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Equipment & Techniques => Landscape & Nature Photography => Topic started by: Roman Racela on September 24, 2013, 09:55:00 am

Title: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 24, 2013, 09:55:00 am
Here's one from the White Pocket area at the tail end of the monsoon season.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/romanwarrior/_MGL9038_zpsbcc7d98a.jpg) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/romanwarrior/media/_MGL9038_zpsbcc7d98a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: langier on September 24, 2013, 10:32:01 am
Nice!
Title: Re: Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 24, 2013, 02:19:02 pm
Nice!

It sure is!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 24, 2013, 06:10:44 pm
Thanks for viewing guys and the compliment :)
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Peter McLennan on September 24, 2013, 09:09:43 pm
Sensational!  I gotta find that location next spring.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 24, 2013, 09:41:25 pm
It's a trippy location. It's like being on a different planet!

Tip: bring a 4X4 truck/SUV or you won't get past the 1st set of sandy trails :)

Sensational!  I gotta find that location next spring.

Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Paulo Bizarro on September 24, 2013, 10:35:56 pm
Very dramatic photo, well done.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on September 25, 2013, 03:43:31 am
I'll join in the chorus of approval: that's really good.

Jeremy
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 25, 2013, 05:09:43 am
Thank you for the approval, Paulo.

Very dramatic photo, well done.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 25, 2013, 05:10:56 am
Thank you, Jeremy. I'm glad you liked it.

I'll join in the chorus of approval: that's really good.

Jeremy
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: francois on September 25, 2013, 06:50:22 am
Very nice and spectacular. It's one of my favorite place.
Bravo!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 25, 2013, 10:17:01 am
Thank you, Francois! It's one of my faves too! :)

Very nice and spectacular. It's one of my favorite place.
Bravo!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: MartinSpence on September 25, 2013, 03:31:24 pm
Class - love the line leading in to the frame..
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 25, 2013, 06:10:07 pm
It's like a big snake slithering into the frame. I think I'll call this image SLITHER. :)

Class - love the line leading in to the frame..
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: JohnAONeill on September 25, 2013, 07:20:01 pm
That's really cool. Wish I had some landscape like that to shoot ;-) well done.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 25, 2013, 08:09:53 pm
Thank you, John.

You are just a plane ticket away from this place...and a 4x4 off-road vehicle ;)

That's really cool. Wish I had some landscape like that to shoot ;-) well done.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: alexgard on September 30, 2013, 07:20:22 am
Quite tasteful. Not overcooked at all. Well done mate.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 30, 2013, 03:26:12 pm
Thanks Alex. I sometimes like to push it to the limit, but not far enough that I overcook the image...but then again what overcooked to others may just be medium rare to me :)

Quite tasteful. Not overcooked at all. Well done mate.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: dhancock on September 30, 2013, 05:03:38 pm
Your colors are superb!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 30, 2013, 05:44:12 pm
Thank you, Daniel.

Your colors are superb!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 30, 2013, 06:03:43 pm
Looks like I am the only voice of dissent: grossly overcooked.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 30, 2013, 06:11:57 pm
See. What's medium or medium well to me maybe already chewy and overcooked to others.

Looks like I am the only voice of dissent: grossly overcooked.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 30, 2013, 06:19:41 pm
See. What's medium or medium well to me maybe already chewy and overcooked to others.

Note to self: never order well-done in Roman's restaurant ;D
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on September 30, 2013, 06:24:17 pm
Hahaha. You will be feasting on leather, but I'll give you a nice steak knife to cut it in smaller bite sized pieces.

Note to self: never order well-done in Roman's restaurant ;D
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: markadams99 on September 30, 2013, 11:34:57 pm
Looks like I am the only voice of dissent: grossly overcooked.
Yes, I'm surprised there's so little dissent as the image looks blatantly over-dramatized to me.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 01, 2013, 12:44:45 am
Mark -  I'll have to blame mother nature and the monsoons for giving me a shitty image to begin with. Nature on occation could be blatant. :)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/romanwarrior/Untitled-1_zpsee5a8d27.jpg) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/romanwarrior/media/Untitled-1_zpsee5a8d27.jpg.html)
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: markadams99 on October 01, 2013, 01:01:34 am
Roman, that's a good riposte, but against the evidence I'm surprised at an out of camera RAW image with such HDR'd and stressed looking clouds together with a well-lit foreground.

For what it's worth I prefer the 'unclarified' image, tho that's still too blatant for me.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 01, 2013, 01:12:52 am
3-stop Split ND Soft Grad Lee Filter does the trick for me. But I hear what you're saying...

Roman, that's a good riposte, but against the evidence I'm surprised at an out of camera RAW image with such HDR'd and stressed looking clouds together with a well-lit foreground.

For what it's worth I prefer the 'unclarified' image, tho that's still too blatant for me.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Tony Jay on October 01, 2013, 06:27:16 am
Late on this one I know but I think Roman has hit the jackpot here with this shot.
With this quality of image a few interpretations are possible each of which would be magnificent.

Wonderful

Tony Jay
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 01, 2013, 10:16:14 am
Who are you and what did you do to the esteemed members of this forum???

It is known to happen on occasion, that an individual member's account is hijacked, but this is unheard of ...that members identities are hijacked en masse.

How do i know? The real members of this forum are known to hate HDR-look, especially its nuclear version, with a burning passion, filling 17 pages with passionate contributions to the thread appropriately named "Do you hate HDR too?"

 :P
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 01, 2013, 10:57:05 am
Haha. I actually hate HDR too. But I think there are times when HDR is okay, but I prefer dropping an ND filter and exposure blending to HDR. The "problem" with this image is that I didn't do any HDR. What I hate most about HDR is the fringing and haloing that happens when you do it...and that's why I don't even bother with HDR.

As for the question, who am I? I'm just me. :)

Sorry for hijacking member's accounts. I will give you back your login passwords now. :P


Who are you and what did you do to the esteemed members of this forum???

It is known to happen on occasion, that an individual member's account is hijacked, but this is unheard of ...that members identities are hijacked en masse.

How do i know? The real members of this forum are known to hate HDR-look, especially its nuclear version, with a burning passion, filling 17 pages with passionate contributions to the thread appropriately named "Do you hate HDR too?"

 :P
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on October 04, 2013, 06:34:08 pm
I love the composition, the light and the leading lines etc., but the gnarly clouds not so much.

Dave
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 08, 2013, 04:18:16 am
I suppose I could have toned down the gnarly clouds...

I love the composition, the light and the leading lines etc., but the gnarly clouds not so much.

Dave
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 08, 2013, 04:19:57 am
I animated a few pics I took before calling it a night. :)

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/romanwarrior/storm_zps063cad68.gif) (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/romanwarrior/media/storm_zps063cad68.gif.html)
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Peter McLennan on October 08, 2013, 10:53:59 am
Amazing image, Roman.  The contrast between the clouds, stars and the lightning strike must be enormous.

Tell us how you made this complex animation.

Please?  : )

Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 08, 2013, 11:19:27 am
Thank you. Peter. The process was quite simple. I just created an animated GIF in PhotoShop CS6 using the timeline feature. It probably took me less than 5 minutes to put this together. Anyone can easily do it :)

This animation uses 4 consecutive shots. I had my camera set at f2.8, ISO 100, 25 secs shutter speed with a 30 sec interval in between shots. I used a Canon intervalometer to automate.

It actually rained at White Pocket that night so I was a bit worried being swept away by a flash flood.

Amazing image, Roman.  The contrast between the clouds, stars and the lightning strike must be enormous.

Tell us how you made this complex animation.

Please?  : )


Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: John Koerner on October 08, 2013, 12:03:44 pm
Note to self: never order well-done in Roman's restaurant ;D

Double entendre, Slobodan?

I love the image, and yes, the colors of Nature sometimes do pop unbelievably ;D


.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: NancyP on October 08, 2013, 12:32:52 pm
Wow, a great image!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 08, 2013, 11:25:13 pm
Hahaha. Yeah. Slobodan meant that literally and figuratively. :)

Double entendre, Slobodan?

I love the image, and yes, the colors of Nature sometimes do pop unbelievably ;D


.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 08, 2013, 11:25:54 pm
Thank you, Nancy.

Wow, a great image!
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Wolfman on October 09, 2013, 03:33:13 am
Roman, great image. What vehicle in the photo handled the road into White Pocket? I have a Subaru Crosstrek all wheel drive. Do you think it would handle the road in?
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 09, 2013, 11:23:16 am
Thank you, Wolfman. I have a lifted Toyota 4Runner 4x4. I think the Subaru Crosstrek has enough ground clearance to get to White Pocket.

Roman, great image. What vehicle in the photo handled the road into White Pocket? I have a Subaru Crosstrek all wheel drive. Do you think it would handle the road in?
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: KMRennie on October 13, 2013, 06:24:07 pm
As a newcomer to this forum I probably shouldn't comment but I like the image until I see the clouds which look overcooked, I see the ACR shot and the clouds look fine to me. Whatever has been done to them has been applied uniformly and it makes the clouds uniform with little or no sense of depth.
Ken
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on October 14, 2013, 01:06:15 pm
... until I see the clouds which look overcooked...

Somehow people assume that if it is OOC, it can not be overcooked. Well, it can. Using a wrong GND filter strength (as it was the case here) results in overcooking at the shooting stage.

Late Galen Rowell was occasionally criticized for that too. However, in his defense, he was among the pioneers in using GND and can be forgiven for being carried away on occasion. Also, given his shooting technique, ie, traveling/running/climbing light, often with just one (smallish) camera and one lens, he can be forgiven for not carrying with him the whole assortment of GND strengths. At the same time, shooting slides, he could not reverse the effect in post-processing as easy as we can do today.
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 14, 2013, 06:21:00 pm
Ken, it's a free country (if you're in the U.S....well I hope it's still is) so you can voice your opinion. ;)

I totally see everybody's point about the clouds. I'm almost sure I used a 3-stop ND so applying any and all global edits at post affected the clouds. The clouds looked angry already and a 1-stop ND would have worked. I'll play with the image a bit and see what happens.


As a newcomer to this forum I probably shouldn't comment but I like the image until I see the clouds which look overcooked, I see the ACR shot and the clouds look fine to me. Whatever has been done to them has been applied uniformly and it makes the clouds uniform with little or no sense of depth.
Ken
Title: Re: White Pocket at Grand Staircase Escalante
Post by: Roman Racela on October 14, 2013, 06:32:24 pm
I appreciate the comment. I agree with you and sometime I do forget that I can overcook an image even at OOC. The 3-stop ND may have been too much. I think I'll play the the image again. I'll edit the RAW file and tone down the sky a bit and then blend the two and see what happens. I'll fiddle with it until it looks...well, around medium/ ;)

I'll post a 2nd edit and see if the sushi lovers will like it :P

Man...you're right about Galen Rowell. The first time I visited his gallery, I was a bit surprised that some of his images were medium well to well done. I was thinking that his slides were digitized and them Photoshopped to give it that look. Like you said, he may have used too much ND back in the day.

I saw some of Tom Till's work at his gallery and he really fries a few of his work to a crisp. But then again, what I think is overcooked maybe not be to him and others...and is making him some good $$$.

Somehow people assume that if it is OOC, it can not be overcooked. Well, it can. Using a wrong GND filter strength (as it was the case here) results in overcooking at the shooting stage.

Late Galen Rowell was occasionally criticized for that too. However, in his defense, he was among the pioneers in using GND and can be forgiven for being carried away on occasion. Also, given his shooting technique, ie, traveling/running/climbing light, often with just one (smallish) camera and one lens, he can be forgiven for not carrying with him the whole assortment of GND strengths. At the same time, shooting slides, he could not reverse the effect in post-processing as easy as we can do today.