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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Schewe on April 15, 2013, 03:36:56 pm
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Check out the Lightroom Journal (http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/04/lightroom-5-beta-now-available.html) for more info.
The LR 5 is at Adobe Labs (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom5/).
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Finally we can now see how everyone works with and likes/dislikes Smart Previews. Game changer or not your cup of tea?
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WHAT???
no snowleopard support anymore???
not amused
Z
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no snowleopard support anymore???
Nope...10.7 and above only because LR5 requires OS level services that are not there in 10.6.x.
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Dwnloading it, description on LRJ looks great, Ca't wait to use it on some portraits and beauty/fashion images.
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I'm downloading now, I like the description of new features. Can't wait to play around with them.
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Check out the Lightroom Journal (http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/04/lightroom-5-beta-now-available.html) for more info.
The LR 5 is at Adobe Labs (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom5/).
I am already in the process of setting this LR5 Beta up so I can give it a try.
Going to use an extra USB 3 external drive to store the images so not to mess up anything up with my main catalog.
Jeff will you and Michael be producing a new video with LR5?
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Hi all,
when trying to create a new catalog, Lr 5ß 1 crashes :(.
OS is Windows 8 64-bit with all MS fixes applied.
Lr 4.4 runs great.
Robert
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No issue creating a new catalog in Win 7 64
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WHAT???
no snowleopard support anymore???
not amused
Z
me too, not amused...
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Jeff will you and Michael be producing a new video with LR5?
Yep...Mike and Chris are coming to Chicago early May to shoot it...note however, the plan is to produce a "LR5 Upgrade" video, not reshoot the whole LR4 tutorials...Because a lot of the features are essentially the same except for the LR5 new features. More news about this soon from Chris!
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Downloading now...
The new perspective, level, ... corrections look awesome...
The new spot removal on steroids looks quite interesting also...
Personally, not very interested in the oval mask, but I can understand while a huge amount of people are interested on it...
Nice that you three (Michael, Jeff, and Chris) are starting to record new videos :)
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Initial thoughts with Lr5 Beta
Spot Healing Tool - it's changed obviously. You can kind of draw the shape you want.
Pros
1. You can customize the shape
2. The "visualize spots" option is convenient and seems to work well
3. Have the ability to clone out some items as long as the surrounding area fits it pretty well
Cons
1. You don't have a lot of control (size, shape, opacity, clone, heal). That seems like enough, but "heal" will let the object you are trying to remove show through. Clone generally doesn't match texture very well, so you see the spot. Some amount of "feathering" would help here I think.
2. The "matching" engine sometimes chooses something wildly inappropriate for the area (this is when attempting to clone out something).
Overall it's a nice addition with improved functionality. I put it through a difficult test, but I think for simpler edits it may work just fine (taking a leaf out of the sky for example). I don't think it will keep you out of Ps if you have any heavy cloning/manipulation to do.
LAB color reading
SO happy to have this, I understand the coordinates much easier than looking at RGB percentages. Way to go Adobe.
Radial Filter
Seems to work by isolating what's in the filter, though I haven't played with it extensively yet. Example, surrounding and object with it then decrease exposure.. everything around the filter decreases exposure. Your object remains the same as before. It does seem to feather the adjustment from the edges in. I can see this working pretty nice in certain situations.
***Edit: You can invert the behavior. I had an idea to use it to "fix" a sky where I used an CPL on a wide angle lens. I have to say, it works pretty darn good. You have all the same functions you would with a normal graduated filter.
Performance seems about the same overall, although I only imported about 50 images to play with. I'd say it's a worthwhile upgrade so far.
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I am still puzzled as to why so many people rush to provide free software testing to a multi-billion dollar corporation. I am paying for this program and I expect it to work properly right from the start. If you want me to test your new software, I will send you my rate sheet. Otherwise, bugger off.
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Hello Peter,
I think it's pretty simple. We both "pay" for the software. Personally, I'd rather pay for something I might have had a small part in making better and/or more suitable for my own selfish needs vs. paying for well.. you get what you get. I don't think I'm getting cheated, I've written plenty of code in my life... and I'm paying for the nicety of not having too. Of course, opinions vary.
Regards,
John
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Personally, I'd rather pay for something I might have had a small part in making better and/or more suitable for my own selfish needs vs. paying for well.. you get what you get.
Agree, well said!
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Yep...Mike and Chris are coming to Chicago early May to shoot it...note however, the plan is to produce a "LR5 Upgrade" video, not reshoot the whole LR4 tutorials...Because a lot of the features are essentially the same except for the LR5 new features. More news about this soon from Chris!
Thanks Jeff. Will be looking forward to the upgrade video as I always find theses videos you guys produce very helpful.
Stu
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If you want me to test your new software, I will send you my rate sheet. Otherwise, bugger off.
Nobody is twisting your arm to download and test the public beta, right? I mean, it's not like Adobe put a gun to your head? So, I wonder who it is that should bugger off?
Personally, I like to test new software before the software is released because it allows me to learn, in advance, how my tool will work once I get the final retail release. The functionality in LR5 offers useful improvements to usability and image quality.
The beta is not really intended for production work and existing LR catalogs can not be upgraded (although the beta catalogs and previous catalogs will be able to be upgraded in the final GM release).
So, test, don't test...that's up to you (and no, I don't think you should send your rate card off to Adobe, I really doubt they need your input).
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Can you run both simultaneously - 4.4 and 5? I'm hesitant to install it if I won't also have a stable version on hand. Some of the new features sound great.
Sharon
Absolutely, although I don't have them running at the same time. I copied a few images from my Lr4 catalog to a separate location, and imported them into the Lr5 beta catalog to mess with. Installing Lr5 Beta doesn't interfere with Lr4 in any way that I can tell.
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Hi all,
when trying to create a new catalog, Lr 5ß 1 crashes :(.
OS is Windows 8 64-bit with all MS fixes applied.
Lr 4.4 runs great.
Robert
Same here but with Win7 64bit. Everything works well in V4. Any ideas?
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Same here but with Win7 64bit. Everything works well in V4. Any ideas?
Check this thread (http://forums.adobe.com/message/5237845#5237845)...it's believed to be some sort of preferences issue.
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LR5 actually picks up some (all?) of your LR4 settings and preferences, except, at least, for your backup preferences.
It took me a while to download it late this afternoon, but the problem was on my desktop machine. My laptop had no problem. Installation on the desktop went smoothly, as did the import of some of the images I wanted to test. I played with the new heal tool, which didn't impress me, and the radial filter, which looks like it may be very useful.
Obviously, I will spend more time with each in the next few weeks.
Alan
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This relentless upgrade cycle has become sickening... People hardly got to learn v.4 and we are already on v.5!?
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I had expected the Sport Removal - Healing tool (aka, Advanced Healing Brush) to behave like the CS6 Spot Healing Brush Tool, but it seems the main change is the ability to paint an area rather than clicking on a single spot. In other words, just click on something unwanted to make it disappear, rather than finding an area to heal from.
Am I missing something?
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I welcome the new features, but disappointed to see no new features in print module!
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This relentless upgrade cycle has become sickening... People hardly got to learn v.4 and we are already on v.5!?
It's hardly a chore to learn the new LR5 features as most of them are refinements or variations of existing tool paradigms and some like the vertical correction tool simply make one's life much much easier. :)
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I welcome the new features, but disappointed to see no new features in print module!
Scott Kelby's favourite new feature seems to be the ability to save your own templates in the Book Module. A tiny change, but a huge improvement for many users I'd imagine..
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WHAT???
no snowleopard support anymore???
not amused
Same here, no go for now.
That may change if Apple decides to upgrade the Mac Pro in the coming weeks. It will become a non issue if they don't as I'll probably have become a Win 8 user.
I wonder how good the new radial thing is compared to U Point. U Point is not just a radial selection tool, it is an automatic mask generation utility that is both very easy to use and extremely powerful.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I wonder how good the new radial thing is compared to U Point. U Point is not just a radial selection tool, it is an automatic mask generation utility that is both very easy to use and extremely powerful.
It's good, but it's not the same thing as the U Point. The radial doesn't really select/mask anything other than the area you constrain it too. Think of it as a shape adjustable graduated filter, that also lets you adjust the gradient in a somewhat spherical manner. It works pretty good I've played around with it on a few images.
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That may change if Apple decides to upgrade the Mac Pro in the coming weeks.
Actually, running the LR5 beta was the reason I upgraded my MacPro Tower to Lion...(but not 10.8 yet). I've found no issues and it seems as many things are smoother and a bit faster with 10.7 than 10.6 (which I still have as a dual boot partition).
So, I'm glad I updated to 10.7 and LR5 was the reason.
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Check this thread (http://forums.adobe.com/message/5237845#5237845)...it's believed to be some sort of preferences issue.
Thank you. This worked.
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I welcome the new features, but disappointed to see no new features in print module!
Yes, but it is a beta, so there may be hope yet.
Brian A
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Actually, running the LR5 beta was the reason I upgraded my MacPro Tower to Lion...(but not 10.8 yet). I've found no issues and it seems as many things are smoother and a bit faster with 10.7 than 10.6 (which I still have as a dual boot partition).
Yep... I wouldn't mind doing that now as of 10.8.3 if my Mac Pro 2,1 supported 10.8... :-(
Cheers,
Bernard
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There was a running thread for over 15 PAGES LONG!!!, Have ANY of the requests in that thread been implemented? At least the most popular?
I sure hope they can add a button to "Duplicate gradient or Radial" before the final release. I'm sure it is more about GUI space vs the command, as I think it should be a snap to add.
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Is there any improvement or any adjustments made for the RAW processor/sliders?
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...In other words, just click on something unwanted to make it disappear, rather than finding an area to heal from.
Am I missing something?
Not sure what you mean. You paint in the area you want to disappear, then choose the area with the same shape you want to replace it. Lightroom makes an automatic selection of that area, but not always very well, so you can move it.
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There was a running thread for over 15 PAGES LONG!!!, Have ANY of the requests in that thread been implemented? At least the most popular?
I sure hope they can add a button to "Duplicate gradient or Radial" before the final release.
Pretty sure that already works in LR5...hold down the command/option (I think-I'm on my iPad and can't check)
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So, does it finally have a Color Sampler Tool - like its big brother ACR?
D.
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Hmmm....no reports yet about speed issues. Are you guys REALLY testing it? ;) ;D
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Actually, running the LR5 beta was the reason I upgraded my MacPro Tower to Lion...(but not 10.8 yet). I've found no issues and it seems as many things are smoother and a bit faster with 10.7 than 10.6 (which I still have as a dual boot partition).
So, I'm glad I updated to 10.7 and LR5 was the reason.
Hi Jeff, can you please point me to an explanation/how to on dual boot partition. Sounds like that might work for me if I want to upgrade to LR5. I have a bit of software that I want to keep using and it won't work past 10.6.8 (spectraview II for my old but still fine 2690wuxi). I'll have to dig around as well to see if I can upgrade to 10.7 instead of 10.8. All they show on the apple site is 10.8.
thanks kindly...
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Use disk manager to partition your HD into two drives and then when installing your new OS tell it to install in the new partition.
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Hi,
I believe I remember some hinting about panoramic stitching in the Advanced Guide to Lightroom 4 series. :-) Is the LR 5 feature complete? Or have they saved some good bits for the final release?
Cheers,
Tor Olav
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Not sure what you mean. You paint in the area you want to disappear, then choose the area with the same shape you want to replace it. Lightroom makes an automatic selection of that area, but not always very well, so you can move it.
The CS6 spot healing brush does not require a replacement area. The LR5 implementation is an improvement over older version, both in the ability to paint and, it seems, in the implementation algorithms, but it's not as good as the CS6 spot healing brush. The LR5 version is closer to the CS6 healing brush than the CS6 spot healing brush. Perhaps the difference is CS6's content aware technology.
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Hmmm....no reports yet about speed issues. Are you guys REALLY testing it? ;) ;D
I haven't run into any, although I ran into very few with Lr4 so I may not be a good judge. It does seem a little more speedy when healing dust spots.
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I'll have to download this to try it. I didn't expect a lot of updated features (getting hard to do we have most stuff covered)
I hope the performance is better, LR4 isn't that fast even on fairly meaty pc hardware it's the no. 1 area for improvement IMO
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Hi all,
when trying to create a new catalog, Lr 5ß 1 crashes :(.
OS is Windows 8 64-bit with all MS fixes applied.
Lr 4.4 runs great.
Robert
Robert,
I installed the beta on my Windows 8 64 bit machine and it seems to work fine on preliminary testing. A new catalog was created with no problems. This shows that it can work with Win8.
Bill
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Hmmm....no reports yet about speed issues. Are you guys REALLY testing it? Wink Grin
I haven't run into any, although I ran into very few with Lr4 so I may not be a good judge. It does seem a little more speedy when healing dust spots.
Take a look at the smart previews feature. Select some images which have smart previews generated, then rename the images' folder in Explorer/Finder. Lightroom 5 will now use the smart preview for adjustments, which should be much faster because the raw data in now much smaller. Afterwards, return the folder to its correct name.
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These four images show the respective output from the "Upright" panel with each of the settings turned on.
"full" - I think LR has lost the plot.
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I agree with your statement. Something Adobe will need to look at?
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Hmmm....no reports yet about speed issues. Are you guys REALLY testing it? ;) ;D
I downloaded it last night on a rather old dual-core AMD Thunderbird platform with W7-64bit. With LR4 this is quite slow. I imported a couple of D800 nef's to give it a quick try before going to bed. The import was amazingly quick. So i doublechecked this morning if it really were those 75MB nef files from the D800, yes they are. So far it is quite fast, also have experenced a couple of crashes or hang-up's so i will not install it on my production environment, but will do on my test environment (previous production environment) this evening.
Played a bit with the smart healing on portraits, and that too works fast en quite well i must say. The only issue i found, but has little to do with the functionality, is that if you have shallow depth of field it picks a part to use for the healing that is in the unsharp regions, thus a mismatch for healing spot in the shapr region.
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No issue creating a new catalog in Win 7 64
Likewise.
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Hmmm....no reports yet about speed issues. Are you guys REALLY testing it? ;) ;D
It's par for the course that speed optimization takes place towards the very end of a beta cycle. IOW, if anything feel's sluggish, don't dismiss this as what the final version may feel like. Of course if you find something really slow, file a report.
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Hello Peter,
I think it's pretty simple. We both "pay" for the software. Personally, I'd rather pay for something I might have had a small part in making better and/or more suitable for my own selfish needs vs. paying for well.. you get what you get. I don't think I'm getting cheated, I've written plenty of code in my life... and I'm paying for the nicety of not having too. Of course, opinions vary.
Regards,
John
Good point, John - I was being too harsh.
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The LR journal says that the beta is not a full version release. I'm sure they've just included the pieces where they feel additional testing is helpful.
Given the hints on the last LR tutorial and the delay in Jeff's Printing book I am expecting to see more functionality added at final release. HDR, Stitching, and some type of enhancement to the print section seem to be reasonable guesses at this point. Is two months of beta testing the average turnaround for Adobe?
Me, I am wishing for Sigma DPxM raw support.
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I am expecting to see more functionality added at final release. HDR, Stitching,
I would definitely disagree with that. ::)
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Did they add new features after releasing public betas for prior versions of LR?
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The journal site has this sentence:
IMPORTANT NOTES, PLEASE READ
Primary Known Issues
■Lightroom 5 beta is not complete but please provide feedback on the available enhancements.
so it's not unreasonable to expect that there is more to come. My suggestions above are just speculation but they are based on various comments over the past year.
We currently have to round trip to CS6 for HDR but the raw pipeline and process 2012 was built with HDR in mind. If CS6 is just doing the layering and alignment it doesn't seem too much of a stretch to see it in this release. Stitching and Stacked focus have to be on the near horizon too. Excellent, I just noticed this: :P
;D
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The journal site has this sentence:
IMPORTANT NOTES, PLEASE READ
Primary Known Issues
■Lightroom 5 beta is not complete but please provide feedback on the available enhancements.
so it's not unreasonable to expect that there is more to come. My suggestions above are just speculation but they are based on various comments over the past year.
I think that you over-interpret that sentence. It may mean anything or nothing. Just like "may contain nuts" is no solid indicator that a bag of crisps actually contains nuts.
It makes sense to add significant features / restructuring early on in the development cycle. Then you will have many stages of testing (and time to polish things) before the regular customer swipes her VISA card.
Now, perhaps HDR/pano/focus stacking in 5.1?
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The Adobe team sure make some great features. Just whacked some architecture pictures, and the speed of analysis to make sloppy wide angle pictures is impressive.
The spot heal tools are much better now. I am still would have preferred the same type of spot healing brush as in Photoshop. The brush is not precise enough and doesn't make for an easy or acceptable job in LR5 beta for beauty pix.
The Radial tool albeit seemingly reversed is quite good, adaptable. I cannot figure out why you have to invert the mask to make the select area applicable?
I don't use books so no comment.
Speed seems +/- like a new catalogue in LR4. I have an old Mac Pro anyway which is now relatively slow at everything.
Happy that there are no glaring sweeping changes, as it is such great application for what I do. The changes are small in the UI thus easy to adjust workflow to.
Might have been nice to be on par with C1 with the colour grading in skin tones, etc, but with the Adobe flare in UI design.
I am also happy that LR is still a love between the dev team and users. It shows, is felt and appreciated.
Oh forgot the Smart Preview is good enough reason alone to upgrade. For traveling photographers a perfect way to edit images without having the volume present.
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Use disk manager to partition your HD into two drives and then when installing your new OS tell it to install in the new partition.
ok, thanks...i'll look into doing this...any idea how big the partition needs to be?...besides the OS i guess i'd have LR5, just the application, maybe CS6 as well...think that's all i'd need...
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The Radial tool albeit seemingly reversed is quite good, adaptable. I cannot figure out why you have to invert the mask to make the select area applicable?
It depends on what you want to use it for. Over the years we received many requests for off-center vignettes (think post-crop vignette, but positionable) so we decided to make that the default orientation (direction) of the Radial Filter.
Of course, different photographers take different approaches to editing their images. For example, if you're trying to draw attention to your subject, you can do so by directly emphasizing the subject (use a radial filter with effect on the "inside") or by de-emphasizing the background (use a radial filter with effect on the "outside").
The Radial Filter "invert" setting should be sticky, so if you prefer to have the effect be on the "inside" you can just check the box and leave it that way. :)
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I sure hope they can add a button to "Duplicate gradient or Radial" before the final release. I'm sure it is more about GUI space vs the command, as I think it should be a snap to add.
command/option or control/alt while dragging the pin now duplicates gradients.
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command/option or control/alt while dragging the pin now duplicates gradients.
And Radials and Adjustment Brush pins...(although you can't move and Adjustment brush pin).
BTW, you can now use the arrow keys for nudging spot healing. Command (Control) + arrow moves the destination, Shift/Command (Control) + arrow nudges the source. I have wanted this since spot healing first showed up!
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Robert,
I installed the beta on my Windows 8 64 bit machine and it seems to work fine on preliminary testing. A new catalog was created with no problems. This shows that it can work with Win8.
Bill
Ditto here. No probs on Win 8 64 bit. Def can work if the planets are aligned.
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The second picture, "church-dxo8" is using DxO 8's perspective correction where I define 4 corners of a trapezoid. This is my basis for comparison.
Has anything like DXO or Capture One's ability to define parallel lines or rectangles been included? Any other improvements for perspective correction? Skew, free transform, or parallel line definition would save me a lot of PS time! Anything for distortion center offset w/ shift lenses?
I'll be on Mac OS 10.6.8 until new hardware comes, so I can't check.
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Anything for distortion center offset w/ shift lenses?
That sort of thing would be very, very difficult. Not impossible, but very difficult. As for the rest, Upright work surprisingly well, most of the time. Not all the time but most of the time. YMMV...
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That sort of thing would be very, very difficult. Not impossible, but very difficult. As for the rest, Upright work surprisingly well, most of the time. Not all the time but most of the time. YMMV...
Yeah, it's an annoying issue for what I imagine is a small set of users. I have a few procedures to deal with it, but more convoluted than I'd like.
Capture One's tool works pretty well for shift though.
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Skew, free transform, or parallel line definition would save me a lot of PS time! Anything for distortion center offset w/ shift lenses?
Hi Alan,
Although not the best workflow, because it requires a roundtrip to another application but, a panorama stitching application should be able to perform correct optical projection corrections (and use better resampling algorithms than bicubic). Hugin (http://hugin.sourceforge.net/) is a free open source application one could try.
In those applications, keystoning is usually corrected by defining a few 'vertical' control point pairs, one can even 'use' that to correct for lens distortion based on a single image input. Similar 'horizontal' control points can be used for squaring the subject. There are also offset parameters for the optical center.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi Alan,
Although not the best workflow, because it requires a roundtrip to another application but, a panorama stitching application should be able to perform correct optical projection corrections (and use better resampling algorithms than bicubic). Hugin (http://hugin.sourceforge.net/) is a free open source application one could try.
In those applications, keystoning is usually corrected by defining a few 'vertical' control point pairs, one can even 'use' that to correct for lens distortion based on a single image input. Similar 'horizontal' control points can be used for squaring the subject. There are also offset parameters for the optical center.
Cheers,
Bart
Thanks Bart,
Yeah, PTGui is one of my typical methods - also nice because it includes exposure blending in the same app. Other options I employ are custom PS actions based on shift amount, or Capture One's Shift setting. I should do a comparison of all these methods in a new post sometime...
It just annoys me how clunky LR's perspective controls are when you need to correct two axes. (It works pretty well for quick 1-axis adjustments.)
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Robert,
I installed the beta on my Windows 8 64 bit machine and it seems to work fine on preliminary testing. A new catalog was created with no problems. This shows that it can work with Win8.
Bill
Hi Bill,
many thanks for your help !
The fix fromthe Adobe forum to delete the prefs-file and have Lr recreate it solved the problem for me.
Robert
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A bit of a workaround. Would be nice if LR allowed you to toggle between working on the original or on the smart preview.
Take a look at the smart previews feature. Select some images which have smart previews generated, then rename the images' folder in Explorer/Finder. Lightroom 5 will now use the smart preview for adjustments, which should be much faster because the raw data in now much smaller. Afterwards, return the folder to its correct name.
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Did they add new features after releasing public betas for prior versions of LR?
They did. Lens correction in LR3 was not in the betas. Working with 32 bit images was not in 4.0 but was added in 4.1 IIRC
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A bit of a workaround. Would be nice if LR allowed you to toggle between working on the original or on the smart preview.
Very good idea :)
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Yes, I'm not sure how changing a folder name could be called anything other than a workaround. Hopefully there will be a button before too long.
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I sure hope they can add a button to "Duplicate gradient or Radial" before the final release. I'm sure it is more about GUI space vs the command, as I think it should be a snap to add.
By this do you mean (for example) duplicating an adjustment brush to increase the effect?
I've often had to use an Adjustment Brush twice on an entire image to get the BG totally black (for example). Each go around can take 10 to 15 minutes on a complex flower image.
Would be so nice to simply click on the pin, and duplicate it.
Glenn
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By this do you mean (for example) duplicating an adjustment brush to increase the effect?
I've often had to use an Adjustment Brush twice on an entire image to get the BG totally black (for example). Each go around can take 10 to 15 minutes on a complex flower image.
Would be so nice to simply click on the pin, and duplicate it.
Glenn
It does have that ability, although I'm not sure how to do it.. I recall it being a simple step however. The filters can be moved around after you duplicate them, the brush areas can't of course.
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In Lr 5 you can command-option-click (on Mac) or control-alt-click (on Windows) to duplicate a local adjustment. For linear graduated filter and radial filter adjustments, if you drag (instead of merely clicking), you can also move the duplicated adjustments. A practical example of this is a portrait of two people, and you want to brighten the faces. You create a RF adjustment for one face, and then you want to apply a similar adjustment to the other face. This shortcut makes it straightforward to do that (e.g., cmd-option-drag the 1st adjustment to the other face).
The cmd-option / ctrl-alt modifier shortcut is inspired by Photoshop. For example, in Ps if you have a selection, you do cmd-option-drag / ctrl-alt-drag within that selection to duplicate (and move) that selection.
Local brush adjustments are not (currently) re-positionable but it may be possible in the future.
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Local brush adjustments are not (currently) re-positionable but it may be possible in the future.
But, you can duplicate the adjustment brush in case you want a second application to double up an effect. You just can't move it (yet as Eric says).
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But, you can duplicate the adjustment brush in case you want a second application to double up an effect. You just can't move it (yet as Eric says).
This is precisely what I want to do - I want to create a second brush to double up the effect from the first one - without having to do the entire procedure again.
How is this done?
Glenn
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But, you can duplicate the adjustment brush in case you want a second application to double up an effect. You just can't move it (yet as Eric says).
Seems like a cumbersome work-around for a "sharpness"-slider that cannot create sufficient blur?
-h
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This is precisely what I want to do - I want to create a second brush to double up the effect from the first one - without having to do the entire procedure again.
How is this done?
Glenn
Glenn, I think that what you want to perform it is explained at the end of the second video introducing the new Lightroom 5 features: http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/04/lightroom-5-beta-now-available.html
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To take "Upright" for another test drive...
First, "off" is with no Upright adjustments and a "DxO 8" image corrected using their perspective tool.
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In these four variations...
auto - looks good except that there is still some slope in the building on the far side of the street
level - I'm not sure what it has tried to level as none of the major lines in the image are either vertical or horizontal
vertical - the middle part of the picture (dark brown building area) is close to being properly vertical
full - seems very close to the "auto" image with the top set of windows being quite obviously wrong
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Using windows 8 pro. So how does one switch to lab coordinates?
Jim
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Jim,
Using Win7 I right click inside the hstogram and swtch on LAB readout.
Should be the same on Win8.
Rich
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Just two quuestions about DNG smart previews :
Will all previews be DNG, including the 1:1 ( which still can be deleted after some time) be DNG ?
I tried to create a handful and it was very slow on my Core I5 / 8GB / Win8-64, although the overall speed of Lightroom has been improved. Is this due to debug- code ?
Many thanks for future answer
Robert
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Will all previews be DNG, including the 1:1 ( which still can be deleted after some time) be DNG ?
No...if you look in the folder holding your catalog, you'll see two different Lightroom catalog name/Previews.lrdata which holds the standard and 1:1 previews and a new Smart Previews.lrdata which contains the Smart Previews. Two different beasts...the Smart Previews can take over and allow editing even if the main originals are off-line. Smart Previews also speed the initial Develop preview (quicker to load). The regular and 1:1 don't do anything to help the Develop preview.
If you want to think of it this way, think of Smart Previews as replacing (or augmenting) the fastload option in DNG files.
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Jim,
Using Win7 I right click inside the hstogram and swtch on LAB readout.
Should be the same on Win8.
Rich
Yes, that worked fine. Thanks much Rich.
Jim
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No...if you look in the folder holding your catalog, you'll see two different Lightroom catalog name/Previews.lrdata which holds the standard and 1:1 previews and a new Smart Previews.lrdata which contains the Smart Previews. Two different beasts...the Smart Previews can take over and allow editing even if the main originals are off-line. Smart Previews also speed the initial Develop preview (quicker to load). The regular and 1:1 don't do anything to help the Develop preview.
So, am I right in thinking if you've set LR up to generate Smart Previews there is no point in also having it render the 1:1's?
I'm not so much concerned about the diskspace, but it is clutter and takes time on import
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No...if you look in the folder holding your catalog, you'll see two different Lightroom catalog name/Previews.lrdata which holds the standard and 1:1 previews and a new Smart Previews.lrdata which contains the Smart Previews. Two different beasts...the Smart Previews can take over and allow editing even if the main originals are off-line. Smart Previews also speed the initial Develop preview (quicker to load). The regular and 1:1 don't do anything to help the Develop preview.
If you want to think of it this way, think of Smart Previews as replacing (or augmenting) the fastload option in DNG files.
Hi Jeff,
many thanks for your fast answer ;D !
Does this really make sense - as far as I know DNG's also have previews of the developed raw included. So, we have at minimum 3 images - the DNG raw-material, the incuded preview and the preview inthe LrPreeview folder.
Best wishes
Robert
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So, we have at minimum 3 images - the DNG raw-material, the incuded preview and the preview inthe LrPreeview folder.
Actually, it's more complicated than that...in the main Previews folder, you have the standard preview size (based on your preferences) & the 1:1 size which is used for Library, Loupe, Survey and Compare viewing but not used in Develop. For Develop we have Smart Previews for initial load if on-line or image adjustment if off-line. The Smart Previews are lossey downsampled DNG files whose max dimension is 2550 pixels x whatever. Also stored in the Smart Previews is a reference to the pixel dimensions of the original image so that anything resolution sensitive (like sharpening and noise reduction or grain addition) can be scaled up to the original file. Yes, at 1:1 when off line, you can't view your original image resolution and thus can't accurately see the effects that are resolution dependent but LR does a decent job of "faking it".
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Jeff, many thanks for your extensive and very interesting answer !
Robert
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So far all I have a chance to play with is the radial gradient tool. I am really going to like it. A hearty thanks to the developers for the radial gradient.
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Glenn, I think that what you want to perform it is explained at the end of the second video introducing the new Lightroom 5 features: http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2013/04/lightroom-5-beta-now-available.html
I went to the Lightroom forum - it's explained and discussed there. Victoria Brampton was very helpful.
However, there are some limitations to the process which are well - limiting.
Hopefully these will be "fixed".
Glenn
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I've spent some more time playing with "Upright" and comparing it to DxO's parallel lines feature. Only in very simple circumstances does "Upright" appear to get it right but having said that, equally there are times when DxO's lines feature falls short too.
The problem that the DxO interface has is that it requires me to draw lines on the image. The Lightroom interface doesn't require me to do that but clearly whatever it is using to make guesses about which edges to use is not enough.
Nearly all such images that I have contain visible boundaries where the edges are (contrast, colour change, etc). Rather than draw lines (or have the application guess), I should be able to select an edge as being one that I want to either be horizontal or vertical. I should be able to pick as many such edges across the image as I see fit. Why is this important? Because the lens distortion correction modules in both applications does not always correct the problem so you're still left with curved lines, etc, so the correction required if a line is chosen from the bottom left might be different to the top right.
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Why is the "backup while importing" option missing or at best , now non-obvious to invoke? I understand it won't contain any processing steps I take after that but over the years it has been useful as a form of basic insurance
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I am speculating here Ellis but I wonder if it is not a function of it still being in the beta phase.
I confess that I don't recall the same issue with LR4 beta and I haven't checked anything myself with LR5 beta (it is on a different workstation), but I will check this out myself.
Tony Jay
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Ellis, I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that you are referring to the 'make a second copy' function in the import dialog.
If, so that function is alive and well in beta copy of LR5 in the filehandling subpanel on the right.
If I have the wrong end of the stick I apologise.
Tony Jay
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I am speculating here Ellis but I wonder if it is not a function of it still being in the beta phase.
I confess that I don't recall the same issue with LR4 beta and I haven't checked anything myself with LR5 beta (it is on a different workstation), but I will check this out myself.
Tony Jay
It was there in the Lr2, 3, and 4 betas.
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I see my post didn't get saved for some reason.
I will repeat the gist of it now.
I assume that you mean't the 'make a second copy to' function.
If you did then it is certainly present in my Lr5 beta version.
It is present in the usual place in the file handling subpanel on the right of the import dialog.
If I have the wrong end of the stick I apologise.
Tony Jay
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For some reason I'm not seeing that. I am using the Lr5b in OS X 10.8.3 Here's what I see (screen shot attached):
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For some reason I'm not seeing that. I am using the Lr5b in OS X 10.8.3 Here's what I see (screen shot attached):
Right click on the right side panel and check the File Handling panel. Somehow, you've got it hidden...
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I wonder if you accidentally hid that section. Right click another section on that side of the panel and see if one of the panels is unticked.
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Beta 5 ?? I've just spent the weekend trying it out. All rather underwhelming for me.
The positive notes;
The new healing brush might be useful occasionally. The auto detect function is a joke, but after some intervention it works well enough to be useful.
Responsiveness in the develop module is improved, a little bit.
Auto levelling ? a hit rate of about 5% here, so not a lot of use. I thought the new grid overlay would be useful when levelling images, but it disappears in the crop/rotate window just when you need it, so a fail there.
Auto perspective correct ? A slightly better hit rate, but it doesn't seem to really be that more useful than just using the manual controls.
And that seems to be the best to be said of it.
Radial filter ? just a gimmick I won't use.
Improvements in the book module ? not much at all, Blurb's Booksmart still beats it into the corner and is free.
Hopefully something will turn up in the final release to make it as compelling an upgrade as in the past, but it's not looking worth much to me at the moment.
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Zero features worth paying for here. A few are steps in the right direction but still not good enough to not have to go in PS, so they may as well be absent. Should have been a point release, very blah. I will be totally skipping a version it looks like, for the first time.
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LR5 has some nice tweaks (straightening uprights, healing brush) but I agree with the previous poster that it's more of a half-point release so far.
On the negative side, it sometimes seems to need a kick (or restart) to get going on rendering full-size previews; it sticks on the first one. Speed could also be further improved on developing or importing. (Photomechanic is still the app to beat on the latter score.)
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I am still puzzled as to why so many people rush to provide free software testing to a multi-billion dollar corporation. I am paying for this program and I expect it to work properly right from the start. If you want me to test your new software, I will send you my rate sheet. Otherwise, bugger off.
All software that has the complexity of Lightroom has defects, which the industry refers to as "bugs"; By the time the developers would have time to nearly perfect it, the open market demands that they move on to new iterations and features.
It'll never be perfect and last, that's for sure.
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Schewe:
Right click on the right side panel and check the File Handling panel. Somehow, you've got it hidden...
If it is hidden then it opened up that way after downloading directly from Adobe Labs.
Tony Jay:
Ellis, I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that you are referring to the 'make a second copy' function in the import dialog.
If, so that function is alive and well in beta copy of LR5 in the filehandling subpanel on the right.
Can't find it.
JohnBeardy:
I wonder if you accidentally hid that section. Right click another section on that side of the panel and see if one of the panels is unticked.
As I wrote above, the screen shot is the default state as downloaded from Adobe Labs. I have clicked on the right and left side panels and checked my General and Catalog settings and presets, there is no option for it unless I am completely blind. This is the OS X version (I am running 10.8.3) downloaded on April 17 from AdobeLabs.
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Are you really certain? Here I right clicked on File Renaming and you can see File Handling is unticked.
John
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Hi Ellis,
Like Jeff and John suggested, right click on the panel and make sure "File Handling" is checked. The option to make a second copy to is greyed out when you choose to "Add" photos to the catalog, but available when you choose to "Copy as DNG", "Copy" or "Move".
Cheers,
Whitney
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That did the trick. I do not remember that option being hidden before or unchecking it if it the default state is to show it. Thank you everyone for your help in solving that mystery.
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I found the radial filter very useful in a lot of situations, especially when the linear filter is not possible.
You can be creative and use it in all elliptical shapes to improve sharpness and a lot of things.
Thierry
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When the official launch goes out, I WISH Adobe can add a "This Time" or "Apply" feature to the watermark tool, WITHOUT a force to Update current or Save.
This will allow you to bring up any of the presets and then change it for the one time. This way you keep a basic rough and adjust to unique image situations.
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All software that has the complexity of Lightroom has defects, which the industry refers to as "bugs"; By the time the developers would have time to nearly perfect it, the open market demands that they move on to new iterations and features.
It'll never be perfect and last, that's for sure.
It seems that the open market is quite willing to accept bugs and quirks in exchange for rapid development and many useful features.
This makes software engineering different from, say, building bridges, where the willingness to accept major failures seems to be quite low.
The interesting this is, if you ask people (users), I'd guess that most of them would say that they prefer stability/less crashes, and are willing to pay for it in terms of price and rate of development. Yet, the assumption of a free market suggests that what they get what they are willing to pay for.
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What people say they want when surveyed is often different than what they actually want. This is according to political and commercial pollsters I've worked with.
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The Beta is OS 10.7(Lion)+ compatible only, is it confirmed that this will remain the case in the final release? Apple was shipping machines natively running 10.6(Snow Leopard) as recently as early 2011. It's estimated that close to 50% of Mac users are still using 10.6, with no intention of moving to 10.7/8 any time soon. I have no use for most of the Lion fluff, don't patronize the app or itunes stores, sync, or plan on clouding. If this is the direction Adobe is headed, may have to look elsewhere despite liking their products thus far.
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If this is the direction Adobe is headed, may have to look elsewhere despite liking their products thus far.
Given the way Windows XP users were been dumped off the supported list with LR4, don't be surprised.
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The Beta is OS 10.7(Lion)+ compatible only, is it confirmed that this will remain the case in the final release?
Yes, 10.7+ only...and truth be told, the upgrade from 10.6.8 to 10.7.5 was really pretty painless. I still have a 10.6.8 boot drive for running PPC code in Rosetta, but I have't booted into 10.6.8 in 2 months.
Rumor has it 10.9 isn't too far away...at 10.6.8 toy are 3 OS's behind soon to be 4. You will find more and more lack of support for 10.6.8. You would do yourself a favor not to lag so far behind....
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Thanks for the replies.
I know, I will be assimilated...
Just don't like being herded down a path I might not like , especially when the main motivations are control and profit. Do I really want to trust my data to an industry where the bottom line is paramount? The cloud thing only works as well as the security and maintenance used to support the server farms. Just about every major corporation, including the tech and financial industries, has been hacked. Microsoft was taken down completely for over an hour. Security and maintenance are on the minus side of the balance sheet and Wallstreet don't like that. Then there are the self induced outages and FUBARs. Corporate culture still doesn't quite get digital. Or maybe they do.
In my most paranoid scenario, once the transition to clouding is well on it's way our data will just become another commodity, traded between companies much like mortgages are now. Just because you sign a contract with a service to store your data, doesn't mean that a few years from now that company still has it or even exists(ask Seth Resnick). Social media is paving the way to that outcome.
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Just don't like being herded down a path I might not like , especially when the main motivations are control and profit. Do I really want to trust my data to an industry where the bottom line is paramount?
So, who do you blame, Adobe for supporting current OS's or Apple for forcing users to adopt new OS's? Adobe started developing LR5 and chose to only support the OS's that provided the system level tools that LR5 was developed for–10.7+. LR4 dropped support for Windows XP...LR5 dropped support for Mac before 10.7. There are both financial and technical reasons for these choices...if you see this as a wide spread conspiracy, I suggest wearing tin foil hats and avoid black helicopters because clearly, they are out to get you...
In the meantime, LR5 is a useful although not hug upgrade to LR4. Course, since your system isn't supported, you can't discover this for yourself. In the meantime, I suggest you reevaluate your position on not upgrading your OS. Seem penny wise and pound foolish.
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Hi Jeff -
Not blaming anyone, or seeing a conspiracy. As often repeated in Prizzi's Honor(great film, by the way) - "It's business"
I know I'll have to bite the bullet one day, just not expecting to have to do it due to a photo post processing app. My main point was that 10.6 is not that long in the tooth, and most of the changes in Lion.x seem more for user control than anything else. Not counting turning your computer into a big iPad. Haven't seen much about increasing overall performance.
Usta hang out on the beach at San Onofre, and if you've ever seen an OD green Marine helicopter backlit, they look black and you can't see the markings. And no, I don't glow in the dark.
SC
PS - I'm not paranoid, I know they're out to get me...
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I know I'll have to bite the bullet one day, just not expecting to have to do it due to a photo post processing app. My main point was that 10.6 is not that long in the tooth, and most of the changes in Lion.x seem more for user control than anything else.
Again, you make it harder on yourself, the longer you delay upgrading...you get comfortable and then find yourself in a situation where you are forced to upgrade before you want to and develop a sense of anxiety and resistance to change. I know, been there, done that, got the Teeshirt.
Fact is, Lion isn't so bad and so far is performing better/smoother than 10.6.8 on my 2009 MacPro Tower (with 18.8.4 working fine on my 2011 MacBook Pro). There are more 64-bit libraries in 10.7.x so certain system level functions are faster and apps get an advantage of those libraries too (think LR5).
Yes, I don't care about 90% of Lion and dislike 10.8.x, but I dislike 10.8.x less than Windows 7 (don't get me started on Win 8).
I was reluctant to upgrade my main workstation to 10.7. But when I first got the LR5 beta system requirements, I said, ok...push comes to shove, I'll update. I had saved a Lion "Emergency" installer from when I updated my laptop, so it wasn't all that tough. I set up a dual-boot and went ahead and upgraded. I actually think 10.7.x is better in terms of performance compared to 10.6.8.
Yes, the way Apple is moving forward is irritating...you can only update to 10.7 from 10.6. So anybody running 10.5 must do a two OS jump. OS 10.7 & 10.8 can only be bought via the App Store...and you have to jump through hoops to actually get a real installer.
But, this isn't Adobe's fault...lay the blame at Apple's feet. But, you should really think about moving forward...I "think" you can still get a Lion installer on a thumb drive from an Apple store...backup your boot drive, make sure it's bootable, then do the 10.7 update and make sure all the incremental upgrades to get to 10.7.5. You can upgrade either you main boot drive or your boot backup (as long as you are booted from the backup–you can only upgrade the current boot drive with 10.7/10.8).
Seriously, it wasn't painful...the only thing I had to do was learn how to make my user/Library visible using Terminal and then learn how to turn off all the Lion crap I don't want/need.
But, the longer you wait, the more painful it will be when you are forced to do so.
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Again, you make it harder on yourself, the longer you delay upgrading...you get comfortable and then find yourself in a situation where you are forced to upgrade before you want to and develop a sense of anxiety and resistance to change.
Agreed: Apple's new model clearly favors making frequent, _cheap_ OS upgrades, in pursuit of the ideal that every Mac is running the same version of OS X, with obvious simpifications for users, developers, and sysadmins like me. In other words, the model used with iOS and all other successful mobile device operating systems.
Yes, the way Apple is moving forward is irritating...you can only update to 10.7 from 10.6. So anybody running 10.5 must do a two OS jump. ...
On the other hand, that two OS jump only costs about half as much as a single one of the old bigger, biennial OS X upgrades used to cost. In those days I usually went two versions between OS X upgrades, waiting until new software needed a new OS version, but to paraphrase Steve Jobs, if you are still doing it that way, "you are doing it wrong". I now recommend making each OS X update as soon as the dust has settled and I am reassured that no relevant software has compatibility problems with the new OS X version.
P. S. This does not help people who have a need to run the latest versions of software on Mac hardware that is five or more years old --- the blame there is I think with the overdue update of the Mac Pro line.
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Hey Jeff and Michael, time for a few videos of Lightroom 5? You might want to add some stuff to the great one you did on Lightroom 4.
Just a suggestion.
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I know I'll have to bite the bullet one day, just not expecting to have to do it due to a photo post processing app. My main point was that 10.6 is not that long in the tooth, and most of the changes in Lion.x seem more for user control than anything else.
This isn't true. There are SUBSTANTIAL API changes under the hood, that allow developers to make faster, more maintainable, better applications. These things are not visible to end users, but the facilitate better software, with less code, and are the reasons end users will need to end up upgrading.
Not counting turning your computer into a big iPad. Haven't seen much about increasing overall performance.
Lion and Mountain Lion are every bit as usable as is Snow Leopard. I really don't get this line of reasoning (or accusation, or whatever you call it). The OS is faster, and is in no way "dumbed down" or more iPad like.
Also, using iCloud and storing your data in the cloud (with applications that support iCloud) is totally optional. You don't need to enable it, and if you don't all you lose is the ability to store your documents in the cloud and sync things like documents and mail settings across your computers.
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Update to the latest OSX and be over it ;-)
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This isn't true. There are SUBSTANTIAL API changes under the hood, that allow developers to make faster, more maintainable, better applications. These things are not visible to end users, but the facilitate better software, with less code, and are the reasons end users will need to end up upgrading.
Cat...thanks. I was trying to explain this relating to 10.7 being "better" than 10.6.x and why LR5 dropped 10.6.x because the OS level services...and yes, there's a LOT of under the hood stuff that Apple moved from 10.6.8 to 10.7.5. The 64-bit libraries and the low level OS services are significant improvements for recent Mac CPUs...
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The 64-bit libraries and the low level OS services are significant improvements for recent Mac CPUs...
Jeff,
While true and good to have innovations going (we all want LR to run decently fast), what is Apple's take on color management other than breaking things.
Based on a recent bad experience with Keynote in terms of color management, and communications with Apple, I have no faith this company gives a poop about color management any more. Just not on their radar.
Andrew got me a bit worried here. I am now reluctant to apply point updates in OSX 10.8 let alone installing future 10.9.
Jaap
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While true and good to have innovations going (we all want LR to run decently fast), what is Apple's take on color management other than breaking things.
Andrew got me a bit worried here. I am now reluctant to apply point updates in OSX 10.8 let alone installing future 10.9.
10.7.5 and 10.8.4 is fine...as long as you understand the implications. But as it relates to current Epson printers, PS CS6, LR4 & LR5 beta, I have no particular CM at the moment (note, I no longer rely on any Rosetta apps).
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10.7.5 and 10.8.4 is fine...as long as you understand the implications.
Thank you Jeff,
Well I understand implications, but obviously most of us don't know what Apple is up to and it doesn't bode well from what Andrew seems to (not) get back from Apple. So it will be a matter of cautiously updating/upgrading OSX as well as LR in the future especially if there is a technical dependency as now with LR5b.
Good luck with the Upright shots ;) (BTW are you planning to use a T/S lens too?)
Jaap
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Good luck with the Upright shots ;) (BTW are you planning to use a T/S lens too?)
Naw, that would be cheating what Upright can do...we want to challenge Upright, not give it an easy time!
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Naw, that would be cheating what Upright can do...we want to challenge Upright, not give it an easy time!
Hi Jeff,
What Jaap probably was curious about, and it's quite relevant if that was his motivation for asking, is how much loss is involved with resampling (still bicubic?) compared to the real thing, optical data. It would most certainly be interesting for some people to actually see what the compromise amounts to, and if it therefore is a usable alternative.
One might even compare to a better (although less convenient) software solution, in the form of a Panorama Stitcher's perspective correction, which can use higher quality resampling algorithms.
Why stop at making a video tutorial that shows the software at work (we can try that ourselves), instead of adding some really useful information about image quality and trade-offs?
Cheers,
Bart
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There is always going to be some loss of resolution resampling image data (or preservation of detail along with artifacts). On the other hand, Upright can also provide results (in terms of scene content) that would have been hard to get directly via an optical system. So it is a tradeoff, with each approach having its pros and cons.
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Hi Jeff,
What Jaap probably was curious about, and it's quite relevant if that was his motivation for asking, is how much loss is involved with resampling (still bicubic?) compared to the real thing, optical data. It would most certainly be interesting for some people to actually see what the compromise amounts to, and if it therefore is a usable alternative.
Hi Bart,
You are right, I am looking for a T/S lens to pair with my D800. The new Samyang/Rokinon 24mm T/S seems interesting. From that perspective ;) I am interested to find out what the capabilities of Upright are in architectural imaging as opposed to traditional optical methods. Obviously I have to do my own testing and maybe both methods can even complement each other, but first I will sit back and watch Chicago being Uprighted.
On the other hand, Upright can also provide results (in terms of scene content) that would have been hard to get directly via an optical system.
Hi Eric,
Thanks for the pointer, makes sense as we are seeing more and more image adaptive processing. Still I 'd like to see a side by side Upright and T/S (and HDR and stitching in LR ;D)
Jaap
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There is always going to be some loss of resolution resampling image data (or preservation of detail along with artifacts).
Hi Eric,
Yes, I know it is somewhat inevitable, but the choice of resampling algorithm does make a difference. As an example we can get an idea about the aliasing effects of a few different algorithms shown here (http://pixinsight.com/doc/docs/InterpolationAlgorithms/InterpolationAlgorithms.html#__section004__).
On the other hand, Upright can also provide results (in terms of scene content) that would have been hard to get directly via an optical system.
I'm not sure what you are referring to.
So it is a tradeoff, with each approach having its pros and cons.
Indeed, and there is a place for both. I think it is useful to know the limitations of each option when we still have a choice.
Cheers,
Bart
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If the sensor is e.g. 4000x5000 sensels, and the geometry of the scene means that you can effectively use only 2500 sensels in the top and 5000 sensels along the bottom, then you will never regain that information in an image scaler. A T/S-lense, however, may ideally be able to employ all available pixels, if its distortion maps exactly to the distortion that you need to do?
For some of us, the cost/flexibility of software may make it the only option.
For others, IQ concerns or the feeling of doing things in the field (rather than in front of a computer) may make a T/S lense worth it.
I am more interested in a T/S lense for what it does that cannot (practically) be done with single-image image-processing: tilting and "beating" diffraction limits.
-h
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Cat...thanks. I was trying to explain this relating to 10.7 being "better" than 10.6.x and why LR5 dropped 10.6.x because the OS level services...and yes, there's a LOT of under the hood stuff that Apple moved from 10.6.8 to 10.7.5. The 64-bit libraries and the low level OS services are significant improvements for recent Mac CPUs...
Thanks Jeff and Cat -
This was the sort of info I was looking for. I'm not against change per se, but want a good reason for doing so. If moving to 10.8 has actual benefits insofar as working with LR5, then I'm prepared to move my anticipated upgrade to sooner rather than later. Thinking about picking up the 10.8.4 download to check out on my i7 MBP.
Not a complete Luddite, got my first DOS machine in early the 90s and my first Apple was a IIcx with a 24" Rasterops CRT running OS7. The first new Mac was a G3 Yosemite with the matching monitor, right after it was introduced. From there it was a G4 tower and LCD, Cube, variety of Minis and iMacs, laptops, and a MP Quad. Have performed all repairs myself and have upgraded everything from CPUs on down. My first digital camera was purchased in 1999.
SC
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This was the sort of info I was looking for. I'm not against change per se, but want a good reason for doing so. If moving to 10.8 has actual benefits insofar as working with LR5, then I'm prepared to move my anticipated upgrade to sooner rather than later. Thinking about picking up the 10.8.4 download to check out on my i7 MBP.
The biggest reason to upgrade your OS (if you don't really care about the shiny new end-user features) is when the applications you rely on require you to upgrade the OS, honestly. With OS X especially, each of the last 4-5 releases has reworked a number of things under the hood that allow application developers to make better, faster, more stable software. Once developers start leveraging that, they can only support back to the OS version that includes that API.
For developers, they're forced with a choice: If they're to support older OS versions they have to have a more complex code base, and often duplicate a lot of the functionality that Apple offers, or they can just use Apple's APIs and cut off older customers. "Typical" for many developers is to support a couple versions of OS X; some are still supporting 3 (10.8, 10.7, 10.6). With a new version expected to be announced at WWDC I'd expect that more folks will start cutting off 10.6 support over the next few months, as Adobe has done with Lightroom.
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Well, have been trying to download 10.8.3 for over an hour now. Most of that has been just trying to pay for the bloody thing. I haven't purchased anything from Apple in a year or so and this is my first app purchase, seems they don't like that. New corporate culture thrives on complete obedience. Another problem was that I use a password generator, which won't work with Apple. Guess they don't like too much security.
As of now, the itunes store shows the 10.8.3 page with a box under the kitty picture saying "downloading". There's no temp file on the desktop or any other indication that anything is happening. Usually a pane pops up showing progress during a download.
Yep, it just gets easier and better all the time.
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Well, have been trying to download 10.8.3 for over an hour now. Most of that has been just trying to pay for the bloody thing. I haven't purchased anything from Apple in a year or so and this is my first app purchase, seems they don't like that. New corporate culture thrives on complete obedience. Another problem was that I use a password generator, which won't work with Apple. Guess they don't like too much security.
As of now, the itunes store shows the 10.8.3 page with a box under the kitty picture saying "downloading". There's no temp file on the desktop or any other indication that anything is happening. Usually a pane pops up showing progress during a download.
Yep, it just gets easier and better all the time.
Why this rant? Because you had to pay for an upgrade even if you managed to pay nothing in more than a year?
I may be useful to stress that OS X is the cheapest upgrade among the non open source OS's. Did you know that?
1) Apple takes security seriously. Every password generation field has a key on the side, which open a password generation app. Plus OS X/iOS support 1Password which is THE ecosystem to manage passwords and private data. What are you talking about?
2) Under App Store app you can see the progress for each downloaded app. OS's too.
3) There is a temp file, obviously, and you can have another progress indication opening Launchpad. Both visual and textual.
"New corporate culture thrives on complete obedience."
Was this rant worth it? ::)
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Was this rant worth it? ::)
No....
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If I save DNG Smart Previews is there any benefit in having larger than Minimal previews on import?
I don't use 1:1 Previews on import to save disk space (>200GB of images). Lr 5 seems to load quickly
from the lossy DNGs.
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Smart previews and those minimal previews do separate things. The smart previews become useful only once the originals are unavailable.
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If I save DNG Smart Previews is there any benefit in having larger than Minimal previews on import?
I don't use 1:1 Previews on import to save disk space (>200GB of images). Lr 5 seems to load quickly
from the lossy DNGs.
1:1 previews are -the- way to quickly compare shots by keeping the sharpest ones. Rendered JPG versions, fully baked, for viewing only.
Smart Previews are mean to work quickly and/or in offline mode. They are a midpoint between a Raw and a JPG, lower res, meant for editing.
Minimal previews are good to actually show something on Grid view, but as soon as you'll be starting any edit, Lightroom will generate a standard preview no matter what.
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Minimal previews are good to actually show something on Grid view, but as soon as you'll be starting any edit....
What about 1:1 in Library?
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What about 1:1 in Library?
Andrew, can't understand what are you asking me
Paolo