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Site & Board Matters => Luminous Landscape Video => Topic started by: bob mccarthy on September 15, 2005, 10:01:04 am
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Did the web going down effect the schedule?
Any chance of posting the final index of what made the program?
Bob
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Did the web going down effect the schedule?
I doubt that it could have, Michael is on vacation in Europe, and Chris doesn't appear to be doing his work on the web server, but rather on other computers. Nor do I think Chris has anything to do with the day-to-day management of the forums.
My guess is that Chris's earlier posted schedule still has a chance.
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Well good news/badnews
(Great that the Forum is back up at least and pretty sprightly too - thanks Neil)
Likely we can remain on schedule but - after two days at the duplicators, Duplium informed me today that the master I had provided was 1Kb over the allowable limit . . . Neither my Apple authoring software nor the several DVD-R that I burned gave me any indication. So, as I write this, the DLT tape machine is whirring and clicking behind me re-writing a new master tape with a miniscule size reduction (the length of transitions between slides in the Africa slideshow). If I can drive it there by 5 and I can get back in the mastering queue that I was already in, we should be on track for delivery starting in the last week of September.
Assuming that all this works, the content is
- African Photo Safari workshop in Tanzania with MR & Andy Biggs - a 1 hour segement (plus slideshow of MR & AB photos)
- Digital Workflow Tutorial part 2:consisting of a close look at Capture One Pro (15 min) and an extensive look at workflow post raw conversion inside Photoshop (30 min)
- A 'Luminous Landscapes' feature critiquing the excellent photography of Norris MacPhadyen, a Toronto-based photographer who has been a workshop participant (20 min. plus slideshow).
- A visit to Phase One in Copenhagen featuring interviews with their CEO and with their Head of Engineering ( 12 & 11 min)
All this and Michael's Intro has put us up to the limit of a DVD-5!
Chris S
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Well, I made it and the DLT tape of the master is fine; this time coming in at 4.35Gig instead of 4.36 . . .
Stay tuned
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Thanks Chris!
Cheers,
Bernard
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So, am I correct that Clyde didn't make the cut?
The next issue is out when? (the one after the upcoming one, with the CB article)
Bob
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The feature on Florida and Clyde Butcher will be in Issue 14. No promises at this point on a release date but I am aiming pre-Christmas.
Chris S
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Hello Chris,
I can just imagine how much work 0.01 of a GB caused you - probably out of all proportion to the numerical size of the problem. Glad it is done and looking forward to the issue.
Cheers,
Mark
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That whole situation was quite bizarre (compounded by the fact that I was a three to four hour drive from the mastering facility). In fact the difference was so picayune that all I did was change the length of a few transitions between slides in one slideshow to make the difference. That took me two minutes or less. Re-muxing and rewriting the DLT and DVDr took about two and a half hours.
A technical DVD guru acquaintance said that the mastering machine operator could fairly easily have worked around the 'oversize' problem but unfortunately, as with most modern facilities, the semi-automated machines are run by button-pushers and report readers - not by properly trained and motivated technicians. "Sorry - mastering your DVD at 1Kb over is impossible!". The strange thing is that Apple's DVD Studio Pro which is finally quite a professional piece of software did not hint at a problem. Who knows? I jumped up and down and hollered but then got in my car and fixed it! Here's hoping it makes it through the rest of the process.
Chris S
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Update: LLVJ-13 to start shipping Monday, September 26th.
All the DVDs are ready for shipping and will go out by mail in batches over the next three or four days.
Since LLVJ-12 took longer to get to California than India, Iceland and New Zealand due to the US Postal Service's glacial performance in that state, the first batches will start with the western USA :)
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Update: LLVJ-13 to start shipping Monday, September 26th.
All the DVDs are ready for shipping and will go out by mail in batches over the next three or four days.
Since LLVJ-12 took longer to get to California than India, Iceland and New Zealand due to the US Postal Service's glacial performance in that state, the first batches will start with the western USA
Chris, I think you should be aware that NE OHIO gets the DVD last, always. (At least 5 times in a row now.) I usually wait almost FOUR weeks!
Please help.
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Maybe there is an exercise fanatic around Toronto who would ride it over to you on a bicycle - would be much faster. :D
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Since LLVJ-12 took longer to get to California than India, Iceland and New Zealand due to the US Postal Service's glacial performance in that state, the first batches will start with the western USA :)
Hi Chris,
Thank you!
Best,
Paul (in Los Angeles)
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Chris, I think you should be aware that NE OHIO gets the DVD last, always. (At least 5 times in a row now.) I usually wait almost FOUR weeks! Please help.
Bob, the LLVJs arrive in state-sorted batches at the various US border points within two or three days of each other. Some of these USPS border points apparently have far more efficient clearing procedures than others. Unfortunately there is little we can do beyond getting the DVDs to the USPS expeditiously. Judging from the quantity of complaint that we get from California subscribers - that state is the slowest after NE Ohio! :)
Chris S
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OK start counting the days - all U.S.A. bound LLVJ-13 have shipped as of 09/27/2005 end of business.
Rest-of-the-World ships today Wednesday, September 28th :D
BTW if you are in the US & have not yet received an email from us telling you that your LLVJ-13 has shipped, consider letting email from me () through your spam filter
or
consider updating the email address on your Subscriber Record found by logging in on the Store Page (https://www.luminous-landscape.com/store/) of the L-L website.
Ship emails for Rest-of-the-World go out today
Chris
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i got my dvd yesterday....only problem, i do not have time i'm trying to learn how to used my new toy(p25 with h1)
sorry, but thank you
blas
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Enjoy your toy. :D
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A note to those on the 'left coast':
BlasR is in Mass. His DVD shipped a day after yours. Yeehaa - git those USPS ponies running. Maybe they have reached Utah by now :D
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Well Chris, if they've reached Utah they're running alot faster and better than the ponies running from point A to point B in metropolitan Toronto, because the pony carrying mine (to mid-town Toronto - not exactly the boonies) hasn't saddled up to my doorstep just yet. :D
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So, has anyone west of the Mississippi received their's yet? :D
Paul (waiting patiently in Los Angeles)
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The efforts of Canada Post and the Royal Mail have allowed DVDs to reach subscribers in the UK today. I received a positive notice from there and the assurance that the mix of 16:9 and 4:3 material on the DVD played just fine on a variety of PAL systems. :laugh:
Mark, I will give you yours in Hong Kong if it hasn't made it the 15 km from Markham to Toronto by then.
CS
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England is west of the Mississippi if you go round the other way.
Michael
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England is west of the Mississippi if you go round the other way.
Michael
That would explain why it takes so long for Boku's copy to reach him in Ohio. The LLVJ deliveries travel in an easterly direction around the world to their ultimate destinations!
Paul
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And Hong Kong is West of England by that reckoning? :D
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PaulS, a-ha, so they travel Easterly - that explains the problem between Markham and Toronto. As Chris said, I am 15 km South of Markham, but the discs travel East, so if I'm travelling East (or West depending on how you start) there just could be a chance that I catch the disc sooner in the Far East(West) than in the Very Near South.
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All of this geographical relativism is making my head spin. So, if I'm standing on the North Pole, Canada is the "Great White South?"
Paul
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From the geography lessons here I have also learned that MAssachusetts is quite far from Massachusetts, since BlasR got his (in Massachusetts) two days ago, and I haven't got mine yet (living in Massachusetts). :(
Eric
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I do not want to change the title...So here is my question.
I send a email to Michael, to send me a book. But I don't know if he recibed it, I think will be better if he have a automatic responsed
them don't need to response and the person know he got the email knowing M ichael have one too.
Do you put me in for the book?
I want to thanks Chriss for the wonderfull DVD, is great andf I can way for # 14,15 and so onn
Now give me more give me more.
Thank you
BlasR
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The efforts of Canada Post and the Royal Mail have allowed DVDs to reach subscribers in the UK today.
... and Oz post delivered mine sometime in the last hour.
Giles
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Jeez, everywhere but here in Maryland. The mail gets delivered around noon, and no joy as yet. I always seem to be the last one to get the LLVJ.
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Jeez, everywhere but here in Maryland. The mail gets delivered around noon, and no joy as yet. I always seem to be the last one to get the LLVJ.
Nope, not necessarily last. Here on the Left Coast, I'm still waiting too. If it travels east (see the speculative theories above) and Oz got it yesterday, does that mean it will get here next? :p
Lisa
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Possibly, but first would be Hawaii, then you and finally it might make it to the east coast.
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Well Blasr got his now four days ago, in Massachusetts, and mine still hasn't arrived (also Massachusetts). Maybe I'll get mine on Santa's second trip around the globe.
Still waiting by the mail slot with tongue hanging out . . .
Eric
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(Duplicate post. Sorry!)
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In today's mail in country OZ....yippee!!!
Julie
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Jeez, everywhere but here in Maryland. The mail gets delivered around noon, and no joy as yet. I always seem to be the last one to get the LLVJ.
Nope, not necessarily last. Here on the Left Coast, I'm still waiting too. If it travels east (see the speculative theories above) and Oz got it yesterday, does that mean it will get here next? :p
Lisa
Lisa,
Ditto for me in the City of Angels. Hoping for a nice package in my mailbox when I get home from work tonight.
Later: nope, no joy. :(
Paul
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Still no joy or the LLVJ either.
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The LLVJ just reached Los Angeles, about a week faster than in the past. Whatever you did, Chris, keep it up!
Hope that Lisa up in the Bay Area got her's too.
Paul
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Five days and counting since Blasr got his Massachusetts copy. Still waiting in Massachusetts. I think this pretty well proves that the delays are not at Michaels end, but are in the U.S. Postal "Service". :(
Eric
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The LLVJ just reached Los Angeles, about a week faster than in the past. Whatever you did, Chris, keep it up!
Hope that Lisa up in the Bay Area got her's too.
Not yet. Still waiting. Probably soon, though, if you got yours.
Lisa
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Thanks goodness the forum is back online. My copy of the LLVJ finally showed up on October 14th. Over 2 weeks to get from Canada to Baltimore.
Bah, I could have driven up and back in less time including a stop to visit family in New Jersey and some sightseeing along the way.
Oh well, it was worth the wait, the quality is simply stunning compared to Volume 12.
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Thanks Jake21209
Glad you enjoyed it - sorry it takes so long
Tell me: How did you watch the DVD - computer or TV?
Chris
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re: Tell me: How did you watch the DVD - computer or TV?
Chris,
fyi.. I always watch the LLVJ on computer. My monitors are far better than my TV.
Use Microsoft's media player. Much more flexible to pause, back/forth, select segments. Works good.
paul
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Interesting , it's my impression that most viewers look at the LLVJ on a computer even though DVDs are really 'supposed' to look better on a TV monitor. Maybe it's time to put back some more interactive features like 'live' web addresses?
Chris
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Interesting , it's my impression that most viewers look at the LLVJ on a computer even though DVDs are really 'supposed' to look better on a TV monitor. Maybe it's time to put back some more interactive features like 'live' web addresses?
Chris
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Well, mine did finally reach Eastern Massachusetts, a week later than it got to Blasr (also in Massachusetts).
I generally watch mine on the TV, just because I have a comfortable chair there, the screen is bigger, and I spend too much time at the computer anyway! But I'll probably try it on the computer to see how much different it looks. It sure looks fine on the TV, though.
Eric
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Thanks Jake21209
Glad you enjoyed it - sorry it takes so long
Tell me: How did you watch the DVD - computer or TV?
Chris
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My computer does not have a DVD player/drive. I watched the DVD on my TV. I spend way too much time looking at a computer screen at work, so when I have the chance to watch the VJ in the comfort of my home, my first choice would always be to watch it on TV. 27" vs 19" for the computer, plus the sofa is way more comfortable than sitting at my desk, ergonomic chair or not.
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I watch on my Samsung HD DLP, just waiting for the issues to start coming out in HD.
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Well, mine did finally reach Eastern Massachusetts, a week later than it got to Blasr (also in Massachusetts).
I,m special,,,all the time the dvd get out to everyone else,,my is almost in my hands.
BlasR
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I really enjoyed #13! Love the widescreen usage - looked GREAT on my 51" HDTV! The 1 cycle/second 'interlacing flicker' (see my previous post about #12) is still there on most segments though - however they may have been shot/processed previously, saved for future use. Some of the segments this time were perfect. One bit of feedback on technique - you should tone down the use of digital zoom (I assume post-processed) to simulate a 2nd camera (angle). It's REALLY obvious, as the 'zoomed' shots look like crap in comparison. The dramatic loss of resolution on the 'tight' shots severely detracts from the segment, constantly switching back and forth. A minor point though - overall the BEST ISSUE yet!
I am continually impressed and shocked at the overall volume of information and segment length for the money - I hope I'm not jinxing myself!!
Awesome - keep it up, and I can't wait for the next installment!
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Just a thought, in addition to the increased clarity, even though I do not have a HDTV or widescreen, I think my favorite segment is the slide show. Is there some way to have a narrative with the slide show only as opposed to music?
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One bit of feedback on technique - you should tone down the use of digital zoom (I assume post-processed) to simulate a 2nd camera (angle). It's REALLY obvious, as the 'zoomed' shots look like crap in comparison. The dramatic loss of resolution on the 'tight' shots severely detracts from the segment, constantly switching back and forth.
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Many thanks for your thoughts - but I never use digital zoom and am puzzled by your point. The second camera is just that and the quality at my end is exactly the same. Maybe you could elaborate and point me at a couple of scenes where you see the problem?
Chris S
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Is there some way to have a narrative with the slide show only as opposed to music?
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IMO there is enough commentary within the print discussion. I use music simply as a background to smooth the slide show. You will have noticed that the slides move pretty quickly and this is for the reason of finite & limited space on the DVD (it's actually video and the longer the slide is up, the bigger the file gets; commentary would likely take much longer). I rely on viewers using the pause button if they wish to see the slide longer.
CS
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Many thanks for your thoughts - but I never use digital zoom and am puzzled by your point. The second camera is just that and the quality at my end is exactly the same. Maybe you could elaborate and point me at a couple of scenes where you see the problem?
Chris S
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WOW I'm very suprised. I'll try to get time tonight and give you some scenes - I remember one off the top of my head, the into, where M is by the bushes. Every tight shot looks more pixelated than the full shots - and where was the 2nd camera - right next to the first? The shots (at first watching anyway) look identical? Are they the same camera models? Did you try watching on a big screen to really see the differences?
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I've viewed it on a 42" plasma and don't see any of the issues that you describe.
Michael
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I've viewed it on a 42" plasma and don't see any of the issues that you describe.
Michael
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When I get some more time I'll make some videos to illustrate. Probably will need to wait till after turkey day though...so freaking busy...
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... where M is by the bushes. Every tight shot looks more pixelated than the full shots - and where was the 2nd camera - right next to the first? The shots (at first watching anyway) look identical? Are they the same camera models? Did you try watching on a big screen to really see the differences?
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Yes, the cameras are in the same position and are identical Sony HDV cams. I use a specially designed 2 camera baseplate on a tripod. The largest screen I have seen it on is a 32". My guess is that you are seeing the effects of some colour correction between the two video streams - this does cause some slight degradation of image quality especially if viewed at very large size - it is also amplified by mpeg compression. This correction is done to balance the slight colour shift between cameras.
Chris S
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Regarding delivery - I get my VJ within a few days of ordering online. Of course - it's usually overnight mail from Toronto, where I assume Chris is located.
I suspect the hold up is at the border.
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It time to start asking about issue 14...
Content, timing, etc.
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I believe Chris may be with the Antarctica Workshop just now - not clear whether he has access to the internet.