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The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: Chris Calohan on September 12, 2013, 08:59:02 am

Title: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 12, 2013, 08:59:02 am
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5468/9728696667_6b2945c0b4_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Moonrise, sunset
Post by: Harald L on September 12, 2013, 10:00:58 am
Nice shot. The colors of the water are impressive in particular the greenish foreground. Does the grass shine?

Harald
Title: Re: Moonrise, sunset
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 12, 2013, 10:02:21 am
Very peaceful.
Because everything rises in the east and sets in the west, I think this is the start of a moonset.
Title: Re: Moonrise, sunset
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 12, 2013, 10:12:53 am
Very peaceful.
Because everything rises in the east and sets in the west, I think this is the start of a moonset.

Possibly So. Thanks for the info. (I changed the title  ;D)
Title: Re: Moonrise, sunset
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 12, 2013, 10:14:26 am
Nice shot. The colors of the water are impressive in particular the greenish foreground. Does the grass shine?

Harald

Sorta kinda. If it's wet, it gets more of a glow to it but dry, it's pretty much matte green/yellow-brown/gray.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: David Eckels on September 12, 2013, 10:49:23 am
Very well done, Chris, IMO.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: graeme on September 12, 2013, 05:34:19 pm
Lovely image Chris, almost reminds me of a Hiroshige print. Bet it looks great printed big.

Graeme
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: dhancock on September 12, 2013, 05:54:39 pm
Looks great!
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on September 12, 2013, 06:09:39 pm
Lovely image Chris, almost reminds me of a Hiroshige print. Bet it looks great printed big.

Graeme
I bet it does.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 12, 2013, 08:42:45 pm
... Because everything rises in the east and sets in the west, I think this is the start of a moonset.

Huh!!!???

That is a full moon (or close) so a sunset is accompanied by a moonrise.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 12, 2013, 08:54:04 pm
Actually, I think it was a sunrise and a waxing moon (just barely). I shot this same shot for several months until I got everything in the right place at the right time. So let's call it Moon Over Pretty Bayou and let it be.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 12, 2013, 09:01:31 pm
Lovely image Chris, almost reminds me of a Hiroshige print. Bet it looks great printed big.

Graeme

It does have that look now that you mention it. Perhaps a little of Hokusai or more contemporary, Hasui. I like Japanese block prints.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 12, 2013, 10:21:14 pm
Huh!!!???

That is a full moon (or close) so a sunset is accompanied by a moonrise.

Sure. I assume we are looking W.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: louoates on September 12, 2013, 10:39:01 pm
I don't care what sets where. I do care about a wonderful photograph. And this is it.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: David Eckels on September 13, 2013, 09:02:59 am
I don't care what sets where. I do care about a wonderful photograph. And this is it.
Both the sun and the moon set in the west. And it is indeed a wonderful photograph.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 13, 2013, 11:30:50 am
Actually, I think it was a sunrise...

Out of curiosity, can you check EXIF and tell us the exact date and time?
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 13, 2013, 12:15:55 pm
No...I do know from other images made around that time it was shot between 5:30 am and 6:10 am, sun is rising to the east (right side of the frame). As to whether it is a waxing or waning moon...can't remember. This was an archived image that I decided deserved a better process that the original image.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 13, 2013, 12:58:05 pm
Ah! Moonrise, sunrise.  ;D
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 13, 2013, 01:14:43 pm
Ah! Moonrise, sunrise.  ;D

Please educate me then (no sarcasm here). While it might sound like unnecessary hairsplitting, I am trying to learn something, so bear with me.

I've been under impression so far that, at fool moon, sunset coincides with moonrise, thus sunrise with moonset. While, as you said, "everything rises in the east and sets in the west," it happens at different times of day, thus again, when sun rises in the east, moon sets in the west, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 13, 2013, 02:21:06 pm
I've been under impression so far that, at fool moon, sunset coincides with moonrise, thus sunrise with moonset. While, as you said, "everything rises in the east and sets in the west," it happens at different times of day, thus again, when sun rises in the east, moon sets in the west, and vice versa.

Yes, at full moon, moonrise occurs around sunset.

Chris' nice image shows moonrise and sunrise in the east. The moon came up before the sun.

The moon travels around the earth once each 28 days, so every day it rises roughly an hour later.

The moon's times and positions are complex... it used to take an old planetarium program of mine a good half-minute to provide moon data.

It might be helpful to download a free planetarium program. Set the time interval to one day and watch the sun and moon move over a year.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 13, 2013, 02:46:38 pm
This is like sitting with the Science Guy. I learn something new everyday on this forum.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 13, 2013, 05:26:35 pm
... Chris' nice image shows moonrise and sunrise in the east. The moon came up before the sun...

... It might be helpful to download a free planetarium program...

Well, I did.

What it shows is that every time the moon "came up before the sun" it was in the waning crescent phase.

Chris' nice image shows a waning/waxing gibbous moon, possible only when the moon is on the opposite side of the Earth, thus rising when the sun is setting and vice versa.

Therefore, it is a sunrise, moonset after all. :)
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: David Eckels on September 14, 2013, 09:48:26 am
Well, I did...Therefore, it is a sunrise, moonset after all. :)
Whew! Glad we got that figgered out! Too funny.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 14, 2013, 02:14:13 pm
Not so fast, Dave!  ;)

It grieves me when my friends are wrong. Hopefully they feel the same way about me.

Full moon: moon and sun are on opposite sides of the earth. Moon fully illuminated. Rises at sunset. Sets at sunrise. (All of these statements vary with latitude and month.)

After full moon: rises roughly an hour later each night. First late in the evening, and after a few days, after midnight, and then well before sunrise. Which is what Chris photographed.

Slobodan wrote: "Chris' nice image shows a waning/waxing gibbous moon, possible only when the moon is on the opposite side of the Earth, thus rising when the sun is setting and vice versa."

Right, it is waning (getting smaller each day after full moon), and gibbous, and more opposite than not, and  --- rising before the sun.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 14, 2013, 04:38:28 pm
Chris, buddy, help!

I am not sure why is it so difficult to look into the exif and tell us date and time, but if so, can you at least remember month and year it was taken?

It would save me enormous amount of time, believe me. I mean, in the same time it takes me to persuade Scott, I could have sold dozen ice makers to Eskimos, for god's sake!

P.S. Note to self: do not try to sell anything to Scott.

;D

Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: David Eckels on September 14, 2013, 04:45:21 pm
ROFLMAO
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 14, 2013, 05:34:18 pm
1/16/2011, 4:59:31 PM f/5 1/100 ISO 500...oh dare I say, it was a sunset after all...
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 14, 2013, 06:06:40 pm
... It grieves me when my friends are wrong. Hopefully they feel the same way about me...

Absolutely ;D

Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 14, 2013, 07:33:49 pm
4:59:31 PM.

Well at least we can all get some sleep tonight.  :D

Here's another lunar puzzler for you, Slobodan. Taken at local noon in December. Is it rising, or setting?
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on September 14, 2013, 08:51:28 pm
... Here's another lunar puzzler for you, Slobodan. Taken at local noon in December. Is it rising, or setting?

Rising.

December 27th, 2012, northern Sweden?

Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: sdwilsonsct on September 15, 2013, 11:38:35 am
Rising.

December 27th, 2012, northern Sweden?

I would have said close to nadir. Note the position of the sun. This is at 68°N.

Bang on re time and place, although actually Dec 31 2009.

So, Chris: you were right: moonrise, sunset. My mistake was thinking we were looking west.
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 15, 2013, 12:29:56 pm
I would have said close to nadir. Note the position of the sun. This is at 68°N.

Bang on re time and place, although actually Dec 31 2009.

So, Chris: you were right: moonrise, sunset. My mistake was thinking we were looking west.

Well, as my mama was prone to say to me whenever I had a particular euphony, "ever so often a blind pig finds the acorn." You don't know how many folders I had to dig through to find that file... ;D
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: davidh202 on September 15, 2013, 09:41:14 pm
Pretty Chris, but over sharpened- evidence in tree halos, and horizon tree line. sorry but I really dislike halos. They are passable in a small rendition of a file, but really  evident in enlargements ;)
Title: Re: Moonset, sunset (Moon over Pretty Bayou)
Post by: Chris Calohan on September 15, 2013, 11:28:29 pm
You're seeing jpeg compression as the original file has no haloes and printed nicely at 11 x 14 and again at 16 x 20.