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The Art of Photography => But is it Art? => Topic started by: Isaac on November 13, 2013, 09:58:42 am

Title: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 13, 2013, 09:58:42 am
Landscape photography!

http://www.paulgaffneyphotography.com/We-Make-the-Path-by-Walking
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 20, 2013, 08:53:21 am
Overdone HDR, Isaac. You disappointed me though. I thought maybe I'd finally see an Isaac picture.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 20, 2013, 11:47:27 am
Overdone HDR

What are you looking at?
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 20, 2013, 03:13:02 pm
Landscape photography for people who don't like 'landscape photography'. Lovely.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 20, 2013, 03:18:26 pm
Yeah. I goofed. There was no indication that a click on the picture would bring up another. The first one is overdone HDR, but there are some pretty good shots in there. Unfortunate about the web design.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 20, 2013, 03:52:43 pm
I don't understand your reference to 'overdone HDR'. You mean the first picture of the forked path?
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 20, 2013, 04:22:04 pm
The first one is overdone HDR...

What makes you think that? Seems ordinary for an overcast spring day before there's full leaves on the trees.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 20, 2013, 05:43:58 pm
Really? You think it's possible to bring up that much detail in the lows in that kind of picture under those circumstances? This is one of the reasons I'd like to see some of your work, Isaac. It would give me at least a clue about your understanding of this stuff.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 20, 2013, 06:25:53 pm
'Overdone HDR', according to Google. Is this really what you're seeing in Gaffney's work? I'm perplexed!

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=overdone+hdr&num=100&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZkSNUqXmCoishQf9oYCgCA&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1438&bih=720
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 20, 2013, 06:44:11 pm
Really? You think it's possible to bring up that much detail in the lows in that kind of picture under those circumstances?

I think you need to go for a walk in the woods on a bright overcast winter's day :-)
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 20, 2013, 07:12:26 pm
This has nothing to do with the woods on a bright winter day. I grew up in the woods and I'm very familiar with bright winter days. This has to do with the capabilities of the camera. If you actually were familiar with the practice of photography you'd know that, Isaac.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: amolitor on November 20, 2013, 08:32:30 pm
I think Russ's point is that the first picture, with the path and the road forking off from one another, looks extremely flat. "overdone HDR" often means popped colors, halos all over the place, and ugly tonemapping. What Russ means, I suspect, is HDR that is taken to the extreme of crushing all the shadows and modeling out of existence.

This is also a way you can use HDR and you can certainly argue that it's "overdoing it". I think there's the potential for a genuinely new aesthetic here, one that uses things which are not shadows to solve the problems that shadow and modeling usually solves for us. I don't think this picture is a good example, though. It just looks crummy and flat. The problems normally solved by shadows and modeling are not solved, nor are they defied, they're simply left there unsolved.

I am not myself certain that it's HDR, it could just be really unfortunate and unpleasant lighting, to my eye. Regardless, the problems solved by shadows and modeling are not solved in this picture.

Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 21, 2013, 10:14:23 am
Right on, Andrew, and thanks. I probably shot too fast from the hip and didn't explain enough. Your explanation is right on the money. Yes, there are at least two ways to overdo HDR, and irrational exuberance when tone mapping the lows is one of them. Irrational exuberance when tone mapping everything is the other. A well-done HDR looks exactly like a properly exposed non-HDR, but it was shot in a situation where the dynamic range would have made the picture impossible as a single exposure.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 21, 2013, 11:47:29 am
It just looks crummy and flat. The problems normally solved by shadows and modeling are not solved, nor are they defied, they're simply left there unsolved. ... I am not myself certain that it's HDR, it could just be really unfortunate and unpleasant lighting, to my eye.

Let's be charitable and allow that the photographer also understands what could have been done, and instead chose to photograph in flat light.

What does the photographer intend to achieve by that choice?
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 21, 2013, 12:07:45 pm
What does the photographer intend to achieve by that choice?

Maybe demonstrate that he doesn't know what he's doing?
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 21, 2013, 12:53:42 pm
Shooting too fast from the hip again.

Let's be charitable...
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 21, 2013, 01:32:34 pm
Bullseye!
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 21, 2013, 01:37:54 pm
Presumably you mean that you're shooting too fast from the hip again. Well if you think that's something to brag about...
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 21, 2013, 02:44:08 pm
Europe looks like this on a cloudy day. It has nothing to do with HDR.

You think the photographer is clueless. You find his work ugly.

Fortunately others disagree:

http://www.paulgaffneyphotography.com/News

Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 21, 2013, 02:56:42 pm
For what it is worth, HDR, let alone "overdone" one, would not be the first thing coming to my mind seeing the first photograph.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 21, 2013, 03:21:06 pm
Well, it wasn't the first thing that came to my mind either, Slobodan. That was: "What a dull picture of a dull scene." Then I realized that the blahness of the picture probably came from some unnecessary HDR work: maybe using something like HDR Efex Pro in its single frame mode.

On the other hand, once I found that it was possible to click the picture and see another picture and another, etc., I realized the photographer is capable of some really good work. It's unfortunate that the site is so unintuitive and that the first picture is the blahest of the lot.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: kencameron on November 21, 2013, 03:36:57 pm
Maybe demonstrate that he doesn't know what he's doing?
Reading the thread up to the post before this, I have found only one participant who has, for reasons best known to himself, been working hard to give the impression that he doesn't know what he is doing - or at least what he is saying.

On the first image, Elliot is on the money. The flatness in the light is part of what the photographer is trying to depict, and anyone who has done much walking in the woods in Europe would have seen what he sees. Why would he think it worth making a photograph out of it? For me it works quite nicely as a kind of "anti landscape", alluding to and rejecting the conventional aesthetic of landscape photography and reminding the viewer of how the landscape often actually looks.
 
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 21, 2013, 04:20:39 pm
alluding to and rejecting the conventional aesthetic of landscape photography

Without which, the emphasis moves to the path.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 21, 2013, 07:31:27 pm
. . .reminding the viewer of how the landscape often actually looks.

I suspect most viewers older than two don't need to be reminded that the landscape often looks uninteresting.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: amolitor on November 21, 2013, 09:57:14 pm
Well, he's specifically going for non-dramatic. Quiet and contemplative. I don't think we need to draw on the eldritch powers of International Art English to explain the pictures.

I think it's possible that the opening photo on his web site works better in the context of the book. The collection shown strikes me as a mixed bag of "small" scenes. The smallness and lightness is obviously by intent. There's a bright tonality coupled to a flatness of light that goes through most of these photos which strikes me as a deliberate attempt to hit that "quiet contemplative" note. They all look misty, basically. I can imagine a pretty decent portfolio that would hit that note, and would include the pictures on the web site.

The web site itself is, I assume, a subset of the larger portfolio, and may be an effort to illustrate the breadth of the thing, destroying any overall structure that might be present. Without some portfolio structure, I think a lot of the pictures kind of fall apart, they're not strong enough to stand alone. Not that I am saying there IS definitely some structure into which all these fit, only that I can believe there could be. The book could well be a disorganized mess of weakish pictures too, for all I know.

Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 21, 2013, 10:06:27 pm
I suspect most viewers older than two don't need to be reminded that the landscape often looks uninteresting.
+1.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 22, 2013, 01:53:13 pm
I suspect most viewers older than two don't need to be reminded that the landscape often looks uninteresting.

There are people who are interested; people who are interested when they are shown and people who are not interested. (With apologies to Da Vinci.)
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: kencameron on November 22, 2013, 04:40:12 pm
I don't think we need to draw on the eldritch powers of International Art English to explain the pictures.
What to me needs explaining is how an image that at first glance certainly does look like "a dull picture of a dull scene" can nevertheless be interesting. Of course, if you don't find it interesting, you will move on to something else. "Quiet contemplative note" and "misty" don't do it for me because they don't address content. I think we need to start with the idea that the photographer intended his image to look exactly the way it looks, and then work out why. There. Plain enough English for you?
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: kencameron on November 22, 2013, 05:21:17 pm
I suspect most viewers older than two don't need to be reminded that the landscape often looks uninteresting.
Indeed. So why would a photographer choose, as the opening image to a web presence, such a nothing bit of landscape? Your explanation would seem to be that he doesn't know what he is doing. After looking at his other work, I don't find that persuasive.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 22, 2013, 07:16:45 pm
Hi Ken, I'd say the poor fellow has the same problem most of us have,  he doesn't understand marketing. His first picture is blah, and there's nothing on that web page to indicate that if you click on the first picture you'll get a second picture, etc. If somebody's trying to make a buck in photography, marketing skill is far more important than competent photography. If you don't believe that, take a walk through any small town and check out the "portrait and wedding" studios. Yes, the guy is a competent photographer, but why that nothing picture heading his web? He may be a competent photographer but that doesn't mean he "knows what he's doing"
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 22, 2013, 07:29:24 pm
... there's nothing on that web page to indicate that if you click on the first picture you'll get a second picture...

Well there's a rather large arrow icon. Are you new to the internet?
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on November 22, 2013, 07:44:15 pm
Oh yeah! Now I see those tiny < and > way out at the edges. Yeah, I'm pretty new to the internet. I've only been building webs for about fifteen years.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Alan Klein on November 22, 2013, 08:27:51 pm
He's making a political statement.  The title "We Make a Path By Walking" is displayed with two paths formed by wheeled devices.  Check the ruts made by wheels in the path.  Of course the scene looks "dead".
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 23, 2013, 04:26:48 am
Dead or not, it's sure had a lot of comment!

The problem isn't the content: the problem is that he's done nothing creative with it.

It reminds me of the flat snaps that come out of my Nikon Capture NX2 compartment and appear anew in 'My Images', from whence I either forget them forever or try to make them look different to the pancake make-up of which they remind me. Of course, this instantly reveals the intrinsic aesthetic superiority of transparencies.

There's one shot within his collection that I really like: the 'underneath the bridge' one.

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 26, 2013, 01:16:55 pm
The problem isn't the content: the problem is that he's done nothing creative with it.

Isn't that just your general opinion of landscape photography --

Landscape, at best, is just a copy of nature from the most favourable vantage point that the snapper can find or perhaps access; he has added nothing of his own other than the angle of view, which is hardy creative but certainly a good use of judgement.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2013, 03:55:25 pm
Isn't that just your general opinion of landscape photography --




More or less, and I think he's helped prove my point somewhat.

However, 'under the bridge' isn't about landscape, it's about atmosphere and 'hand of homo sapěens' on the natural world.

Now, don't misunderstand my opinion about landscape: I do believe that good landscape work is exactly that: good work. It requires a lot of technical excellence and also a good eye: witness Michael R's recent Icelandic (pre-banking collapse?) images. And there, for me, it ends. So let's not get all steamed up about it again - just a personal opinion and worth no more than that.

Speaking of which, the early shots in the video I mentioned elsewhere, Inside Job, have some wonderful, scene-setting Icelandic landscapes; the visual quality of the video is superb. At least, I noticed it at the start, but the subject rapidly moved the brain from visual pleasure to message mode!

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 26, 2013, 04:05:59 pm
However, 'under the bridge' isn't about landscape, it's about atmosphere and 'hand of homo sapěens' on the natural world.

Isn't that also true of the other photographs? The wheel ruts noted by Alan Klein.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 26, 2013, 04:19:20 pm
Isn't that also true of the other photographs?

Indeed. We make the path by walking.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2013, 04:10:32 am
Isn't that also true of the other photographs? The wheel ruts noted by Alan Klein.


In the literal sense, I agree, but in the artistic one - in my sense of that meaning - not at all. Might as well depict a farmer's field and because it contains a haystack, that's hand of man. It sure is, but in a totally boring and unremarkable way, which marks the difference between art and simple observation.

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 27, 2013, 08:12:14 am
It seems to me that the project is quite specifically about the ways in which man makes pathways across the landscape, and how these pathways offer openings (or closings) to the journeying photographer. Haystacks would be off topic.
 
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jjj on November 27, 2013, 10:39:18 am
For what it is worth, HDR, let alone "overdone" one, would not be the first thing coming to my mind seeing the first photograph.
Yup. Looks just like a straightforward shot from my iPhone (with the HDR turned off).

BTW, the HDR Feature in iOS 7 is vey impressive. Looks like it works on the raw image data.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2013, 11:39:34 am
It seems to me that the project is quite specifically about the ways in which man makes pathways across the landscape, and how these pathways offer openings (or closings) to the journeying photographer. Haystacks would be off topic.
 


What about bridleways? Would horses have rights to being on topic, or only if mounted at the time?

I just lurve the concept of the opening and closing of metaphorical doors: makes me feel all artistic and terribly creative again. Positively rejuvenating!

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jjj on November 27, 2013, 12:20:19 pm
Time to go for a stroll with camera then Rob. Maybe throw a dice at each juncture to see where to go.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 27, 2013, 02:51:51 pm
Dice? I do the Euromilliones every week - no need to be rash! Shucks, I even bought an expensive part-ticket to the National Christmas Lottery!

In fact, I won the price of the EuroMil ticket on Tuesday, with about 17 cents on top! So, I either buy two coffees or a new ticket next week - guess I may as well reinvest in the business.

Dice? I don't gamble.

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jjj on November 27, 2013, 03:12:37 pm
Er, the lottery is gambling. With even less chance of winning than usual. Particularly the Euromillions. Which is why it often goes for weeks without anyone winning. Despite two draws a week.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 27, 2013, 03:50:06 pm
For haystacks, look at the work of James Smith:

http://j-smith.co.uk/temporal-dislocation/
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jjj on November 27, 2013, 04:36:54 pm
With work like particular set of James Smith's or that in the original post, it looks completely indistinguishable from so many other photographer's work. There seems to be nothing of the photographer involved in the shot whatsoever. It's like a template of blankness.
And I should add, it's not that I dislike the style or anything.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 27, 2013, 04:41:50 pm
The Bechers have a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: WalterEG on November 27, 2013, 04:43:40 pm
The Bechers have a lot to answer for.

Do deities in the pantheon have to answer to anything?

Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 27, 2013, 04:58:02 pm
With work like particular set of James Smith's or that in the original post, it looks completely indistinguishable from so many other photographer's work. There seems to be nothing of the photographer involved in the shot whatsoever. It's like a template of blankness.

Sure, both photographers are shooting in a similar style (levelled large format cameras, flat lighting, subdued colour palette). But I don't think their work is interchangeable. They are pursuing their own themes, across series of pictures. This is how their personalities, or at least their thought processes, are revealed.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jjj on November 27, 2013, 04:58:27 pm
The Bechers have a lot to answer for.
They didn't make people copy their work. Or did they……. :o
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 04:16:08 am
Er, the lottery is gambling. With even less chance of winning than usual. Particularly the Euromillions. Which is why it often goes for weeks without anyone winning. Despite two draws a week.


Ummm - I think I knew that when I wrote...

Re. EuroM: but eventually, somebody always does win, and the money rolls over until they do, and it's as easy or difficult to pěck seven numbers on one gamble as on any other. It's pure chance. The prize is bigger due to more contributed cash, and the win size, actual money won in any grouping, will depend on the number of others lucky within that same grouping too; if only one guy gets the lucky set of digits he wins the lot, if more than one get the same set of numbers they share the prize.

And it runs right down to two numbers, which I've had a few times; even made three now and then, but it's just peanuts at that level - cups of java.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 04:31:28 am
Do deities in the pantheon have to answer to anything?




Walter, beware the sounds of gathering thunder!

March and its Ides would be nothing compared to what a Photo-god could wreak! Just think Lord Digital.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on November 28, 2013, 07:34:05 am
Hmm, this talk of deities, pantheons and euromillions is going over my head.

Isaac, why did you post the link to Paul Gaffney's work in the first place?

(Perhaps your commentary, 'landscape photography!', needs to be unpacked?)
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2013, 10:59:26 am
Hmm, this talk of deities, pantheons and euromillions is going over my head.
Isaac, why did you post the link to Paul Gaffney's work in the first place?

(Perhaps your commentary, 'landscape photography!', needs to be unpacked?)



Elliot, it's all educational - wear lifts.

;-)

Rob C
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on November 28, 2013, 12:12:19 pm
Isaac, why did you post the link to Paul Gaffney's work in the first place?

I thought others might be interested in them. I wondered about the obvious vehicle tracks and roadways, not paths. I was interested by the absence of ancient pathways and grand scenery.

As a contrast to "Landscape & Nature Photography (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0)".


(Perhaps your commentary, 'landscape photography!', needs to be unpacked?)

Probably a reference to whatever else "The Art of Photography" was preoccupied by at the time.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Ray on November 30, 2013, 06:51:13 pm
I thought others might be interested in them. I wondered about the obvious vehicle tracks and roadways, not paths.

Sometimes the path is not so clear, as in attached image.  ;)


Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: wmchauncey on December 02, 2013, 08:47:34 am
When ya come to a fork in the path...take it.        ;D
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jjj on December 02, 2013, 10:23:23 am
Sometimes the path is not so clear, as in attached image.  ;)
And which is why these got invented…… :P

(http://gruenagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/compass-old11.jpeg)

Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Michael Hoth on December 04, 2013, 10:41:26 am
i found this series quite interessting and dynamic. not always those too colorful sunset pictures or blue sky dreams.
the picture is not interessting itself but in the context of the series, its great.


best michael
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on December 04, 2013, 01:10:41 pm
Good! That's one reason I posted the link. The other reason was to see the negative comments ;-)
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on December 30, 2013, 08:52:17 am
Overdone HDR

Quote
"I've never used HDR and to be honest I wouldn't even know how. I'm not a particularly technical photographer and I do very little post production. I use one camera, one lens and I just get out and do it..."

Paul Gaffney
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on December 30, 2013, 09:43:56 am
That's interesting, but it doesn't change the way it looks.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on December 30, 2013, 02:04:08 pm
It's simply confirmation that your summary judgement has no merit.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 30, 2013, 02:36:15 pm
It's simply confirmation that your summary judgement has no merit.

It has to him.

If Russ thinks it looks like HDR to him, then it looks like HDR to him.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Rhossydd on December 30, 2013, 04:57:57 pm
If Russ thinks it looks like HDR to him, then it looks like HDR to him.
It still makes him wrong though.

Looking at the image in question I can't see why anyone would think it's HDR, let alone 'overdone'.
A rather nice photo IMHO. I always think there's far too much emphasis on gaudy 'golden hour' shots that bare little resemblance to how most people experience the landscape.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: RSL on December 30, 2013, 07:19:02 pm
If you "experience the landscape" bare, watch out for cops.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: jasonchickerson on January 10, 2014, 11:49:34 pm
I'm late to the party but I think some of these are quite nice and a nice departure from the standard cabin in front of distant mountains.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Digital Finger on April 16, 2014, 05:34:15 am
RSL appears to have a very different understanding to everyone else of what HDR is.

http://www.paulgaffneyphotography.com/We-Make-the-Path-by-Walking

I find that first image interesting, now that I have looked at it far longer than I would had there not been this discussion about it, and find that after looking for more than a little while it changes ( not unlike those 3D scrambled images do) so that now I see (almost) a line down the middle, well just left of the middle, which makes it look like two images taken in very similar light stitched together, and that makes it interesting, to me.

I don't think that trompe-l'oeil was the photographer's intention or perhaps it might be, if only we were able to converse with him about this.

However if we read that last page of that series (Tip: you don't have to actually click on the little arrows, just on the image, and it will go to the next in sequence, it's a technique borrowed from computer games and quite common now on ordinary websites - an useful technique to know as many sites use this device :p ) Paul explains his thinking behind these images, or non-thinking, if he attained the state he aspired to.

He says he wants to 'communicate a sense of the subtle internal and psychological changes...." Note the word 'subtle'. So I would have thought that the use of HDR would be somewhat perverse and unlikely in the extreme.

His goals , it seems to me, are not dissimilar to those of a high proportion of 'contemplative' photographers, and whether he succeeds here or not will depend very much on the eye of the beholder.

Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on April 16, 2014, 06:22:30 am
http://www.photomonitor.co.uk/2014/03/we-make-the-path-by-walking-3/
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on April 16, 2014, 01:35:09 pm
…if only we were able to converse with him about this.

He was kind enough to respond to my email, after a while.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: David Jilek on May 11, 2014, 10:06:35 am
I see the first image as one of decision. If we internalize the image and look beyond the literal landscape and be still the image really comes to life. it is the presence of tire tracks and walking paths. The proof that someone tried to drive up the walking path but stopped and then continued down the usual road. The image begs the question...What path would you take? Travel down the same easy path or choose your own intimate path.
  This image reminds me of Robert Frosts "The Road not Taken". It has a quality that is complex yet seemingly simple.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: petermfiore on May 11, 2014, 10:31:26 am
I see the first image as one of decision. If we internalize the image and look beyond the literal landscape and be still the image really comes to life. it is the presence of tire tracks and walking paths. The proof that someone tried to drive up the walking path but stopped and then continued down the usual road. The image begs the question...What path would you take? Travel down the same easy path or choose your own intimate path.
  This image reminds me of Robert Frosts "The Road not Taken". It has a quality that is complex yet seemingly simple.

I agree. Too many dismiss images because it's is not a way they would interpret the subject. This is the point, an individuals vision.

Peter
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: 250swb on May 13, 2014, 07:23:08 am
I'm late to the party but I think some of these are quite nice and a nice departure from the standard cabin in front of distant mountains.

After wading through this thread myself for the first time, and taking the trouble to check out peoples web links by way of clarifying their views, I think your comment is pretty much spot on and made me laugh as well.

And it highlight's what it seems this thread has evolved into, a discussion by photographers who's perfect picture is a barn and blue sky, and those who like some intellectual meat to their photography. And my point is made by using the words 'picture' and 'photography' to separate the two schools.

Steve
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Peter_DL on May 29, 2014, 03:19:26 pm
'Overdone HDR', according to Google. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=overdone+hdr&num=100&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZkSNUqXmCoishQf9oYCgCA&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1438&bih=720)

In some way I like it as an abstract style.

However if we read that last page of that series ... Paul explains his thinking behind these images, or non-thinking, if he attained the state he aspired to.

I got caught by the final comment as well - inspiring - not so much supported by the actual photos
(just one click on the arrow left from the starting image (http://www.paulgaffneyphotography.com/#We-Make-the-Path-by-Walking)).


Peter

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Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on May 29, 2014, 05:29:26 pm
iirc seems like more images are shown now.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: elliot_n on May 29, 2014, 08:32:19 pm
I like his work, but others have walked this path before him - Bustamante, Sternfeld etc...
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on June 06, 2014, 11:52:42 am
… but others have walked this path before him…

I'm tempted to quote Ecclesiastes but this seems more likely to open up discussion -

"Think it's all been done before? No one has done
 this in your unique voice, at this time, in this
 context. Be authentic and do it anyway (http://books.google.com/books?id=kc8WAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA2&dq=%22Design%20school%20wisdom%20%3A%20make%20first%2C%20stay%20awake%2C%20and%20other%20essential%20lessons%20for%20work%20and%20life%20%22&pg=PA6#v=snippet&q=%22Think%20it's%20all%20been%20done%20before?%22&f=false)."
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Peter McLennan on June 07, 2014, 11:11:52 am
These images remind me of Ansel's comment about sharp pictures of fuzzy concepts. For me, most of them have very little value. 

But then, that's what I think of Jeff Wall's work, too.  And many $$$ disagree with me on that point.
Title: Re: We Make the Path by Walking
Post by: Isaac on June 07, 2014, 01:18:48 pm
Jeff Wall's work

I suppose I didn't look and didn't question when I first saw reproductions of Jeff Wall's photos -- I gave up without realizing the implausibility, silly me.