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The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: wmchauncey on October 31, 2013, 02:19:47 pm

Title: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on October 31, 2013, 02:19:47 pm
No, it's not the Beatles...but don't know what to do with these swans which is part of a series of three images

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/379U2587-copy.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/379U2587-copy.jpg.html)

I think that they're getting lost in the water...have made numerous detailed selections. Suggestions?
Want drama...
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 31, 2013, 02:22:16 pm
Contrast their golden light with bluer water?
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on October 31, 2013, 03:10:13 pm
I allowed myself to do a slightly exaggerated edit:

Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on October 31, 2013, 06:05:10 pm
In the past I've gone with both a light and a dark background...

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/airborne1-copy.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/airborne1-copy.jpg.html)

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/airborne1-high-key-copy.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/airborne1-high-key-copy.jpg.html)

Which might you prefer...or is there another direction that I might try?
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: fike on November 01, 2013, 10:04:46 am
Unless you want to do something much more interpretive like chauncey has, I would suggest you crop it more tightly and work towards a wider aspect ratio.  The capture is excellent, but slightly churned water like this is rarely a great background. Normally I would suggest not trying with water like this, but the light on the birds is wonderful and the splashes in their wake are really pretty.  I would crop more of the bottom and top.  this will make it wider and reinforce the movement from right to left.  If this version is cropped at all, I would preserve as much to the left of the swans as possible.  If you are into it, you could even do a content aware scaling in photoshop to stretch that left-hand area out a bit. 
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: brandtb on November 01, 2013, 10:16:48 am
as with previous poster...the main thing is getting the crop right...the crop as first posted...is working against your subjects.
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Chris Calohan on November 01, 2013, 10:22:02 am
I didn't mess with the crop but did some changes to the color of the water to provide a stronger contrast. Also popped up the brighter points of light in the water near their feet.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2814/10609271014_c2eace99ee_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on November 01, 2013, 05:52:01 pm
There is nothing wrong with the composition. It allows for a breathing room, space for birds to fly into, sense of place. Crop it too much and you get a crammed feeling. The OP is 8x10 ratio, so with different paper sizes it might withstand some cropping at top and/or bottom, but that's about it.

It is already fine as is. One may play a bit with white balance, contrast, clarity, etc. to season it to taste, though. This would be mine version:
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: davidh202 on November 01, 2013, 08:37:12 pm
I like that  new version Chris .The water is a bit warmer than Slobodans and more fitting with the lighting.
I would not crop the top at all but it could stand slightly more than 1/8th taken off the bottom to make the birds coming out more from the corner and room to fly into the top.

David
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wolfnowl on November 02, 2013, 03:15:10 pm
Well, since everyone has an opinion, when I first looked at it I saw this.  Ideally there'd be a little more space behind them, and it would be better if they were taking off and not landing, but you can't have everything!

Mike.
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on November 02, 2013, 03:33:55 pm
All you guys are doing is arguing over the crop aspect...I'm looking for "vision" from the Post Processing perspective.     ???
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Christoph C. Feldhaim on November 02, 2013, 03:40:55 pm
All you guys are doing is arguing over the crop aspect...I'm looking for "vision" from the Post Processing perspective.     ???

Dude - did you see my awesome super-duper motion blur ? Thats vision ! :P
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on November 02, 2013, 07:05:51 pm
Aah...not exactly what I had in mind Chris.      ;)
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wolfnowl on November 03, 2013, 01:25:18 am
Here ya go

Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Tonysx on November 03, 2013, 07:17:32 pm
All you guys are doing is arguing over the crop aspect...I'm looking for "vision" from the Post Processing perspective.     ???

Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: stamper on November 04, 2013, 03:55:44 am
Darken the corners to make the area around the swans appear lighter?
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Ed Blagden on November 04, 2013, 07:49:47 am
How 'bout this?

Increased exposure slightly and upped the highlights, then added a vignette.  Finally I painted all the OOF water and reduced clarity.

Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on November 05, 2013, 08:57:00 am
Took you all's advice and ended with this...another one from the series. What say you guys?

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/swan-take-off.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/swan-take-off.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Harald L on November 05, 2013, 09:42:37 am
The neck could be a bit brighter and the back has a strong blue cast which should be removed.

Harald
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: stamper on November 05, 2013, 09:55:07 am
Harald is correct. :)
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on November 05, 2013, 11:22:56 am
Got it, thanks      ;)
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: Ed Blagden on November 06, 2013, 04:15:51 am
Took you all's advice and ended with this...another one from the series. What say you guys?

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/swan-take-off.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/swan-take-off.jpg.html)
.

I prefer the first image - the two swans make it a much stronger composition.
Title: Re: Won't you please help me
Post by: wmchauncey on November 08, 2013, 08:59:39 am
I took two image from the series to work on...got these results,

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/three-swans-flying-copy-2.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/three-swans-flying-copy-2.jpg.html)

(http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l383/chauncey43/two-swans-landing-copy.jpg) (http://s329.photobucket.com/user/chauncey43/media/two-swans-landing-copy.jpg.html)