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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Radu Arama on February 04, 2014, 09:18:29 am
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For the first time Pentax, Hasselblad and Phase One will launch cameras weeks apart. Although Hasselblad "launched" only a press release in a very short time we will be able to compare the other two more material cameras (at least in specs and price).
Best regards,
Radu
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I'll bite, what have you heard on Pentax?
Paul
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Expect the announcement of the new 645D + a new lens tomorrow.
I'll bite, what have you heard on Pentax?
Paul
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thank you radu, I'm already excited
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Extremely exciting!
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Now, that is finally an interesting piece of news!
I guess that I'll have to make time for a visit to CP+ then. ;)
Cheers,
Bernard
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Pentax 645D II to be announced tomorrow I see a rumor saying. Hope it's true. Will be very interesting to see what sensor they're using (Sony's 44x33 I assume) and what pricing it will have.
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Yesss....
I am longing for live view on my 645D. I have a Sony Nex6 and the introduction of the A7R has been making my think about selling my 645D kit.
Bring on 50MP and live view.
It makes sense to launch it at CP+ as it is on home territory and it will get maximum exposure in the Asian market.
Cheers, Scott
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Once again Radu, you are the bearer of good news. If nothing else, this confirms Ricoh's continued commitment to the 645D. Design, pricing and performance will be interesting to see.
Tom
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As of this morning on the main Pentax USA site, nothing is showing new only the 645D.
Paul
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Technically speaking in Europe and Asia it will be the 6th, in North America still 5th. The announcement will happen on 6th, 07 00 AM Tokyo time so less than 10 hours from now. The successor of the original 645D as planned by Hoya was withdrawn by Ricoh and spent another year getting major upgrades. The lenses from the roadmap were also sent back to the drawing board with the goal of paramount quality in mind. "Today" we will see the ultra wide zoom.
As of this morning on the main Pentax USA site, nothing is showing new only the 645D.
Paul
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There was, as of 1 hr ago, mention of the 645DII at Photo Rumors; it has since been removed ???
http://photorumors.com/
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Incredibly exciting!!!
Thanks for sharing, Radu!
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There was, as of 1 hr ago, mention of the 645DII at Photo Rumors; it has since been removed ???
http://photorumors.com/
I really don't see the the point of discussions based on rumours rather than real announcements… It reminds me of DPR… ???
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I really don't see the the point of discussions based on rumours rather than real announcements… It reminds me of DPR… ???
You'd rather go all meta and discuss the discussion?
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Pentax under Hoya "rule" was pretty leak proof, Pentax under Ricoh is almost a "secret society". Like I said in less than 10 hours Pentax will launch products for every mount they have (Q, K and 645) and besides the 1.4x TC and the two compacts there are not even rumors on the net about it. Anyway, we're just less than half day away of getting a resolution on the subject, so please indulge me ... ;D
There was, as of 1 hr ago, mention of the 645DII at Photo Rumors; it has since been removed ???
http://photorumors.com/
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I read the Pentax name is gone. Pentax is way more cool and recognized. Besides the Ricoh name is ugly, cheap and infantile in my language. I won't be buying any "rico" camera!
Eduardo
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Rest assured it reads in big letters PENTAX on the front, as usual. ;) Besides it would be suicide to rebrand the 645 system which has a huge following in Japan, I read some estimates that there are 1M Pentax 645 lenses in Japan (of course the huge majority being the older models).
I read the Pentax name is gone. Pentax is way more cool and recognized. Besides the Ricoh name is ugly, cheap and infantile in my language. I won't be buying any "rico" camera!
Eduardo
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The Pentax->Ricoh change was for the rugged compacts, it has nothing to do with the 645D
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In fact all the compacts will sport the Ricoh name in the close future, every single new model will be a "Ricoh".
The Pentax->Ricoh change was for the rugged compacts, it has nothing to do with the 645D
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What will happen to Pentax 67II? Is there a III model coming? Perhaps not?
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In fact all the compacts will sport the Ricoh name in the close future, every single new model will be a "Ricoh".
Yeah, the Pentax K-3 says Ricoh on the back. Seems to me they are transitioning to switching the name already. It is a shame. The Pentax name has a lot of history and value. Oh well.
HERE (http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentax-k-3/images/allroundview.jpg)
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Lets hope Pentax's new camera is the exact same sensor as Phase and Hasselblad for 10.000$
That could really start to push the prices for Phase and Hasselblad.
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Spring 2014: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/02/05/ricoh-promises-reference-products-including-cmos-645d-at-cp
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Expect the announcement of the new 645D + a new lens tomorrow.
Thanks for the heads-up, Radu.
By the way, with this now confirmed in a press release from Ricoh Imaging (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11555524.htm), Radu strengthens his standing as a more reliable inside source on Pentax than any rumor site.
My favorite feature, not previously mentioned, is the "Tilt-type LCD monitor". Now old-timers can compose by looking down on it like the ground glass MF viewfinders of old, except that the image on the LCD is slightly larger and not flipped.
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Tilt LCD with LV sounds good. I hope it is fully articulated or I won't be interested. If they keep the Pentax name it would great. If it comes under 10k, now we're talking!
Eduardo
Thanks for the head-up, Radu.
By the way, with this now confirmed in a press release from Ricoh Imaging (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11555524.htm), Radu strengthens his standing as a more reliable inside source on Pentax than any rumor site.
My favorite feature, not previously mentioned, is the "Tilt-type LCD monitor". Now old-timers can compose by looking down on it like the ground glass MF viewfinders of old, except that the image on the LCD is slightly larger and not flipped.
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Like I said in less than 10 hours Pentax will launch products for every mount they have (Q, K and 645)
so "Ricoh Imaging has announced it will be showing four 'reference products'" qualifies like a product launch ;)?
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Wondering whether Radu's crystal ball reveals any additional numbers about the ultra wide angle zoom. Does it perhaps match the road map? :P
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Tilt LCD with LV sounds good. I hope it is fully articulated or I won't be interested. If they keep the Pentax name it would great. If it comes under 10k, now we're talking!
I'd expect Olympus OM-D & Sony A7(r) style articulation, though we'll see... I love being able to use these cameras in a Hasselblad/Rollei fashion while out & about, camera at waist level. Not how I use my 645D at all, but being a fairly tall guy it'd be nice to drop the tripod height without having to kneel. ;)
-Dave-
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I'd guess that the majority of current 645D(v1) owners don't have much "need" for tethered operation, but it'd sure be nice if they would allow this new camera to have such capabilities. Even if they had their own software for tethering & raw file conversion/processing; as long as it's stable, that'd be super sweet too. Alas, I'm still enjoying film, so I'm only a mere spectator here w/ all this digital stuff :P
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Here you go folks -
http://news.kakaku.com/prdnews/cd=camera/ctcd=0049/id=36571/
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You'd rather go all meta and discuss the discussion?
LOL
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Here you go folks -
http://news.kakaku.com/prdnews/cd=camera/ctcd=0049/id=36571/
Thanks for the link. I half expected this to be mirrorless, maybe next time.
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Bigger pics -
(http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_645D_2014_1.jpg)
(http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_645D_2014_2.jpg)
http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2014/20140206_004691.html
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Tilt LCD useless for portrait shooting. Do Panasonic, Canon and Nikon own all the rights for fully articulated screens? Hahaha So it seems!
At least it clearly says Pentax. Actually I didn't mean Ricoh to flaunt it so severely. White small carved letters would suffice. I didn't ask for a banner! :D
It is worst than the big H on the Hasselblad HIV. What's wrong with designers these days?
Eduardo
Bigger pics -
(http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/1_645D_2014_2.jpg)
http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2014/20140206_004691.html
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Hmmm, don't like the bright "Pentax" logo...if I end up getting one that sucker will be blacktaped pronto!
Since I'm doing everything now with 16:9 horizontal presentation in mind (4k TV!) the inability to put the rear LCD in portrait orientation doesn't bother me.
-Dave-
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The CMOS sensor is probably the same Sony chip used in the IQ250 and Hasselblad.
It will be fun to test the Phaseone claims that they know better than anybody else how to extract top image quality from a chip. Pentax is making the same claims in fact. ;)
And, if it is indeed better, then to check whether it is 25,000 US$ worth better or not. ;D
Another key aspect is the quality of the live view implementation that Phaseone seems to have executed very well.
As far as pricing goes, I would be extremely surprised if the 645DII sold for more than 10,000 US$. That is psychological barrier above which Japanese camera companies seem to think that they will not succeed with the target audience of the 645D in Japan. We will see in a few days.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Yeah! I'd do that too asap. I can forget about the crippled articulated screen if it is 10K or less. It would be my first DMF camera. Eduardo.
Hmmm, don't like the bright "Pentax" logo...if I end up getting one that sucker will be blacktaped pronto!
Since I'm doing everything now with 16:9 horizontal presentation in mind (4k TV!) the inability to put the rear LCD in portrait orientation doesn't bother me.
-Dave-
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I see tiny holes on each side of the pentaprism cover of the new Pentax. They look like holes for microphones. Would that mean that the camera is able to shoot video?
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Phase One provides a full-frame system with detachable backs (sure IQ250 isn't full-frame but full-frame is coming), so I don't think it's really comparable. If you need a detachable back or having it upgradeable to full-frame 645 Pentax is not going to help you.
This makes it possible for Phase One (and Hasselblad) to stay in a totally different pricing space, and they probably will.
The CMOS sensor is probably the same Sony chip used in the IQ250 and Hasselblad.
It will be fun to test the Phaseone claims that they know better than anybody else how to extract top image quality from a chip. Pentax is making the same claims in fact. ;)
And, if it is indeed better, then to check whether it is 25,000 US$ worth better or not. ;D
Another key aspect is the quality of the live view implementation that Phaseone seems to have executed very well.
As far as pricing goes, I would be extremely surprised if the 645DII sold for more than 10,000 US$. That is psychological barrier above which Japanese camera companies seem to think that they will not succeed with the target audience of the 645D in Japan. We will see in a few days.
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On the other hand Pentax don't have the problem with tollerances between body and back.
That is many times a problem for Phase and Leaf if you test them.
They have a complete integrated system. I like that idea even if I use my back also for LF.
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It will be fun to test the Phaseone claims that they know better than anybody else how to extract top image quality from a chip. Pentax is making the same claims in fact. ;)
I'd like to note again that the Exmors have, of course, on board gain/A-D stages, and deliver digital image data straight off the sensor. So the image quality -- the look -- is mostly predetermined by the sensor. It's not quite the 'black art' that it was to implement a CCD sensor.
And, if it is indeed better, then to check whether it is 25,000 US$ worth better or not. ;D
[...] I would be extremely surprised if the 645DII sold for more than 10,000 US$.
With the sensor (mostly) assuring consistent image quality between cameras, it will be hard to justify a $25,000 premium.
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The worry here is the lenses prices.....
I am sure the 645DII will be a bargain relative to the MFD competition but the last two lens released have both been in the $5,000/£3,500 range.
The new "wide zoom" will be unlikely to break this trend, unless Ricoh plans to overhall the price point for the 645D line.
So a Single body plus three lens kit is still over the $20,000 mark. Not exactly 'cheap'........
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I'd like to note again that the Exmors have, of course, on board gain/A-D stages, and deliver digital image data straight off the sensor. So the image quality -- the look -- is mostly predetermined by the sensor. It's not quite the 'black art' that it was to implement a CCD sensor.
Still there are differences between Sony and Nikon FF DSLRs?
-h
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Still there are differences between Sony and Nikon FF DSLRs?
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Yes but they are marginal, so is the price difference. The saving point of Phase is the separate back (technical cameras), tradition, dealers, strong control over the blogosphere and capture one.
I guess they will release this year a new camera, and they will have then a pretty compelling package.
Best regards,
J. Duncan
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Sony DSLRs have better out of the box skin and from what I hear, it's due to the different bayer filter array they use compared to the Nikons.
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Phase One provides a full-frame system with detachable backs (sure IQ250 isn't full-frame but full-frame is coming), so I don't think it's really comparable. If you need a detachable back or having it upgradeable to full-frame 645 Pentax is not going to help you.
Yes, there are differences, but it seems that the IQ250 has some limitations on technical cameras, so the value of a detachable back seems significantly less to me than it would be with an IQ260 for instance.
I believe that many photographers, probably a large majority, will never take their IQ250 off their DF camera.
About lenses, yes recent Pentax lenses are expensive, but they are also pretty much best in class and still much cheaper than Leica S glass for example, right?
Cheers,
Bernard
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I believe that many photographers, probably a large majority, will never take their IQ250 off their DF camera.
"DF Camera" meaning DF Camera, H1/H2/H4X, RZ, Contax, or Fuji 680.
I think we'll still sell a good number to tech camera users based on the tests we completed this week and should be posting tomorrow.
Also, we haven't tested it yet (focus has been testing for tech cameras, live view, and ISO range) but most still life / product / tabletop shooters are very much on our radar as they typically focus much closer than infinity and don't often use the ultra-wide lenses we are most concerned with on the IQ250.
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Also, we haven't tested it yet (focus has been testing for tech cameras, live view, and ISO range) but most still life / product / tabletop shooters are very much on our radar as they typically focus much closer than infinity and don't often use the ultra-wide lenses we are most concerned with on the IQ250.
Yes, we're focused on wides here as we like landscape and architecture, but there's also product photography and in that case the IQ250 should be great. With the relatively static workflow indoors I'd think that the current CCD backs are good enough and that CMOS-style live view would not be as desirable as it is to us field photographers though, so it will be interesting to see how popular it will be.
But seeing focus and tilt/movements in realtime on a large tethered computer screen in 30 fps directly from your Linhof M679 or Sinar P3... if that works well, I guess it could be a real hit even if you don't absolute need it.
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It comes to my mind that if the 645D2 becomes a really hot seller, Sigma could start an Art series for the Pentax first and then some other "645" bodies.
Eduardo
The worry here is the lenses prices.....
I am sure the 645DII will be a bargain relative to the MFD competition but the last two lens released have both been in the $5,000/£3,500 range.
The new "wide zoom" will be unlikely to break this trend, unless Ricoh plans to overhall the price point for the 645D line.
So a Single body plus three lens kit is still over the $20,000 mark. Not exactly 'cheap'........
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Yes, I am sure they will, but it will be a lot harder for them to justify why they need to price a
product with the same sensor 3-4 times higher. And you don't even get a camera...
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Yes, I am sure they will, but it will be a lot harder for them to justify why they need to price a
product with the same sensor 3-4 times higher. And you don't even get a camera...
From a professional viewpoint, they need to match the depth and look of a ccd, hopefully with a little higher iso.
If they can't, post work does wonders, but Pentax really, really needs to take a page out of Leica's book and make a series of smart adapters for lenses to move people from other formats, or to offer an alternative.
I bought the S2 because it didn't obsolete my contax/phase it increased their usefullness and two weeks after buying that body only, I've added a Leica lens, adapters, more batteries, screens, . . . in other words I'm buying stuff. Maybe not the full lens system, but it's a lot better for leica than me moving to a Nikon.
Pentax may be playing to the shoot flowers and mountains Japanese market, but they've sure missed a bet with the pros.
Pentax need a tethering suite. Phase won't make it for them, Lightroom is ok but I'm not too sold on it being a tethering suite.
I truly don't understand the Japanese manufacturers when it comes to tethering. Canons DPP is bulletproof but not a robust suite without the use of a second program like bridge to check focus.
Olympus as much as I love their cameras, has zero tethering and a processing suite that makes that nikon software look intuitive. (which is almost impossible).
Note to phase one. If you want to add some cash to the coffers that won't break into your camera market, call up the olympus boys/girls and say hey for $ _________ and if you give us you code we'll get these things tethering for you. They could do the same for Panasonic and Leica and I promise you the person buying those cameras are not going to replace their phase backs with a 43 olympus. Actually the big megapixel lovers aren't going to look at any camera smaller than their head for professional production.
Also note to phase. Having to move to newer computers to run 7.0 is imo a big error. Any professional is running multiple machines and I'm not the norm but I have 10 to 12 workstations and I'm not going to toss them in the recycle bin to use 7.0, though two unfortunatley run Maverick.
For the life of me I don't know why still software is so damn heavy. I could run a aptus 22 all day long on an old apple 13" powerbook with v8 (ugly but effective software) and never drop a frame.
I'm all for progress as long as it's my decision and not forced upon me, but nothing turns me off more to download a software trial and get the combined message from apple and Phase One "throw this computer away and buy some new computers and thank you for beta testing."
IMO
BC
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Yes, we're focused on wides here as we like landscape and architecture...
I bought my 645D primarily as a portrait camera. Does a fine job with the urban landscape too. I have the Pentax 35mm lens but rarely use it...the 55, 75 & 150mm lenses are the ones that float my boat.
(Just to point out that not everyone here is a nature/wildlife pic-taker, and that some architecture snappers prefer abstracting portions of structures rather than "fitting it all in.")
-Dave-
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I bought the S2 because it didn't obsolete my contax/phase it increased their usefullness and two weeks after buying that body only, I've added a Leica lens, adapters, more batteries, screens, . . . in other words I'm buying stuff. Maybe not the full lens system, but it's a lot better for leica than me moving to a Nikon.
BC
J,
At some point of the S discussion I became so frustrated with GAS-induced (Gear acquisition syndrome) emotions that I discovered the internet, downloaded a bunch of maths books and suddenly rediscovered my ability to do and have fun with maths.
I even phoned my ex-Cantab friend John Horton Conway, who complained that since Andrew Wiles had his big day, people won't fly him across the world for dinner anymore. Regretfully, he had forgotten me, but remembered my accented voice. :) Although he was quite good at solving the Rubik's cube behind his back, John Horton's last major work was a proof that if electrons have free will then people do too, which I guess is fun to hear even if one has trouble understanding it.
Anyway, it is strange how one can find fun and inspiration in both stuff and just abstract thought; in the end I wonder whether you don't quite realize that *in your special case* people here are actually more interested in the way your images look than in your gear.
And, btw, I'd recommend a UV filter on the Contax lenses.
Edmund
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Why?
Erik
And, btw, I'd recommend a UV filter on the Contax lenses.
Edmund
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Hi,
I would suggest we have a lot of different characters posting on these forums. Some shoot in studio, some shoot portraits. There are landscape shooters and architecture photographers. Some shoot for pleasure and some shoot for living.
Personally I shoot for pleasure and mostly landscape kind stuff, both DSLR and MFD, using everything I have from 10 mm fisheye to 800 mm. Gear is nice to have, except paying for and the need to carry.
In my case, I would say that tethering doesn't matter (for me), nor do sync times or electronic flash.
Best regards
Erik
I bought my 645D primarily as a portrait camera. Does a fine job with the urban landscape too. I have the Pentax 35mm lens but rarely use it...the 55, 75 & 150mm lenses are the ones that float my boat.
(Just to point out that not everyone here is a nature/wildlife pic-taker, and that some architecture snappers prefer abstracting portions of structures rather than "fitting it all in.")
-Dave-
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Because.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=86673.msg706544#msg706544
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Why?
Erik
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Thanks Edmund!
Good insight!
Erik
Because.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=86673.msg706544#msg706544
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I don't know what you guys are talking about. Obviously Edmund was doing a math project and came across some fact that black isn't always black in the world of digital capture.
Hey, I think defending a camera, or a lens is like defending my choice of car tires.
But for the record I've seen color in black on everything, in fact stick an eye dropper on a black patch and watch the world change from yellow, or purple, or green, but rarely neutral, but hey isn't neutral boring.
You know the little m8 had this weird thing that would happen on smooth backgrounds. The color would change depending on lenses and Leica had some kind of firmware fix, but I liked the look of the overall file so much, especially the skin tones, I wouldn't update it for two years.
But speaking of tires, has anybody tried Michelin Pilot S (I must like the letter S). They're have great grip and cost less than a nikon d800.
IMO
BC
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Hi,
Perhaps Pentax doesn't address pros. They perhaps happy selling to amateurs and pros shooting wildlife?
World is a bit larger than studio photography.
Best regards
Erik
From a professional viewpoint, they need to match the depth and look of a ccd, hopefully with a little higher iso.
If they can't, post work does wonders, but Pentax really, really needs to take a page out of Leica's book and make a series of smart adapters for lenses to move people from other formats, or to offer an alternative.
I bought the S2 because it didn't obsolete my contax/phase it increased their usefullness and two weeks after buying that body only, I've added a Leica lens, adapters, more batteries, screens, . . . in other words I'm buying stuff. Maybe not the full lens system, but it's a lot better for leica than me moving to a Nikon.
Pentax may be playing to the shoot flowers and mountains Japanese market, but they've sure missed a bet with the pros.
Pentax need a tethering suite. Phase won't make it for them, Lightroom is ok but I'm not too sold on it being a tethering suite.
I truly don't understand the Japanese manufacturers when it comes to tethering. Canons DPP is bulletproof but not a robust suite without the use of a second program like bridge to check focus.
Olympus as much as I love their cameras, has zero tethering and a processing suite that makes that nikon software look intuitive. (which is almost impossible).
Note to phase one. If you want to add some cash to the coffers that won't break into your camera market, call up the olympus boys/girls and say hey for $ _________ and if you give us you code we'll get these things tethering for you. They could do the same for Panasonic and Leica and I promise you the person buying those cameras are not going to replace their phase backs with a 43 olympus. Actually the big megapixel lovers aren't going to look at any camera smaller than their head for professional production.
Also note to phase. Having to move to newer computers to run 7.0 is imo a big error. Any professional is running multiple machines and I'm not the norm but I have 10 to 12 workstations and I'm not going to toss them in the recycle bin to use 7.0, though two unfortunatley run Maverick.
For the life of me I don't know why still software is so damn heavy. I could run a aptus 22 all day long on an old apple 13" powerbook with v8 (ugly but effective software) and never drop a frame.
I'm all for progress as long as it's my decision and not forced upon me, but nothing turns me off more to download a software trial and get the combined message from apple and Phase One "throw this computer away and buy some new computers and thank you for beta testing."
IMO
BC
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Perhaps Pentax doesn't address pros. They perhaps happy selling to amateurs and pros shooting wildlife?
World is a bit larger than studio photography.
the pro market is tiny compared to that of the amateur, most camera manufacturers don't need the pro market apart from it being a marketing tool to convince the weak minded with deep pockets.
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If this model came in 10.000$ will sell like hot pancakes, and maybe bring new users to the pentax brand and to DMF systems...
Competition its great, will be a great to see a quality image review to the 3 different brands, with the same sony chip a different prices...
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But speaking of tires, has anybody tried Michelin Pilot S (I must like the letter S). They're have great grip and cost less than a nikon d800.
I thought the last car shod with Michelin's was the Citroen 2CV. If you can't afford Pirelli's then aren't Continental the lesser choice ? (pronounced conteeenontaal, with a French intonation).
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Expect the announcement of the new 645D + a new lens tomorrow.
That would explain why the retailers have dropped the price of the current 645D to below £4,000.
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£5k ex vat for the body and 55mm
wonder if there would be enough cash left over for a 645-D spare body if you went for a 645-DII instead of an IQ-250?
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That would explain why the retailers have dropped the price of the current 645D to below £4,000.
where????
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http://www.reflexpro.fr/pentax-645d-nu-p-1292.html
with my euro-£ calculation less 20%vat =£3916 (is french vat 20%?) i expect in a few days that price would possibly be available in the U.K.
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:-) Point taken :-)
:-) Erik :-)
… convince the weak minded with deep pockets. …
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where????
Mifsuds in Devon. £3999. (Down from £4299 last week)
But I guess that will be matched by WEX, Park, etc.
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Hi,
Perhaps Pentax doesn't address pros. They perhaps happy selling to amateurs and pros shooting wildlife?
World is a bit larger than studio photography.
Best regards
Erik
Of course there are more pleasure users than professionals. Always has been.
Still, the camera companies, heck the world, are in a 2% growth system so to me even if you pick up 1000 sales with tethering, that's a lot of money you wouldn't have and the more a camera does the easier it is to sell later on, if upgrading is a person's plan and in the digital world, upgrade is the plan.
IMO
BC
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J,
Pay Pentax $70K directly (the price of 2 P1 backs), and I bet in a month or two they would courier a couple of scarred 645DII bodies with working tethering directly to your studio, with a bottle of Sake thrown in.
Edmund
Of course there are more pleasure users than professionals. Always has been.
Still, the camera companies, heck the world, are in a 2% growth system so to me even if you pick up 1000 sales with tethering, that's a lot of money you wouldn't have and the more a camera does the easier it is to sell later on, if upgrading is a person's plan and in the digital world, upgrade is the plan.
IMO
BC
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Of course there are more pleasure users than professionals. Always has been.
For Phase and Hassy around here (Sweden/Europe) I'm almost 100% sure that the vast majority of shooters are professionals. When I as an amateur contact them it's quite obvious that they're not so used to amateur users which don't shoot in a studio. They're all about commercial photography. Here Pentax is on the other hand also sold by companies that sell a large volume to amateurs.
It seems to me that in US there's more amateurs in the MF market, partly because there are more people that can afford that type of gear, but also that the dealers are aware of this group and their needs.
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...John Horton's last major work was a proof that if electrons have free will then people do too, which I guess is fun to hear even if one has trouble understanding it.
One of the few things I do understand, but then....electrons don't have free will in atoms or molecules - like a hyperactive kid running around the house, but never leaving it.
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Hi,
It may have to do with the substance being a conductor, a semi counductor or an isolator.
Best regards
Erik
One of the few things I do understand, but then....electrons don't have free will in atoms or molecules - like a hyperactive kid running around the house, but never leaving it.
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Some additional info from CP+ for discussion :)
Article (in Japanese) - http://gigazine.net/news/20140213-pentax-645d-2014-cpplus2014/
Google translation - http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgigazine.net%2Fnews%2F20140213-pentax-645d-2014-cpplus2014%2F&act=url
Article (in Japanese) - http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html
Google translation - http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F20140214_635195.html
And some photos from article with my notes
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One of the few things I do understand, but then....electrons don't have free will in atoms or molecules - like a hyperactive kid running around the house, but never leaving it.
I think I got my story wrong -
here is a summary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem)which I guess is correct, thanks to the Gods of Wikipedia.
I sometimes wonder whether there is a quantum of understanding, which you can get right or wrong :)
Edmund
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Superwide zoom especially for digital MF zoom lens
(written in ideograms in the last image)
Edmund
Some additional info from CP+ for discussion :)
Article (in Japanese) - http://gigazine.net/news/20140213-pentax-645d-2014-cpplus2014/
Google translation - http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgigazine.net%2Fnews%2F20140213-pentax-645d-2014-cpplus2014%2F&act=url
Article (in Japanese) - http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html
Google translation - http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F20140214_635195.html
And some photos from article with my notes
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Most interesting news from the article I think is that the price is becoming one million yen or less, that is less than $10K, ie about the same as the old model.
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Some additional info from CP+ for discussion :)
Article (in Japanese) - http://gigazine.net/news/20140213-pentax-645d-2014-cpplus2014/
Google translation - http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgigazine.net%2Fnews%2F20140213-pentax-645d-2014-cpplus2014%2F&act=url
Article (in Japanese) - http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140214_635195.html
Google translation - http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fnews%2F20140214_635195.html
And some photos from article with my notes
9811.00US. Good looking body and April shipping. Hope they are ramped up. I I wish I still had me 35mm FA it was a good copy.
Paul C
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Most interesting news from the article I think is that the price is becoming one million yen or less, that is less than $10K, ie about the same as the old model.
As I understand this price is prediction of person who interviews Ricoh representative, not the statement of Ricoh.
Here is citing of one member of PentaxForums.com, where he describes article in short:
"The first part is just a brief introduction of Ricoh Imaging booth at CP+. You can see several photos of gears like a 645D 2014, a TELEPHOTO MACRO lens for Q, a Film duplicator, a RICOH WG-4 GPS/WG-4, and a RICOH WG-20.
The second part is Mikio Tanaka's interview with Pentax's Yasuyuki Maekawa. Mikio Tanaka is a famous photographer in Japan. Here is Mr. Tanaka's forecast on the 645D 2014:
40-50 megapixel image sensor
SAFOX XI for AF sensor
3 fps
102400 or 204800 for the highest ISO
withstand 100,000 shutter releases
USB 3.0
live view with video mode
tethered shooting or multi-exposure like the K-3
less than $10,000
Mr. Maekawa didn't comment on whether Mr. Tanaka's prediction is correct or not, though Mr. Maekawa hinted some:
The 645D 2014 uses the same sensor as Phase One's digital back.
The sensor size is changed from 44×33mm of the current 645D, but no big change.
The price should be reasonable.
To change the shutter speed from 1/4000 to 1/8000 is difficult.
SR is difficult due to the sensor size.
Use FLUCARD regarding to Wi-Fi"
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As I understand this price is prediction of person who interviews Ricoh representative, not the statement of Ricoh.
Okay, still wait and see then... it seems likely though. If the camera had to be say $20K due to the sensor I don't think they would have chosen it, as it would be too expensive for the current customer base. Unless they intend to sell both in parallel, but it does not look like that.
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Lost me on SR difficult due to sensor size?
WiFi with FLUCARD. Does thus mean no WIFI on the camera?
Usb3 implies they may now have tethering.
Paul C
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We live in a very predictable world, don't we?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Lost me on SR difficult due to sensor size?
I was wondering what that meant too. Thought it was just me.
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I think I got my story wrong -
here is a summary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem)which I guess is correct, thanks to the Gods of Wikipedia.
Why didn't they just say: Zeno's Paradox!
I sometimes wonder whether there is a quantum of understanding, which you can get right or wrong :)
Edmund
We're in it. Ever heard of Schrödinger's Medium Format Camera? It could be CCD or CMOS, but you have to buy to find out.
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I was wondering what that meant too. Thought it was just me.
SR means Shake Reduction. Pentax DSLRs (with aps-c format sensors) have in body shake reduction system where sensor is moving to reduce handshake effect on camera. Ricoh representative, as I understand, by his saying means that there is difficult to implement qualitative sensor shake reduction system on big sensors.
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We're in it. Ever heard of Schrödinger's Medium Format Camera? It could be CCD or CMOS, but you have to buy to find out.
Does killer cat photos.
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Does killer cat photos.
With some ghosting.
Edmund
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Does killer cat photos.
I think you mean cat-killer photos, though with only a 50% keeper-rate (if you remember the fates of Schrödinger's cat).
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I think you mean cat-killer photos, though with only a 50% keeper-rate (if you remember the fates of Schrödinger's cat).
Precisely.
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Only if you develop the images and then look at them.
I wonder whether by entanglement you can have a second camera that is given to your aptly named evil twin called 'Curiosity" who does the cat-killing on *your* side by viewing *her* photographs ?
Edmund