/days if I'd visit each site individually??



to Michael

Nobody is saying you should start writing a personal blog. I don't think anyone cares what you ate for breakfast. Everything stays the same as it is and to be honest - what you're doing now could, in a way, be identified as a blog.   There are many different types of blogs out there. What differentiates yours from other more common types are just optional technicalities (blog engine, feed, permalinks, comments).

There's absolutely no need for you to change your style of writing just because there's a feed and/or blog engine present. Even if you decide to edit/publish a feed by hand... this is all you'd have to copy/paste each time you update. That tool I linked to earlier would simply do the "coding" work for you

<item>
  <title>L-L now has an RSS feed!!!</title>
  <link>http://www.luminous-landscape.com/new/index.shtml</link>
  <pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2005 18:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
  <author>Michael</author>
   <description>
     With winter coming on, at least for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere... it is the time when site updates happen and I decided to start a feed!  :P
  </description>
</item>



I also don't understand why you're affraid of losing visitors because of a feed? Several studies and real world examples show that a feed actually acts the other way around. It generates more traffic, attracts more visitors. I could do a search for you but not today, I'm about to fall asleep any second.  
People would still visit you website to catch up on the forums and/or read the new essays, reviews etc. It would act the same way as the "what's new" page does. If you don't care, you don't read it. If you do, you click on the link.


Enough for now but I'll be happy to answer any other questions.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: Jay Kaplan on November 20, 2005, 06:46:58 pm
I use Outlook Express v6x. Does it have an RSS feed, and if not what do I do?
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: jani on November 20, 2005, 07:31:38 pm
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I use Outlook Express v6x. Does it have an RSS feed, and if not what do I do?
It most likely doesn't. That product comes from the end of the last century, before RSS became popular among geeks.

And I'm not saying that just to be mean; Outlook Express is that old, feature-wise.

If you aren't forced into using Outlook Express by your employer, but are allowed to use alternate software, my recommendation is to download one of several free alternate programs on the net; they can import your address book, your messages, etc. and let you move on.

But if you have to keep on using Outlook Express, then you probably just have to Google for "rss-reader" (and find products like RssReader[/i], and if you're on a Mac, check out [url=http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/]NetNewsWire[/i]. (http://www.rssreader.com/)
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: usrbingeek on November 20, 2005, 11:54:55 pm
There are also several free web based RSS readers such as Bloglines.com. Very convenient if you want to keep up at your feeds at work and home or on different computers.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: DarkPenguin on November 21, 2005, 10:25:17 am
I think you should do it.  With ads.
Title: RSS Feed
Post by: 61Dynamic on November 24, 2005, 04:24:00 pm
Ah, yes, the old RSS topic is back!

I too am a big fan of RSS and implementing it would take no more than two hours from installing the RSS software to integrating it to the sites design (I know because I did it once before the last time tis topic emerged).

The simplest that I know of is Wordpress (http://wordpress.com/) which take no HTML knowledge to install (just to design) and can be up and running in literally a few minutes.

Michael, the ease of posting to the LL with WP would be well, easy. Especially is you pick up MarsEdit (http://ranchero.com/marsedit/) to help out. I personally use it for a couple of websites and it makes the whole ordeal easier than it already was.


The whole point in RSS is not to post a lot or tell stories of your cute kitty pooping on your grass. Nor is it only used for personal journals. you can find RSS everywhere used in advertisement, news, forums and more. It is a means to make content easy for the reader to obtain and follow.

An example, in a ten minute period I could check out the newest bits from a few website such as DPReview, Rob Galbriath, and PhotographyBLOG. Using RSS however, in half the time it would take to see if anything interesting has been posted by visiting each site, I can check 70 sites in NetNewsWire (http://ranchero.com/netnewswire/).

Naturally, I don't have to read everything. I just read what I want to (That may seem a bit obvious but you'd be amazed how many people argue against RSS for that reason). It is extremely convenient allowing me to visit the sites only when they have something new going on.

If you don't want to pay the costs of the bandwidth for RSS, which could be considerable for a site like this, then just out-source the feed to FeedBurner (http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/home). They'll suck up a vast majority of the bandwidth for free and offer basic stats. The payed for service gives more detailed stats.


RSS Forums: I don't know how to do this specifically but I know it can be done. Back when RSS was kicking off, LockerGnome (http://help.lockergnome.com/) added RSS to their Invision board and was even selling the ability as a plug-in for $50. I don't know if they re still selling it or not but they'd be a place to start for RSS forums if you wanted to go that rout...