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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Capture One Q&A => Topic started by: David Grover / Capture One on September 16, 2014, 04:42:06 am
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Dear LL,
I will keep this short but we have just announced Capture One Pro 8...
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One.aspx
There are plenty of great features to make this a must have upgrade, including Catalog enhancements, Performance Enhancements, Local Adjustments enhancements (yes you can do local WB, HDR and more!).
There are now more buying choices too. You can buy a complete licence as you always have done with Capture One Pro 7, or also choose to subscribe.
I will leave you to browse the website with all the information.
If you want to fast track to get the 60 day trial you can download here...
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Downloads/Materials/Download-Capture-One-8.aspx
You will also like the new design and interface, I am sure. ;)
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Great news! downloading the trial version right now ;D
One quick question: I haven't seen any mention to OpenCL in the web, assuming it has been improved at least a little bit, is it supporting dual GPUs (macbook pro and mac pro mainly)?
Any date expected for the certification program? I was waiting for the one on V7 but maybe waiting a couple months gets me V8. :)
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I'd love to upgrade David, but your website on my Firefox browser seems to be a bit askew and I can't see how to log on. If I click "log on to see your licenses" or "my pages" button nothing happens.
Ian
Edit. Just tried your site on Chrome and that seems to be fine. Problem is, it's on a different machine.
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First impression is great, cool design and in a very informal test is quicker than previous version: from 33 sec to 19 in rendering previews and from 48,5 sec exporting to 38 in my very informal testing at home ;D
PS: Be sure t activate OpenCL, it was off in my computer at first.
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I've just tried to use IE which is on my PC, and although I can log on, purchasing the upgrade seems to be a problem. Is it just me?
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Dave,
I gave it a try this morning to check out this new Capture One 8, however nothing seems to be working on your site.
Clicked on buy now and also upgrade but nothing is working. I do have Capture One 7 and was looking to upgrade.
Guess I will have to give it a try later when the site is working.
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Great news! downloading the trial version right now ;D
One quick question: I haven't seen any mention to OpenCL in the web, assuming it has been improved at least a little bit, is it supporting dual GPUs (macbook pro and mac pro mainly)?
Any date expected for the certification program? I was waiting for the one on V7 but maybe waiting a couple months gets me V8. :)
Yes - lots of additions to OpenCL. If you are lucky enough to have a dual D700 MacPro the speed is ridiculous!
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Dave,
I gave it a try this morning to check out this new Capture One 8, however nothing seems to be working on your site.
Clicked on buy now and also upgrade but nothing is working. I do have Capture One 7 and was looking to upgrade.
Guess I will have to give it a try later when the site is working.
Hey Stuart,
It is a brand new website so thanks for your feedback.
We will work hard to look into it.
First of all, try clearing your browser cache if you have visited Phaseone.com before.
David
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Ah, that's solved it for me! Thanks.
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Yes - lots of additions to OpenCL. If you are lucky enough to have a dual D700 MacPro the speed is ridiculous!
Yes, it is! Very very fast indeed.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Ah, that's solved it for me! Thanks.
Great! Can I ask what version of Firefox you were trying and what OS?
David
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Yes, it is! Very very fast indeed.
Cheers,
Bernard
Any chances of a small informal benchmark? I'm eyeing a macpro in the near future... ::) ::)
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David - the one video I was particularly interested in watching (Repairing and Spotting Images) currently loads an Albert Watson vid. Just an fyi.
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David - the one video I was particularly interested in watching (Repairing and Spotting Images) currently loads an Albert Watson vid. Just an fyi.
Hmmm!
Here is the Youtube link...
http://youtu.be/uR6P_qQYfEo?list=PLDMRz3ssFQH6eHHX5Pw2Lf0DO8UB5siyH
And the whole Playlist.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDMRz3ssFQH6eHHX5Pw2Lf0DO8UB5siyH
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Hey Stuart,
It is a brand new website so thanks for your feedback.
We will work hard to look into it.
First of all, try clearing your browser cache if you have visited Phaseone.com before.
David
Hi David,
Just wanted to let you know I just tried again and site was working. In fact I was able to purchase the upgrade from 7 to 8 with no issues.
Upgrade went very smooth after downloading upgrade version 8.
I am currently running on a MacBook Pro Retina 15" (June 2012) with 16GB Ram with 512GB Flash Drive along with 1GB video ram.
Images are stored on a Drobo 5D via Thunderbolt.
Overall performance with version 8 seems to be much improved.
So fare I am happy with the upgrade to version 8.
Stu
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Hmmm!
Here is the Youtube link...
http://youtu.be/uR6P_qQYfEo?list=PLDMRz3ssFQH6eHHX5Pw2Lf0DO8UB5siyH
And the whole Playlist.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDMRz3ssFQH6eHHX5Pw2Lf0DO8UB5siyH
Thanks for the link, David. That one works.
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Hi David,
Just wanted to let you know I just tried again and site was working. In fact I was able to purchase the upgrade from 7 to 8 with no issues.
Upgrade went very smooth after downloading upgrade version 8.
I am currently running on a MacBook Pro Retina 15" (June 2012) with 16GB Ram with 512GB Flash Drive along with 1GB video ram.
Images are stored on a Drobo 5D via Thunderbolt.
Overall performance with version 8 seems to be much improved.
So fare I am happy with the upgrade to version 8.
Stu
Nice to know Stuart! :)
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Ok - thats good! We will fix the website.
D
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quick question - I left C1 upon release of v7 and didn't follow much... in v8 for Sony raws (A7* cameras for example) does P1 apply optics correction parameters written by Sony in .ARW raw files if you select "Profile : Manufacturer Profile" (it certainly seems so - but just in case it never hurts to ask people who might actually know)
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quick question - I left C1 upon release of v7 and didn't follow much... in v8 for Sony raws (A7* cameras for example) does P1 apply optics correction parameters written by Sony in .ARW raw files if you select "Profile : Manufacturer Profile" (it certainly seems so - but just in case it never hurts to ask people who might actually know)
You are correct. We can read the data provided by Sony.
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another question, Adobe, despite being quite Knoll-stubborn, finally yielded and provided color readouts in ACR (I am not using LR) in Lab mode (albeit rounded to integer numbers)... any chance P1 can be a good citizen and provide readouts in a proper spaces like HSV/HSB, HSL or at least Lab ?
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Great! Can I ask what version of Firefox you were trying and what OS?
Yes it's v32.0.1, running on Win 7 64-bit Pro, SP1 (and I have to admit, I've been tardy doing any service updates!)
Ian
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Yes it's v32.0.1, running on Win 7 64-bit Pro, SP1 (and I have to admit, I've been tardy doing any service updates!)
Ian
I suggest to allow cookies from P1 website for a session, allow popups from P1 and allow jscripts temporarily from P1 website... that shall help.
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I see that there is a need to upgrade the engine from 7 to 8 with each image. I presume that this is because the settings are not exactly transferable between engines?
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David - any chance of support for Pentax 645Z in the near future? Was hoping for this release....
Thanks
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David, for some reason Leica and Olympus do not appear any more among the supported cameras.
As far as I can see I do not have any problem processing and reprocessing with the new engine the files from my Leica M, Monochrom and OMD.
Is there an omission in the CO document?
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David, for some reason Leica and Olympus do not appear any more among the supported cameras.
As far as I can see I do not have any problem processing and reprocessing with the new engine the files from my Leica M, Monochrom and OMD.
Is there an omission in the CO document?
Its just a mistake in the documentation.
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David - any chance of support for Pentax 645Z in the near future? Was hoping for this release....
Thanks
Hi Phil,
We have had little to no demand for support of that camera. Easiest way to add your vote is to make a support case for us to support it.
David
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We have had little to no demand for support of that camera
C'mon David,
Really? Or could that have something to do with the lack of support for its predecessor, the 645D? I know several photographers (former Capture One users) that were forced to go to Lightroom for the processing of those files. I assume there is a potentially huge demand in Japan, and significant demand in e.g. Europe, for those who want to listen.
I think Phase One could make much more money selling licenses to people who would never be able to afford a Phase One back, than to frustrate the users of a somewhat 'competing' product.
Cheers,
Bart
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I assume there is a potentially huge demand in Japan
that will be a native SilkyPix !
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Hi David, all, I think the new C1 really rocks, I've tried and compared to the previous one, it's way faster and more responsive. I come from Aperture and Lightroon never grew into me, doesn't make sense to me, also the colour rendition was never something that made me say Wow, however with C1 it happens all the time.
Hopefully they will continue development the DAM capabilities and most of all, the keywords are right now, not at the same level as Aperture.
Hope you also enjoy it. Congrats Phase One team.
Regards from Switzerland
Daniel
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David - any chance of support for Pentax 645Z in the near future? Was hoping for this release....
Thanks
I don't think you will see it anytime soon, but bigger surprises have happened. However it's pretty clear that the support would not be all that hard. Torger has seen all the raw files from all 3 50MP (Phase, Hasselblad, Pentax) and as I understand it, you can convert the raw from the 645z to emulate the IQ250, then open it in C1. It's also too bad C1 has not offered tethering support as their tethering is excellent.
Paul
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Well I would switch to C1 if it supported the 645Z. At the moment I have to do with Lightroom.
Interested in being able to "fool" C1 into treating the 645Z files as an IQ250 - any drawbacks with this?
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In reality, no.
Paul
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Why didn't you announce at the same time that you are abandoning all the C1 7 Express users.
C1 7 Express version 7.2.3 that I just paid for, will not even work on my computer (admitted known problem by support),
and I'm guessing there will not be a version 7.2.4 at this point.
Sam
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I only bought version 7 a few weeks ago. I should have waited a while :(
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I only bought version 7 a few weeks ago. I should have waited a while :(
"...For customers who have purchased Capture One Pro 7 since August 16, 2014, Phase One is offering a grace period, exempting them from the upgrade fee...." - 1 month grace period ? could be a more gentle roll off... say 1 to 2 month @ 25% of a regular upgrade price, 2 to 3 month @ 50%, 3 to 4 month @ 75%....
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I got it at the end of June (27th to be precise). Had I known an upgrade was coming, I'd have waited.
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and I'm guessing there will not be a version 7.2.4 at this point.
I think 7.2.4 beta was available
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Is the opacity of brush supposed to make a difference in clone/heal?
Seems like changing the opacity of brush does not make a difference.
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$299 seems a little bit much! Compered to lightroom at $9.90 a month your going to have a tough time. Capture one is a very good program, but most of the time it crashes and takes massive amounts of time to recover. Should have keep it at $199.00
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$299 seems a little bit much! Compered to lightroom at $9.90 a month your going to have a tough time. Capture one is a very good program, but most of the time it crashes and takes massive amounts of time to recover. Should have keep it at $199.00
Quality is the answer, version 9 is pretty stable and fast
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Looks to be a great upgrade so far. I have not explored all the new features but there are two immediate advantages that justify the cost of the new version:
1. Capture One Pro 8 is seriously fast on a 2013 Mac Pro with D700s GPUs. There is a very noticeable speed increase over v7 on a test 30K image referenced catalog mainly of Nikon D800 RAW files.
2. The catalog can now see all my processed TIFFs (photoshop, exported for print etc.) making Capture One finally useable for asset management with my workflow. This was a previous complaint of mine and I am glad they have addressed it.
There must be some bugs, but so far the software is completely stable.
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Why didn't you announce at the same time that you are abandoning all the C1 7 Express users.
C1 7 Express version 7.2.3 that I just paid for, will not even work on my computer (admitted known problem by support),
and I'm guessing there will not be a version 7.2.4 at this point.
Sam
Hi Sam,
Actually you have not been left behind at all. If you check the pricing for upgrades you are going to be paying the same as a previous pro customer. So you have a killer deal.
If you don't want the additional features in Pro... just turn 'em off!
D
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$299 seems a little bit much! Compered to lightroom at $9.90 a month your going to have a tough time. Capture one is a very good program, but most of the time it crashes and takes massive amounts of time to recover. Should have keep it at $199.00
Then you could subscribe for 8 Euros a month which actually gives you two licences.
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It good that Phase One has this offering for new users and still offers the 99.00 upgrade cost for users who have been in the fold for years (3.x for me ).
I hope the phase subscription works like Adobe in that you can download the win or MAC version and install unlimited times ( beyond 2 machines). But you can only get to have 2 machines active at any time.
So far the Adobe system has worked well in that regard.
Paul
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Does this support lossy DNG raw files?
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Does this support lossy DNG raw files?
which camera has an option to write lossy DNG as a native raw format ?
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I must apologize for my overreaction about pricing in capture one. Capture one upgrade process is to say the least a little confusing so when I was trying to use the new version it told me I had to pay $299 for an upgrade. I spoke to tech support who clarified the subject and like you guys said it's $99 for the upgrade which is totally acceptable for a product as good as capture one. I installed it on my travel laptop without any problems with no crashes. This is definitely an improvement and I can't wait to try it with my D 800e and my Sony A7R. Thanks you all for settling me down.
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which camera has an option to write lossy DNG as a native raw format ?
Leica M8 and M9 for instance.
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Leica M8 and M9 for instance.
and do they write _lossy_ (not compressed vs uncompressed - but lossy vs lossless) DNG ?
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What about importing video files off a DSLR card into the catalogue? I can import the stills, but the not the video, after import my stills are there but there's only a blank placeholder for a video file with no actual video or poster frame!
Please advise if I'm missing something here!!!!
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. Torger has seen all the raw files from all 3 50MP (Phase, Hasselblad, Pentax) and as I understand it, you can convert the raw from the 645z to emulate the IQ250, then open it in C1.
Can someone tell me how to do this?
Thanks
Phil
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We have had little to no demand for support of that camera. Easiest way to add your vote is to make a support case for us to support it.
Ooh, that not going to entice people into to committing to your software, if you may not be able to use it with any future camera purchases. :(
If using LR/PS, you don't have to ask Adobe to add support for new cameras as they try and add all cameras as quickly as they can do.
I also seem to vaguely recall that C1 doesn't recognise all DNG files, is that (still) true?
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I also seem to vaguely recall that C1 doesn't recognise all DNG files, is that (still) true?
C1 supports DNG when it is a sole raw format written by a camera's firmware, like Leica or Ricoh...
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C1 supports DNG when it is a sole raw format written by a camera's firmware, like Leica or Ricoh...
So does that mean yes to my question? That C1 still doesn't support DNG properly
Bearing in mind one of the main purposes of DNG is to standardise things. So for example, that files can be read without having to pointlessly update software for each new camera model. The only difference often being just the new model name in the raw file.
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So does that mean yes to my question? That C1 still doesn't support DNG properly
Bearing in mind one of the main purposes of DNG is to standardise things. So for example, that files can be read without having to pointlessly update software for each new camera model. The only difference often being just the new model name in the raw file.
Well thats the grand DNG debate. If the purpose of DNG was to standardise things, then that would require the manufacturers to adopt it across the board... which they haven't.
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So does that mean yes to my question? That C1 still doesn't support DNG properly
C1 does not support DNG standard - it supports working with certain raw files as written by camera's firmware (like DxO does) from/as listed models, where DNG (like Pentax models with PEF/DNG) is only an option it does not support it (may or may not work to your liking, most probably won't)
So for example, that files can be read without having to pointlessly update software for each new camera model.
I will address a very narrow item in a broad DNG discussion - P1 needs to create their own camera profiles and a lot of people use C1 specifically for their colors hence DNG does not address this problem at all.
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Well thats the grand DNG debate. If the purpose of DNG was to standardise things, then that would require the manufacturers to adopt it across the board... which they haven't.
Different issue altogether. I'm talking about C1 not recognising some DNG files that do exist which are a standard, which seems absurd. Not entirely impressed by the unprofessional we'll add support if you ask nicely attitude. Particularly if there are unsupported cameras, despite the fact that they output DNG.
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Different issue altogether. I'm talking about C1 not recognising some DNG files that do exist which are a standard, which seems absurd.
there are many absurd things around... one of them is to convert original raw files as written by a camera to DNG /baiting/
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Different issue altogether. I'm talking about C1 not recognising some DNG files that do exist which are a standard, which seems absurd. Not entirely impressed by the unprofessional we'll add support if you ask nicely attitude. Particularly if there are unsupported cameras, despite the fact that they output DNG.
Because in Capture One we prefer to support by camera not by file type. For optimisation reasons.
Which camera are you using that captures DNG natively?
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Currently only my pocket Ricoh which although is not the best quality [it's a few years old now], it has produced some of my favourite photos. I hope the RX100 III when one turns up produces as many good pics.
But I am curious about the new Pentax which I is DNG [IIRC]. Don't need MFDSLR often enough to warrant a Phase/Hassy. Though have used both kit in past and simply hired them out for job in question.
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I have been a Capture One Pro and Phase One user for many years and now, only to find out, because I have Mac OS 10.7.4 I can't upgrade to v. 8. My Mac Pro was top of the line in 2007 and since them I've upgraded to larger hard drives, lots more RAM, etc. but can't go any higher than OS 10.7.4. Any way at all, to get C1 8 to run on this machine? Otherwise my Mac Pro is in incredible running condition. Also I'm having to edit my Nikon D810 RAW files in Lighroom and would much rather use C1. Eleanor
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Dumb question showing my lack of tech savvy, but I have D700 MacPro--I've read other comments here about turning it off due to crashing which I guess is no longer a problem? I never did anything to "turn my on" open CL --is the default off or on? How can I check? :) Thanks
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Dumb question showing my lack of tech savvy, but I have D700 MacPro--I've read other comments here about turning it off due to crashing which I guess is no longer a problem? I never did anything to "turn my on" open CL --is the default off or on? How can I check? :) Thanks
Go to Preferences/General and there you can select for OpenCL either never or auto, both for Display and Processing.
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I have been a Capture One Pro and Phase One user for many years and now, only to find out, because I have Mac OS 10.7.4 I can't upgrade to v. 8. My Mac Pro was top of the line in 2007 and since them I've upgraded to larger hard drives, lots more RAM, etc. but can't go any higher than OS 10.7.4. Any way at all, to get C1 8 to run on this machine? Otherwise my Mac Pro is in incredible running condition. Also I'm having to edit my Nikon D810 RAW files in Lighroom and would much rather use C1. Eleanor
10.9 is required. If you want to ease into it you can always install 10.9 on a separate partition or drive.
From a customer support point of view OS support is very tricky. Preferably you want to meet a customer where they are (ie not force them to make a change to the computer to use your stuff). On the other hand one of the largest challenges in v7 was they chose to support all the way back to 10.6, which caused nothing but headaches and significantly reduced their ability to optimize the speed and stability of the software.
With 10.10 being released soon, and with the cost of 10.9 being free, I think it's reasonable for them to require it.
Maybe you could borrow a friend/family computer with 10.9 and try v8 for a short bit; the improvements to speed, especially when working with large volumes of folders, is evident immediately. Or stop by our Photo Plus booth in NYC next month and play with it there.
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Thanks Ario.
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I convert some ARW files to DNG, for space and workflow reasons I convert "some" types of work files to lossy DNG I was never a huge DNG fan but I really don't need 24mb of files on the pc for some shots it just takes up tons of space for no obvious gain, hence lossy DNG has had huge files size savings for me.
Not to get into the debate but if C1 doesn't support it I can't use the product as far as I'm aware dcraw supports it.
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Thanks Doug. Actually I've been getting to know v.8 on my MacBook Air. While I certainly can't do serious work on this laptop I like what I see in this new version. I have a question..Maybe it's my imagination or just wishful thinking but I'm seeing a major change in HDR sliders...especially the shadow slider. My Air doesn't have the most accurate display but I like what I'm seeing. I was never happy with the precious HDR v 7 controls ...so much so that if I needed major adjustments on a file I would go to lightrioom. Has the HDR been updated and changed in C18? Thanks, Eleanor
10.9 is required. If you want to ease into it you can always install 10.9 on a separate partition or drive.
From a customer support point of view OS support is very tricky. Preferably you want to meet a customer where they are (ie not force them to make a change to the computer to use your stuff). On the other hand one of the largest challenges in v7 was they chose to support all the way back to 10.6, which caused nothing but headaches and significantly reduced their ability to optimize the speed and stability of the software.
With 10.10 being released soon, and with the cost of 10.9 being free, I think it's reasonable for them to require it.
Maybe you could borrow a friend/family computer with 10.9 and try v8 for a short bit; the improvements to speed, especially when working with large volumes of folders, is evident immediately. Or stop by our Photo Plus booth in NYC next month and play with it there.
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Has the HDR been updated and changed in C18?
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One.aspx
"...The improved HDR tool..."
PS: P1 website is great example of a mess when nobody can actually find a simple page with clear explanations... instead you are being fed a lot of visually distractive images, fonts, colors... stupid
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I would like more specifics about "improved"... What does than mean just out of curiosity? I noticed a difference Immediately but I thought the previous HDR tool was shall I say less than ideal.....Now I'm really liking what I see on my Macbook air. Eleanor
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One.aspx
"...The improved HDR tool..."
PS: P1 website is great example of a mess when nobody can actually find a simple page with clear explanations... instead you are being fed a lot of visually distractive images, fonts, colors... stupid
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I would like more specifics about "improved"...
:-)
well, instead somebody in P1 decided that it is better to display us the following informative picture ... apparently it brings a lot of sense to their website visitors
(http://www.phaseone.com/~/media/Phase%20One/2-Image-Software/Capture-One/CO-8/CO8-Overview/Hero-shot-Kamil-Tamiola-769x469px-2.ashx)
w/ that amount of information about what and how it is improved you probably better served with Iridient style of presenting the information... at least no hassle - see
http://www.iridientdigital.com/products/rawdeveloper_history.html
I think you need to wait until somebody @ blog.phaseone.com will chime in, if you want more technicalities
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Killer features of Capture One Pro 8 for me:
- No need for Catalogs!
- Variants
- Multiple focus windows for image review or tethered shooting
You can take a look at http://vigorotaku.blogspot.com/2014/09/capture-one-pro-8.html.
<a href="http://vigorotaku.blogspot.com/2014/09/capture-one-pro-8.html">Capture One Pro 8 at Vigorotaku.com</a>
I hope that you find this helpful.
Dan at Vigorotaku.com
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This sucks that I bought my licence back in July for version 7 ... upgrade to 8 for 100 bucks, no thanks.
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I will have to look into Catalogs in V.8. I have not been happy at all with Catalogs in V.7. I love file management in Lightroom...so intuitive and easy and the synchronize feature is unbeatable. This is why I've used C1 only for all my RAW processing and Lightroom for everything else...file management, printing, etc etc. Eleanor
Killer features of Capture One Pro 8 for me:
- No need for Catalogs!
- Variants
- Multiple focus windows for image review or tethered shooting
You can take a look at http://vigorotaku.blogspot.com/2014/09/capture-one-pro-8.html.
<a href="http://vigorotaku.blogspot.com/2014/09/capture-one-pro-8.html">Capture One Pro 8 at Vigorotaku.com</a>
I hope that you find this helpful.
Dan at Vigorotaku.com
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I will have to look into Catalogs in V.8. I have not been happy at all with Catalogs in V.7.
you can use sessions... or rather one session... I have just one "dummy" session, I start C1 with it as a parameter and then I just bring raw files in C1 to edit from where I need by starting C1 with the raw file name as a parameter... the decision by P1 to play "Adobe" and create a captive audience (like LR) by removing ACR-like ability of C1 just to work with one arbitrary raw file, that is being invoked by external program (w/o any sessions or catalogs at all) is understandable marketing wise, but does not add any warm feelings towards P1
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On my Mac, clicking the adjustment brush selector to move from gradient to brush or to enable/disable mask is whacked ... not sure what’s going on but it appears there is only about 5 pixels that can be clicked on ... and that seems to move each time you click. Takes about 20 clicks sometime to get the little menu to pop up.
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I was so very impressed with the improvements in C7 that wanting to move to C8 was obvious for me. And that mean't updating my OSX to 10.9.4, something I was very reluctant to do. I fully go by the idea of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and everything was working very well for me. And that rule goes double for an OS!
But I did the OS upgrade on my Mac Pro and my MacBook Pro. Everything went perfect. And now I am running C8. So far, so good. It looks a little different but I will figure it out and get up to speed. Hands down, in my opinion, produces the best images from RAW files of any program out there.
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I agree, Capture One has superior RAW processing over any other application. As I mentioned earlier I have not been pleased with the HDR feature and the Catalog system was challenging. I like to be able to rearrange files and or delete in Lightroom (I use for organization of files, folders, and printing..) and be able or synchronize in Capture One....I haven't found an easy way to do this. If I delete or rearrange files in C1 I can easily synchronize those changes in Lightroom. I am currently using Capture One V. 8 on my Macbook Air and I am so impressed!! I see (unless it's just my wishful thinking) amazing improvements in the HDR processing in v. 8! I have ordered a new Mac Pro 6 core Flash drive computer so I can upgrade to C1 8! Eleanor
I was so very impressed with the improvements in C7 that wanting to move to C8 was obvious for me. And that mean't updating my OSX to 10.9.4, something I was very reluctant to do. I fully go by the idea of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and everything was working very well for me. And that rule goes double for an OS!
But I did the OS upgrade on my Mac Pro and my MacBook Pro. Everything went perfect. And now I am running C8. So far, so good. It looks a little different but I will figure it out and get up to speed. Hands down, in my opinion, produces the best images from RAW files of any program out there.
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you can use sessions... or rather one session... I have just one "dummy" session, I start C1 with it as a parameter and then I just bring raw files in C1 to edit from where I need by starting C1 with the raw file name as a parameter... ..
How do you do this?
I have been trying to do this using Media Pro, where it would open a file in a "not in catalog set" within session albums; which works well in CO7.
I have randomly been able able to drag a photo over from MP into a "not in catalog set" folder, but I can't do it consistently, nor can I create this within the sessions tab on a consistent basis. It seems random.
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How do you do this?
start once C1 with some dummy session as a command line parameter (.cosessiondb file) - I create such session once on my PC.
then from some image browser (I use XnView) just start C1 with raw file passed as a command line parameter each time you want to work with that raw file
ideally of course C1 shall allow to use 2 command line parameters - a raw file and a session, if they so insist on torture those users /who do not wish that functionality/ with catalogs & sessions, but alas.
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Is there anything one needs to do to bring the catalogs from 7 into 8?
Also, has keywording been made an easier process?
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Launching a CO7 catalog from CO8, the same will be updated automatically (the update is unduable, so better to make a copy).
Keywording is substantially better than before, even if not as easy to use as in Lr or in Aperture.
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I just read the file browser (that we had in version 6, I think).
So you don't need catalogs - and c1 8 ,will it put a file into each folder where the adjustment settings are stored?
Has anybody looked at the catalogs of v8 - have they become better?
Question about imports: in c1 7 you couldn't really choose the folder and images names, but were bound by templates (Which is why I imported with Canon's software onto the computer, where I could name folders and images as I wanted, and later imported photos from disc into C18). Can you now freely choose folder and image names (I like descriptive names that tell me exactly what's in the folder)
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The catalog mode is an addition, starting from CO7, the session/browsing mode which was available before is still available.
If you wish to import from a card using CO you can do, and during import you can create the folders you desire in any drive of your system and name them according to your needs.
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Any chances of a small informal benchmark? I'm eyeing a macpro in the near future... ::) ::)
Just did a quick test.
It exported 21 D810 raws with various adjustments in 37 sec to a fast TB2.0 Raid 6 array.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I just read the file browser (that we had in version 6, I think).
So you don't need catalogs - and c1 8 ,will it put a file into each folder where the adjustment settings are stored?
Has anybody looked at the catalogs of v8 - have they become better?
Question about imports: in c1 7 you couldn't really choose the folder and images names, but were bound by templates (Which is why I imported with Canon's software onto the computer, where I could name folders and images as I wanted, and later imported photos from disc into C18). Can you now freely choose folder and image names (I like descriptive names that tell me exactly what's in the folder)
As I have explained many times to you before, the File Browser has always been present in version 7, exactly as it was in version 6. Nothing changed.
The Session structure didn't bind you to any template at all and was completely flexible, in terms of organisation and naming of folders.
The same goes for Version 8.
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I would like more specifics about "improved"... What does than mean just out of curiosity? I noticed a difference Immediately but I thought the previous HDR tool was shall I say less than ideal.....Now I'm really liking what I see on my Macbook air. Eleanor
Well, an HDR tool only performs 2 tasks. Recovers highlights and brightens shadows. In version 8, the separation of the highlights and shadows is much better (i.e recovering highlights doesn't affect mid tone) and you can push the slider more before the image looks over cooked.
The easiest way to see an improvement is try it.
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I will have to look into Catalogs in V.8. I have not been happy at all with Catalogs in V.7. I love file management in Lightroom...so intuitive and easy and the synchronize feature is unbeatable. This is why I've used C1 only for all my RAW processing and Lightroom for everything else...file management, printing, etc etc. Eleanor
Synchronisation of folders is in Capture One Pro 8.
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Yes I have been using it almost constantly on my MacBook Air ...I see the change now...mid tones for the most part are left out of the adjustments and makes a HUGE difference... I can get fabulous looking clouds now and natural shadows... This alone is worth the cost of upgrade! Now if i could get apple to stop shipping iphones for a moment and get my mac pro 6 core shipped on time i can use v.8 on a calibrated screen. Eleanor
Well, an HDR tool only performs 2 tasks. Recovers highlights and brightens shadows. In version 8, the separation of the highlights and shadows is much better (i.e recovering highlights doesn't affect mid tone) and you can push the slider more before the image looks over cooked.
The easiest way to see an improvement is try it.
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I noticed that the 10-layer limit is still there. This makes the clone layers limited in use.
With CO-7 I reached the 10-layer limit from time to time, but then I did no cloning inside CO.
It would be nice if the limit was higher, 10 is limiting things.
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anyone having problems with the online store? I’m in a continuous loop of trying to buy an upgrade, I’m logged in but when i try to continue with purchase it just tells me that “your order has already been processed, please check your order history”
i do this and it shows the upgrade with a checkout button which if clicked just takes me back to the beginning again..?
mavericks/safari all up to date. ???
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No problem with the update store here last night.
The only complication was needing to add my VAT number to my account prior to ordering the upgrade.
It was really nice to see such a generous upgrade policy from older versions too. Going from 1 LE to Pro 8 for less than fifty quid seems quite a bargain by other companies standards :-)
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anyone having problems with the online store? I’m in a continuous loop of trying to buy an upgrade, I’m logged in but when i try to continue with purchase it just tells me that “your order has already been processed, please check your order history”
i do this and it shows the upgrade with a checkout button which if clicked just takes me back to the beginning again..?
mavericks/safari all up to date. ???
Hi Mr Smith,
Drop a note to support, then they will be able to look at your account and check.
David
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All sorted. the ‘turn it off and on again’ method of quitting and relaunching worked.
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I noticed that the 10-layer limit is still there. This makes the clone layers limited in use.
With CO-7 I reached the 10-layer limit from time to time, but then I did no cloning inside CO.
It would be nice if the limit was higher, 10 is limiting things.
It would nice to see an increase in the total number of adjustment layers from 10. Especially with all the increases in capabilities that are now in local adjustments.
Paul
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It would nice to see an increase in the total number of adjustment layers from 10.
Maybe time for a Pro 9 wish list then ;-)
If it's anything like the threads that have been created for Lightroom, it could become instructive. People ask "I'd like it to do xxxx" then someone says "But it can, just click xxxx...." followed by a few others saying "well I never knew about that"
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Many seem not to realize the full potential of the local adjustments with in Capture One. With what has been added in Vr8, the tool set is amazing, and gives you the ability to really fine tune an image or series of images.
Paul
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Many seem not to realize the full potential of the local adjustments with in Capture One. With what has been added in Vr8, the tool set is amazing, and gives you the ability to really fine tune an image or series of images.
Paul
Indeed, and the local HDR is very nice. Although a curve inside local adjustments would be even better. Or even just a few exposure sliders that are weighted at a different value (1/4,1/2,3/4).
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Many seem not to realize the full potential of the local adjustments with in Capture One.
I wish the way it was done in LightZone...
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played around with the v08 trial last night:
The improved HDR tools are worth the upgrade alone :) In previous versions shadow/highlight recovery was fairly limited by affecting the midtones too much.
The new clone option is great too. Makes life much easier that you can still adjust the raw-file after doing some cloning.
Also really happy with the new local adjustment options of whitebalance, HDR and Noise Reduction.
I could only use Luminance Noise Reduction locally though. The Color Noise slider was greyed out. Anyone else had this?
cheers,
Tilman
P.S.: the bigger sliders are a nice change too. It's small things like that that can really add up to a better usability.
Oh, and I second the feature request for a local "Curves" adjustment :)
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Although a curve inside local adjustments would be even better.
YES! THIS! Can't believe that wouldn't be included. A real headscratcher.
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I already updated to v8, I guess I am going to like it!
is there any word if it uses the dual graphic card of the MP13 and if there is an important difference whether the card is a d300, d500 or a d700? Thanks
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I already updated to v8, I guess I am going to like it!
is there any word if it uses the dual graphic card of the MP13 and if there is an important difference whether the card is a d300, d500 or a d700? Thanks
for C1v7 it was (and C1v8 can't be worse, can it ) :
OpenCL hardware support (as of June 17, 2014)
This is an overview of the supported GPU hardware for Capture One.
Updated list of supported cards
Nvidia:
Tesla series
Quadro 4000, 5000, 6000 series
GTX Titan series
GTX, GTXM 700 series
GTX, GTXM 600 series
GTX 500 series
GTX 200 series
AMD:
Dual AMD FirePro D300 (Mac Pro)
Dual AMD FirePro D500 (Mac Pro)
Dual AMD FirePro D700 (Mac Pro)
Radeon R100 (7xxx) Series
Radeon R200 (8xxx, 9xxx) Series
Radeon R300 Series
Radeon R400 Series
Radeon R500 (X1xxx) Series
Radeon R600 (HD 2xxx, HD 3xxx) Series
HD9000 series
HD8000 series,
HD7000 series,
HD6000 series,
HD7000M series,
HD6000M series
Recommended for best performance:
NVIDIA: GTX TITAN Z, Geforce GTX780Ti
AMD: Dual D700, HD7950
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Is there any print soft proof in Capture One 8 similiar to Lightroom where one can make changes on the proof on screen on the chosen printing paper before printing? I haven't found anything like this so far though I really enjoying working with version 8.
Eleanor
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You can set a Printer+Paper profile in the View>Proof profile menu BUT is better to keep there Selected Recipe option and choose Profile in particular Process Recipe. In this way you can quickly review colours and gamma simply buy swithcing between Recipes.
Also inside Print dialog you can choose any profile you have installed.
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Yesterday, I spent the day with the good folks of Capture Integration in Silver Spring, Maryland. They are touring their Capture One 8 "Serious Technical Training" program/workshop.
It is a excellent workshop - a bit head-spinning with lots of details, great information and hidden tricks for the newest version. It was well worth my time and the minimal cost.
They're headed to New England next and then on to Chicago.
My former assistant is a photographer in Pittsburgh and he flew in with his assistant to take the workshop. I met a couple of people that drove five hours to get there.
https://captureintegration.com/serious-technical-training-2014/
I am a many year customer of CI and have always been pleased with their pricing and support.
If you use C1 - this is a very good program. I learned quite a few tips and tricks.
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Thanks for the info. What I need is a a screen view of the output soft proof where I can make develop changes before printing. It is impossible for me to make the necessary changes...saturation, curves, etc etc on the non soft proofed image. If I can't do this in C1 I will have to output a 16 bit tif to Lightroom and soft proof and print from there. Eleanor
You can set a Printer+Paper profile in the View>Proof profile menu BUT is better to keep there Selected Recipe option and choose Profile in particular Process Recipe. In this way you can quickly review colours and gamma simply buy swithcing between Recipes.
Also inside Print dialog you can choose any profile you have installed.
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Thanks for the info. What I need is a a screen view of the output soft proof where I can make develop changes before printing. It is impossible for me to make the necessary changes...saturation, curves, etc etc on the non soft proofed image. If I can't do this in C1 I will have to output a 16 bit tif to Lightroom and soft proof and print from there. Eleanor
Follow QWZ's advice. You won't need to output a 16bit tiff. Just make a process recipe with your print profile or go to View>Proof Profile and select it there..
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OK I am confused. Yes I have gone to view print profile and either click on a process recipe OR just select my printer/paper profile...say Harman Gloss Bright or Warm White gloss, etc. After doing this I see absolutely no change in the original on screen image. The "proof" shows I need make no changes before printing to match my on screen print...no saturation change, no slight contrast correction,nothing. When I proof in lightroom even on glossy papers it shows me the image as it would appear "on paper". I can't seem to find anywhere in C1 that will let me proof this way. What am I doing wrong? OK...a quick edit here: I just went back and did the same thing with an image that had very deep shadows and the one thing I do notice is that the shadows became ever so slightly duller with say epson exhibition fiber paper...as they should. The change in soft proof in C1 is not as pronounced as in Lightroom which is what I've been using for proofing. Think I'm beginning to see what you all are talking about here.....Thanks again, Eleanor
Follow QWZ's advice. You won't need to output a 16bit tiff. Just make a process recipe with your print profile or go to View>Proof Profile and select it there..
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David, as P1 established some kind of cooperation with Sony it seems are we to expect "camera matching" profiles (to mimic OOC JPG styles) from P1 for Sony cameras in addition to Generic and Standard profiles available in v8 ?
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I'm not sure why you would assume that?
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I'm not sure why you would assume that?
OK, P1 decided to target Sony dSLM/dSLR users regardless of Sony itself - the question actually stands about camera JPG matching profiles...
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Like any possible feature in Capture One considerations of demand vs expense dictates wether it will go to market.
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Here's something I can't seem to find a solution too. I can create a clone variant and view proof profile and then select whatever printer/paper combination I choose to profile and make any necessary changes to the file before printing. However I can't just save this variant ...what happens is that I have to look at literally ALL my image files at this paper proof profile unless I change the cloned printing variant back to my standard Pro Photo viewing editing space. Any suggestions?? Thanks Eleanor
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Like any possible feature in Capture One considerations of demand vs expense dictates wether it will go to market.
if you are targeting regular Sony users w/ special low prices (C1Pro for Sony) you might expect those users to ask for those profiles (Adobe again does provide such camera matching profiles for Sony cameras, even for Olympus and Fuji with their lesser marketshare vs C&N&S)
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What I would like to know is, if liveview for the Sony A7r is going to happen soon?
thanks,
Oliver
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Like any possible feature in Capture One considerations of demand vs expense dictates wether it will go to market.
Does this apply as well to the lack of integration with your own product, Media Pro, even though the demand (as seen on your own forums) is there?
You continue to sell MP with the implication that it works withe CO 8.
Jim
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8.0.1.16
What's new except color sliders?
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8.0.1.16
What's new except color sliders?
According to the release notes (you can download the PDF at their website (http://www.phaseone.com/nl-NL/Downloads/Materials/Download-Capture-One-8.aspx), which also lists all changes for version 8):
Highlights, Capture One 8.0.1
This is a service release providing bug and crash fixes and improved camera support
Capture support
• Support for uncompressed file formats from Nikon D810 and D4s
Bug fixes
• Fixed a issue with Template folders
• Fixed an issue with reading certain Fujifilm files
• Fixed an issue with renaming a single file
• Fixed a few issues with Repair Layers
• Fixed a few issues with Focus Mask
• Fixed a few issues with Nikon Live View
• Fixed keyword incompatibility with Adobe Lightroom 4
• Fixed numerous other bugs
• Fixed several crashes
• Fixed several user interface bugs and misalignments
Cheers,
Bart
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BartvanderWolf, I've read the 'changes'.
But 8.0.1.16 differs from 8.0.1 with colorful sliders in BW section e.g.
What are the other changes? - that is my question.