Luminous Landscape Forum
Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Doug Peterson on September 16, 2014, 04:10:14 am
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Capture One v8 (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/capture-one-8-is-here) - focus on speed and stability, a few great new features, Sony tethering
IQ150 Introduced (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/phase-one-iq150) - an IQ250 without wifi with a lower cost of entry
P+ to IQ2 (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/p-upgrade-promotion) - aggressive, short term offer, on upgrades from Phase One P+ backs to the IQ2 series.
Alpa and Phase One Strategic Partnership (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/photokina-2014) - one indication of how seriously Phase One is taking the broader tech camera market
Warranty News (https://digitaltransitions.com/blog/dt-blog/photokina-2014) - every IQ2 will now include the 5-year Value Added Warranty with loaner-during-service, including the body and lenses purchased at the same time
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How much is the IQ150?
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How much is the IQ150?
In the US the price is $29,990.
In other countries please contact your local dealer for pricing in your market in your currency.
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Sony tethering? ??? :o 8) :-*
Great news, not that switching between the sony app and C1 is a pain but that's a welcome feature for me, good to see camera/imaging companies looking outward not navel gazing.
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Where is the new P1 body which has been hinted and rehinted? Not for Photokina announcement?
Will a special version of C1 come with Sony cameras?
Edmund
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Doug -
Where is the new P1 body which has been hinted and rehinted? Not for Photokina announcement?
Will a special version of C1 come with Sony cameras?
There will not be a new Phase One body announced at Photokina. It is an area of massive investment for Phase One and it will ship when it's ready.
Phase One now have an agreement with sony. A special version of c1 will ship with some sony cameras which only supports Sony cameras.
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That was direct and informative. Thank you. :)
Edmund
There will not be a new Phase One body announced at Photokina. It is an area of massive investment for Phase One and it will ship when it's ready.
Phase One now have an agreement with sony. A special version of c1 will ship with some sony cameras which only supports Sony cameras.
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Is this a joke? A measly USD 6k for a P65+ back?
Am I misunderstanding something? I completely fail to see the "aggressive" part of this...
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Is this a joke? A measly USD 6k for a P65+ back?
Am I misunderstanding something? I completely fail to see the "aggressive" part of this...
I don't have a super-recent update, but I would think that a P65+ in reasonable condition would go for at least $10k in the for sale forum. So I guess it's a better deal to sell privately and then buy new at your dealer, right?
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Capture One 8 requires Mac OS X 10.9.x! 10.8.x and earlier is not supported. 10.10 (Yosemite) is not supported at this time.
Interesting. I guess I will hold off on upgrading then for a while...
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Is this a joke? A measly USD 6k for a P65+ back?
Am I misunderstanding something? I completely fail to see the "aggressive" part of this...
Paul - It's an extra $6,000 on top of the normal $21,800 credit for upgrading to an IQ280.
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
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Is this a joke? A measly USD 6k for a P65+ back?
Am I misunderstanding something? I completely fail to see the "aggressive" part of this...
Don't be too surprised, they offered me a total of $14,000 for a IQ260 to upgrade to a IQ250. The IQ260 was less than 6 month old, had 4 K actuations and a full 5 year value add warranty.
The past deals I have seen, they were offering 24K to trade in a P45+ for a IQ250 which was also an eye opener.
They either have too many P65+ in stock, or the 6K is on top of a trade in deal.
However not sure what their direction is currently.
If you look at the 29K for a IQ150, (which comes with a 1 year warranty), by the time you add back the 5 year value add, which usually is around 4.5 K, you are really close to the IQ250. I still could not purchase one of these backs without the value add, just too much risk and 1 year doesn't last that long.
To your question, I would contact your Phase One dealer and see if there is more to the offering.
Paul
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Paul - It's an extra $6,000 on top of the normal $21,800 credit for upgrading to an IQ280.
Oh, that's a difference :-)... $27.8k for a P65+, you won't get that on the private market for sure...
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Pretty unexciting announcements, when you go behind the headlines.
Nothing really *new* there at all.
Where's the 100Mp back? the new Camera System? the IQ3 series with EVF out?
All very tepid stuff served up as hot products.
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Where's the 100Mp back? the new Camera System? the IQ3 series with EVF out?
All very tepid stuff served up as hot products.
Expecting them to deliver a new back with new sensor technology so soon after IQ2 series is a bit tough, isn't it? Historically it's about 3 years between major upgrades, so I wouldn't expect a new breakthrough back until 2016-2017.
Concerning a new camera body it's different... but I think Phase One has strategically chosen to focus on being on top concerning digital backs, as it's more profitable. Hasselblad is the other way around (on top concerning body, but a bit after concerning backs) which is not as profitable.
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With tethering support for Sony now coming, I think it's possible to see one direction that Phase One is going for the "new body". Sony the one and only. I just can't see Phase One building a new body from the ground up, making the actual physical components, etc. They have always worked with an existing brand, currently Mamiya.
Sony seems poised to release a MF RX1, did not hit yet, but I can see a lot of that going into the "new" Phase One" body, just have to figure out the mount, if Sony has the rest done. EVF 50MP, tilting screen, peaking, etc.
Can't complain, Sony makes good stuff.
Paul
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Does PhaseOne eat Alpa, as before with Mamiya and Leaf?
PdF
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What about going from a P65 to an IQ260?
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Phase One Alpa "A-series camera system". see press release
http://www.alpa.ch/en/news/2014/fine-art-camera-system-alliance.html?year=2014&num=1
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So there is a capture one express sony version (free to some sony camera owners) and capture one pro (sony)
So are there 2 different versions of capture one pro? The sony version having different profiles?
I own and use C1 and will upgrade to 8 but reading this looks like there are different versions
(http://briansmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Capture-One-Express-Sony-tether.jpg)
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So there is a capture one express sony version (free to some sony camera owners) and capture one pro (sony)
Judging from the page you've linked to, C1 Express( for Sony) is a very limited subset of C1Pro, with no support for adjusting the cam during a tethering session. Am I correct in assuming that the full C1 Pro edition will offer full tethered support or is it a link-in via the Sony RemoteCameraControl app .. anyone ?
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A bit more reading on the phase one site and it seems there is a pro version (sony) that is a relatively cheap upgrade from the express (sony) version that will have profiles and allow tethering for sony cameras only.
You can upgrade from the free (sony) C1 express version to C1 pro (supports long list of cameras not just sony) but it's a lot more money.
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The documentation for C1 Pro 8 (full version) states tether support for Sony cameras.
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You can upgrade from the free (sony) C1 express version to C1 pro (supports long list of cameras not just sony) but it's a lot more money.
I'm on an EU site, but the upgrade price I'm seeing from any prior version of C1Pro (3-7) AND for C1 Express, LE, Leica Capture or Scandisk license to C1 Pro 8. is 69 euros in both cases. Seems aggressive pricing to gain additional market penetration ... great, no complaints !
The higher px for the free C1(Sony) to C1 Pro is understandable ..
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And the upgrade from express sony (free) to pro sony only is only €23
A bargain.
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There seems to be one limitation with the tethering support for Sony:
"Currently not possible to change camera settings while shooting tethered"
Also Leica seems to have fallen of the list of supported cameras altogether… Is the Leica M indeed no longer supported by Capture One?
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One/Supported-cameras.aspx
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So there is a capture one express sony version (free to some sony camera owners) and capture one pro (sony)
So are there 2 different versions of capture one pro? The sony version having different profiles?
I own and use C1 and will upgrade to 8 but reading this looks like there are different versions
(http://briansmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Capture-One-Express-Sony-tether.jpg)
8 Pro = Every Feature. Every Camera.
8 DB = Every Feature. Only Team Phase One Cameras.
8 Pro [Sony] = Every Feature. Only Sony Cameras and Phase One Cameras.
8 Express [Sony] = Only some features. Only Sony Cameras and Phase One Cameras.
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There seems to be one limitation with the tethering support for Sony:
"Currently not possible to change camera settings while shooting tethered"
Also Leica seems to have fallen of the list of supported cameras altogether… Is the Leica M indeed no longer supported by Capture One?
http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One/Supported-cameras.aspx
Raw files from 14 Leica Cameras are officially supported.
https://digitaltransitions.com/page/technical-information
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Raw files from 14 Leica Cameras are officially supported.
https://digitaltransitions.com/page/technical-information
Thanks for clarifying Doug!
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Capture One 8 requires Mac OS X 10.9.x! 10.8.x and earlier is not supported. 10.10 (Yosemite) is not supported at this time.
Interesting. I guess I will hold off on upgrading then for a while...
Yes, but I started using C1 v8 today, and it is much better than v7. I see a very big difference with how the highlights are handled with regards to recovery and maintaining smooth gradients.
Yesterday I shot a patio image with the camera (almost) aimed towards the son. I got a halo around a tree in the image from really pulling the highlights and sky down. After upgrading to C1 v8 and changing the engine to #8, the halo completely disappeared. I am also getting much better highlight recovery in my windows.
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Awesomeness. I can confirm A7r tethering in the Pro version. I didn't see this in any of the Beta versions. What a nice surprise! No more Sony software!
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Awesomeness. I can confirm A7r tethering in the Pro version. I didn't see this in any of the Beta versions. What a nice surprise! No more Sony software!
And the live view? (On computer screen) is it working o.k.
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And the live view? (On computer screen) is it working o.k.
I'm not seeing any LV on the computer screen. I'm tethering with approx 3-second delay after the first capture. Also, C1 seems to be using the mac_os Image Capture to connect to the A7. No camera control on screen.
Compared to Lightroom with a hot folder, not much difference after the first (C1 quicker) import - thereafter they both flow well - no delays. The Lr solution has the advantage of using the Sony RCC app which does give you camera control.
Am I missing something ?
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I'm not seeing any LV on the computer screen. I'm tethering with approx 3-second delay after the first capture. Also, C1 seems to be using the mac_os Image Capture to connect to the A7. No camera control on screen.
Compared to Lightroom with a hot folder, not much difference after the first (C1 quicker) import - thereafter they both flow well - no delays. The Lr solution has the advantage of using the Sony RCC app which does give you camera control.
Am I missing something ?
are you a new user to C1? you have to sort out turning off the auto launching of various apps when you plug a camera in, i think mac image capture is trying to take over importing images , the live view in C1 is a separate window/button.
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are you a new user to C1?
on mac and tethering - totally ! thanks
with image_capture(mac) disabled C1 tethers, but no live view with the A7r.
LV window is giving me a 'Selected Camera does not support Live View' ..
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No Live View and P1 themselves say no camera control yet, though you can fire the shutter. The big thing for me now is auto applying settings from previous captures, it was a pain to have to select every new capture that came in and then paste then settings. Changing camera settings isn't a big deal for me, I never even did it through the Sony software because it was so much slower than just doing it manually.
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shame the live-view on the laptop doesn't work but it’s not a deal breaker as i rarely used it on the canon, was sometimes useful for moving things on set and being able to look across to the monitor.
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Thanks for the conformation CB.
No Live View and P1 themselves say no camera control yet, though you can fire the shutter. The big thing for me now is auto applying settings from previous captures ...
FWIW, this is what I've been doing in a Lightroom hot folder combined with the FolderWatch plugin.
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There seems to be one limitation with the tethering support for Sony:
"Currently not possible to change camera settings while shooting tethered"
Perhaps someone from Phase can clarify what IS currently supported and what WILL BE supported in the near future. Current offering doesn't really warrant the 'tethered support' moniker - little difference, if any, from a hot folder in Lightroom.
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Perhaps someone from Phase can clarify what IS currently supported and what WILL BE supported in the near future. Current offering doesn't really warrant the 'tethered support' moniker - little difference, if any, from a hot folder in Lightroom.
it’s still tethering though isn’t it. no other app to run and switch between. would rather use C1-8 than 7 and the sony app with watched folder.
the big difference between a watched folder in lightroom is what the files look like ;)
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Re Sony Tethering: Sony and Phase One are now pretty closely in bed for software - Sony has purchased, in bulk, enough C1 licenses for them to include Capture One with many of it's cameras (naturally they didn't pay list price for these many many licenses, but it's still a very significant investment).
I do not have any inside information (we don't sell Sony so this is not an area that I have much interest in), but it doesn't take much imagination to think, having just bought a boat load of licenses for C1, that Sony has a lot of motivation to provide a better SDK such that C1 can then provide more tools like camera control and Live View. Their OSX/Windows SDK so far, only provides for rudimentary access to trigger the capture and transfer the resulting file.
I'm quite sure that if/when Sony provides an SDK that allows such functionality that C1 will be fast to adopt it.
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On the warranty changes. I do find it a bit odd that Phase One will no longer have a "free" 1 year classic included in the cost of the back for the IQ2 backs. Instead if you want a warranty, you have to purchase the value add at a reduced price.
Any numbers on that reduced price? in the past it was around 4.5 to 4K. I base this on my past value add purchases, p45+ 160 and 260.
Paul
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On the warranty changes. I do find it a bit odd that Phase One will no longer have a "free" 1 year classic included in the cost of the back for the IQ2 backs. Instead if you want a warranty, you have to purchase the value add at a reduced price.
Any numbers on that reduced price? in the past it was around 4.5 to 4K. I base this on my past value add purchases, p45+ 160 and 260.
The IQ2 backs now come with a 5-year warranty, with loaner provision, at *no* additional price.
This warranty also covers the body and lenses purchased at the same time.
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Doug.
Tks. The DT blog stated more attractive price so this is great news. Good to see it.
Paul